Emily’s NEW positivity and being nice to each other thread

[Djmac1031]

I know I kinda threw gasoline on fire, but I'd like to hope this thread can continue in the spirit of positivity and support that it was intended for.

People make mistakes. I don't wish for my personal mistake to ruin things for anyone else.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Seems like maybe that was the spat of censored posts between O and that DD guy, over his usual plagiarism schtick?

Laurel has reopened the thread. We can agree or disagree with criticism, but as writers, we should all support and encourage it.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I know I kinda threw gasoline on fire, but I'd like to hope this thread can continue in the spirit of positivity and support that it was intended for.

People make mistakes. I don't wish for my personal mistake to ruin things for anyone else.

DJ, the issue is neither you nor Emily. It is overzealous moderation, and it has been resolved. A positive outcome for everyone, in my opinion

 

[AwkwardlySet]

DJ, the issue is neither you nor Emily. It is overzealous moderation, and it has been resolved. A positive outcome for everyone, in my opinion

I was going to say the same. It's the umpteenth time that a mod locks the topic because one or two people resort to name-calling and personal attacks. Some moderation in moderation is needed.

 

[Bamagan]

DJ, the issue is neither you nor Emily. It is overzealous moderation, and it has been resolved. A positive outcome for everyone, in my opinion

I'm not sure it's fair to characterize it as overzealous to pause something while taking the time to go back and investigate the cause of the kerfuffle so things can't continue to escalate (or at least not as easily). It's not like they were likely monitoring things in real time across multiple threads and forums, so it would take a little while to sort things out and see what the real issue was. Now, if they'd left the thread locked, I'd be on board with calling that overreacting, perhaps.
But I don't really have a dog in the race, I suppose. I just hope this one doesn't get locked.

 

[SimonDoom]

I was going to say the same. It's the umpteenth time that a mod locks the topic because one or two people resort to name-calling and personal attacks. Some moderation in moderation is needed.

I completely agree. There's been too much of this. The appropriate thing is for the moderator to send warning to the individuals at fault, delete their posts if they violate rules, but not make the rest of the thread contributors bear the penalty by having their thread shut down.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I'm not sure it's fair to characterize it as overzealous to pause something while taking the time to go back and investigate the cause of the kerfuffle so things can't continue to escalate (or at least not as easily). It's not like they were likely monitoring things in real time across multiple threads and forums, so it would take a little while to sort things out and see what the real issue was. Now, if they'd left the thread locked, I'd be on board with calling that overreacting, perhaps.
But I don't really have a dog in the race, I suppose. I just hope this one doesn't get locked.

There may be an example in Lit history where a thread was put on pause for some sort of cooling off period. I have never seen it happen, and if it were to happen, I would expect the moderator to post a notice explaining the situation.

There was nothing to investigate. A known troll came into a thread that had been running for four years and had almost a thousand posts, nearly all very substantive discussion, and made personal attacks on other posters.In my opinion, locking the thread rather than just dealing with the troll is overzealous.

The fact that Laurel unlocked the thread almost immediately after it was brought to her attention would lead me to believe she shared my opinion.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I completely agree. There's been too much of this. The appropriate thing is for the moderator to send warning to the individuals at fault, delete their posts if they violate rules, but not make the rest of the thread contributors bear the penalty by having their thread shut down.

I don't think it was a knee jerk reaction at all. The Feedback Forum moderator, Sammuel Bard, has always taken a very light touch.

I think it was a deliberate STOP sign to the community, saying, if you lot can't behave like adults and self moderate, you're all shut down for a day, knowing the lock can be lifted.

It's not the umpteenth time as AwkwardlySet seems to think - moderator involvement in the Feedback Forum and the AH is rarely needed (or done quietly), because on the whole we are civil to each other.

Yes, there are occasions when someone comes in with their own agenda and a can of gasoline - this was one of those times, and it took off like a scrub fire, but quickly got hosed down (within thirty-six hours). And if people missed it in real time, please don't ask for an autopsy. Those who saw it happen know what happened, it doesn't need to be made into a movie.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

Just me, but I'm kind of thinking it might be in all our best interest to let sleeping dogs lie and move on...

 

[Bamagan]

Just me, but I'm kind of thinking it might be in all our best interest to let sleeping dogs lie and move on...

Agreed. Back to basics.
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[StillStunned]

Agreed. Back to basics.

Yes, when was the last time we had a redhead to admire?

 

[AwkwardlySet]

It's not the umpteenth time as AwkwardlySet seems to think

It IS the umpteenth time, although the thread-locking has mostly been happening in AH. To me, there is no distinction between SF and AH in this particular sense. The criteria should be uniform across all the forums and not dependent on the zealotry of any particular mod.
I know your automatic reaction is always to defend the website but I'd say you have already forgotten several instances where many people expressed their displeasure at certain topics being closed just because few people couldn't help resorting to personal attacks. Deleting problematic posts, issuing warnings, and eventually even banning in case of repeated offenses, should be the way to handle those situations, not locking whole threads like we were a bunch of unruly children being punished by their parents by their toys being taken from all of them.

 

[KeithD]

I seemed to have missed something. Carry on.

I did too. But some review brought it up.

 

[KeithD]

DJ, the issue is neither you nor Emily. It is overzealous moderation, and it has been resolved. A positive outcome for everyone, in my opinion

I think the problem is overzealous, undertrained reviewing (and maybe that those requesting review that results in torching should be delivered the opinion privately) added to too much willingness to accept critique from those who don't know any more about the discipline than you do--that goes for both volunteer reviewers and editors here. It's OK to get more opinions but the opinions should be taken with a bucket of salt.

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

Agreed. Back to basics.
https://unipelfurs.com/c1/img/e3b1124442f1057fe1ed2568ea3d0d93.gif

Thanks for trying...

 

[ShelbyDawn57]

Yes, when was the last time we had a redhead to admire?

And maybe clean things up a bit at the same time... View attachment 2305672

 

[KeithD]

Well, OK, then. A note of appreciation to Duleigh for so quickly and seamlessly picking up from Ogg on showcasing in active threads the various contests/exercises running.

 

[djrip]

And maybe clean things up a bit at the same time... View attachment 2305672

Sudzy

 

[AchtungNight]

The founder of this thread left Lit recently over negativity. I say we keep the positivity going even without her if we can. Good vibes to every person here, author and fan. Peace and blessings in the new year. And may the trolls be denied any lasting victories. Amen.

 

[UnquietDreams]

Will you stop this nonsense, Little Nerd? Speaking from a standpoint of an experienced teacher, I can tell you that this statement is a load of crap. Whatever your present skill level is (I honestly have no idea), you can get good in time and with the right mindset. Both of us have been at this for a little more than a year. It is ridiculous to think that a person can become a good writer in that time period, all the while having a proper day job and whatnot else. Talent plays a role, I guess, but same as everything else, becoming a good writer requires time and hard work.

There is only one advice I would like to give you, once again, from the standpoint of a teacher with experience. People here like you in general, myself included, so they are unlikely to give you some honest truth in this particular sense. It is easier just to shower praise and I understand that. This is a fun place. But if you truly want to improve faster, find someone whose critical opinion you trust, and who is WILLING to be brutally honest with you and then heed his/her advice. The same goes for me and every other writer-beginner on this board.

I just want to agree wholeheartedly on this one. I have been lucky to find an editor willing to work with me here who I love and hate in equal portions, like every great editor I have had, and when he points out something that makes no sense, I sometimes even agree. I usually change it, but I sometimes even agree that it should be changed as well. It is nice to have someone I trust to call me on it when I get too clever for my own good.

So bless the editors, universe!

 

[UnquietDreams]

Nah, it just needs more beavers.

See, that's what I'm here for. Just when things get a little too insufferably hi-falutin', I'll bring us crashing refreshingly right back down into the gutter.

I like the gutter -- it is nice and warm, and you meet the most interesting people.

 

[onehitwanda]

I like the gutter -- it is nice and warm, and you meet the most interesting people.

The thing is, even if you're in the gutter, you can always roll onto your back and stare up at the stars.

 

[Nerdyjerkoff]

I hope everyone had a great week and are looking forward to a better weekend

 

[UnquietDreams]

The thing is, even if you're in the gutter, you can always roll onto your back and stare up at the stars.

I have found that when I am on my back, I invariably like the view.

 

[StillStunned]

The thing is, even if you're in the gutter, you can always roll onto your back and stare up at the stars.

Where I come from, if you're lying face up in the gutter, you'd better keep your eyes shut. Mouth too.