Evil fantasies that I wouldn't really want to act out but give me a twisted thrill

[FurryFury]

This isn't an evil fantasy, just a comment on Evil. Emotional murder is eviler to me than physical murder. <snip>

The victim can recover from emotional murder though and as far as we know can't from physical murder.

Just for you, I may have to work it up and really write it now

Yay!!!

I like it when folks do things just for me! I love stories and I love words!

so...
since we've all done it. we're all a bit evil.

'xactly so!

But I swear I tried to do everything to prevent it from happening and the ones who hearts I supposedly broke insisted on going there anyway.

Fury

 

[snowy ciara]

The victim can recover from emotional murder though and as far as we know can't from physical murder.

Not all the time. Some don't recover.

 

[FurryFury]

Not all the time. Some don't recover.

I know but still, there is the possibility.

Fury

 

[Pure]

beach boy, evil goeff, o'mac,

great postings,

one doesn't see them much. it's good that you both recognize them as fantasies and admit the turn on of the fantasy.

notice that as soon as fantasy is mentioned someone always says, "but that--the act in the fantasy-- really IS evil,' and perhaps adds, 'you shouldn't be thinking it 'cuz maybe you'll do it.' or maybe adds, 'you shouldn't write that up because it might encourage someone.'

in the last exchange, rather than talking of fantasy, the posters are discussing actual physical murder vs. actual 'emotional murder.' it's perfectly valid topic, and they make some good points; but it's somewhat tagential to the thread topic.

 

[Beach Boy]

.............

 

[O'Mac]

Not all the time. Some don't recover.

Yeah, but there are far better odds of recovering from an emotional trauma than having a person shrugging off a slight case of DEATH.

 

[Jailhouse]

Yeah, but there are far better odds of recovering from an emotional trauma than having a person shrugging off a slight case of DEATH.

Then how do you explain the fact that people try to kill themselves just to escape the pain of a broken heart?

 

[O'Mac]

Then how do you explain the fact that people try to kill themselves just to escape the pain of a broken heart?

I wasn't aware there was a 100% success rate on that.

 

[Jailhouse]

I wasn't aware there was a 100% success rate on that.

Well, I know that more people would tell you they'd rather be dead than have a broken heart.

 

[O'Mac]

Well, I know that more people would tell you they'd rather be dead than have a broken heart.

Are they all involved in a drama production?

 

[Jailhouse]

Are they all involved in a dram production?

Yeah, ok. I get where this is going. Nevermind.

 

[O'Mac]

Fixed the spelling, it makes sense now.

But seriously, I can't think of one person I know who's been so affected by a break-up that they considered suicide or anything like that. The people I do know who have attempted suicide have done so do to clinical despression brought on by legitimate mental illness such as S.A.D. or whatever.

 

[lne_iii]

Not all the time. Some don't recover.

Exactly.

 

[Guest]

great postings,

one doesn't see them much. it's good that you both recognize them as fantasies and admit the turn on of the fantasy.

notice that as soon as fantasy is mentioned someone always says, "but that--the act in the fantasy-- really IS evil,' and perhaps adds, 'you shouldn't be thinking it 'cuz maybe you'll do it.' or maybe adds, 'you shouldn't write that up because it might encourage someone.'

in the last exchange, rather than talking of fantasy, the posters are discussing actual physical murder vs. actual 'emotional murder.' it's perfectly valid topic, and they make some good points; but it's somewhat tagential to the thread topic.

Excellent post, Pure.

This is a fantasy thread.

People are expressing their fantasies. These aren't things they'll be out doing tonight. This shouldn't be a discussion of morals.

I certainly wouldn't want people to dissect my fantasies in the way it is being done here.

But why is he using handcuffs? Doesn't that bother you? I thought you were a strong female? And what happens if your child cries in the crib? Will he let you go to get them? And what happens if you get hungry? What if there is a flood? A hurricane? A tornado????

These are just personal fantasies. As macabre as some of these may seem to some people, they are just naughty and impure thoughts.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Then how do you explain the fact that people try to kill themselves just to escape the pain of a broken heart?

I was going to go on a rather lengthy rant over this but I'll break it down to this:

Yes, a broken heart hurts. So does a broken leg. If a person is healthy and get the right treatment, they ought to survive either. If they don't, something else was going on. Sorry if my attitude offends anyone, but I'm a social Darwinist. If someone removes themselves from the gene pool over a broken heart, I'm not going to offer a whole lot of sympathy.

YIK,
- Geoff

 

[FurryFury]

Then how do you explain the fact that people try to kill themselves just to escape the pain of a broken heart?

I'd explain it as stupid and/or selfish.

 

[O'Mac]

Yes, a broken heart hurts. So does a broken leg. If a person is healthy and get the right treatment, they ought to survive either. If they don't, something else was going on. Sorry if my attitude offends anyone, but I'm a social Darwinist. If someone removes themselves from the gene pool over a broken heart, I'm not going to offer a whole lot of sympathy.

How come you can get away with saying that and I can't.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

How come you can get away with saying that and I can't.

Because I'm EVIL Geoff.... BWAAHAHAHAHahahahah!

And I'm cute and fuzzy-wuzzy and I'm an adorable teddy bear.

With sharp nasty teeth and pointy claws.

 

[O'Mac]

Because I'm EVIL Geoff.... BWAAHAHAHAHahahahah!

And I'm cute and fuzzy-wuzzy and I'm an adorable teddy bear.

With sharp nasty teeth and pointy claws.

Touche.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Then how do you explain the fact that people try to kill themselves just to escape the pain of a broken heart?

I would think of it as someone in a lot of pain, more than they can handle at the time for whatever reason. I never have been able to see suicide or attempted suicide as a reason to harden against or ridicule someone, nor the popular notion it is an attention seeking exercise, and since my own father's suicide (which to a large degree I believe came down to a broken and trampled heart over several decades) I see it even less so as being any of the negative above. I guess for those who have never experienced such pain, or were in the fortunate position to have support or be able to manage, it will never make sense...the point is, people who do get to this point of no return are obviously not in the same frame of mind or emotional well being position of those who don't, otherwise they wouldn't do it would they?

It seems these days, people don't have time to have compassion for others or attempt to relate in some way, but expect to be understood and treated with respect themselves. It really doesn't cost anything to feel. It is easy to look down on and feel superior to others when you yourself are in a privileged/strong position...how do people know they will never be the one in need themselves? Stranger things have happened and often these things are not controllable or predictable...look at 9/11 for one example...fine and happy with a life one minute, world destroyed the next. Reality is just because we live in a middle class (or other) world, have a good support system, good health, doesn't mean everyone does, nor that it is necessarily their fault if the moment something major goes wrong they are in a flux of illness or less support than usual....go to a counsellor? ...again an option not available to all people for economic or accessability issues. The world is not so black and white.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

I've wanted to kill myself before. I wasn't selfish, stupid, sick (or perhaps, courageous) enough to do it.

I've known people who did kill themselves. In one case my main reaction other than anger was, at least he didn't try to take anyone else with him. None of these cases was only over a broken heart, however.

I love people who say "God doesn't give us more than we can handle." Yeah. Right.

I'm sorry to hear of your loss Cat. Men do tend to be more decisive and "successful" when feeling suicidal due somewhat to preferred method.

I've had a suicidal mother for over a decade now and many friends off and on, most of whom have not actually succeeded. In many cases I have seen it as a call for attention. I don't take it lightly. I try to help them without getting back to that dark place myself.

Still it absolutely does anger me and I see it as selfish because when I was that way, granted I may not have had the level of metal illness they do/did, I stopped because I didn't want to hurt them but they didn't stop out of love for me. Then again as I said above I could just have been too much of a coward as well.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I've wanted to kill myself before. I wasn't selfish, stupid, sick (or perhaps, courageous) enough to do it.

I've known people who did kill themselves. In one case my main reaction other than anger was, at least he didn't try to take anyone else with him. None of these cases was only over a broken heart, however.

I love people who say "God doesn't give us more than we can handle." Yeah. Right.

My point exactly...someone who says they have not ever tried it because of xy or z, basically was not in the same place as the person who has so cannot use it as a reliable measure of whether it is a seemingly valid option or not for someone else. If they were exactly the same, if they had the same emotions and conditions, if they were at the same point where suicide seemed the only ption they also would have done it because when something seems to be the only option, that is exactly what it is in that moment in time. Interestingly, most successful suicides are committed by people on the upward swing, not crawling in the depths they were...it takes energy to suicide, so there are pluses to hitting rock bottom, just not always coming back up.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Still it absolutely does anger me and I see it as selfish because when I was that way, granted I may not have had the level of metal illness they do/did, I stopped because I didn't want to hurt them but they didn't stop out of love for me. Then again as I said above I could just have been too much of a coward as well.

FF, what you are missing is when someone gets to that point, not only are they unable to think of saving themselves for someone elses benefit, but they often feel it would be better for everyone if they didn't. You did not reach that point otherwise you would not have been able to rationalise those thoughts and consider anyone else. I don't believe it is selfish, it is just a moment when it seems all that can be done. Isn't it just as selfish to feel they owed it to us to remain alive and in whatever pain they were in just so we didn't feel any pain? How do you measure whose pain is worse, more important, if not through recognising the ultimate outcome rendered by that pain?

Catalina

 

[Pure]

hi cat,

why not split this thread into two: its fantasy and its broken heart component?

 

[FurryFury]

FF, what you are missing is when someone gets to that point, not only are they unable to think of saving themselves for someone elses benefit, but they often feel it would be better for everyone if they didn't. You did not reach that point otherwise you would not have been able to rationalise those thoughts and consider anyone else. I don't believe it is selfish, it is just a moment when it seems all that can be done. Isn't it just as selfish to feel they owed it to us to remain alive and in whatever pain they were in just so we didn't feel any pain? How do you measure whose pain is worse, more important, if not through recognising the ultimate outcome rendered by that pain?

Catalina

*nods*

I see what you mean.

Fury