female circumcision (for subs)
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somberReality
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Wow, someone thinking of removing her clit? OUCH
Just a note, women can orgasm with the G-spot as well as the clit, and some with other things/places as well. So removing said clit wouldn't take ALL sexual pleasure away.
Just a note, women can orgasm with the G-spot as well as the clit, and some with other things/places as well. So removing said clit wouldn't take ALL sexual pleasure away.
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It would appear that multiple people have misinterpreted me, so clearly the fault is mine for being too vague.
Having your ovaries removed won't kill you. It won't. If it did, my mom would have died over 15 years ago. And despite Catalina's long-professed hatred of modern medicine, issues that are brought up by the removal of ovaries can usually be managed in a way that allows the woman to live a full, healthy life.
So that is really all I meant. No, having your ovaries removed will not kill you. Perhaps the fault is once again mine, if I misinterpreted the initial statement about what "detrimental to your health" meant. I suppose I took it a little too far.
Pure, I apologize for the "misguided" comment. I re-read both our posts, and I think I had forgotten what this thread was about. I was approaching the topic from a perspective of body modification for its own sake, rather than to have the intent of destroying sexual desire. You're right that if you leave the ovaries intact (and if there's nothing wrong with them, you damn well better be) the woman's sexual desire is not reduced, only how easily she can achieve orgasm. Take away a man's testicles, though, and he simply isn't as interested anymore, which is why some people advocate for castration of sexual predators. (Usually chemical, of course, not nut-chopping!) From an aesthetic point of view, though, chopping off all the outer girl bits has the same visual effect as chopping off all the outer boy bits, and looking at the pictures made me all drooly and I was thinking of the aesthetics. Again, my apologies.
Perhaps an interesting addition to the conversation is discussion of spinal cord injuries. In most cases, someone who loses sensation in their genitals can re-learn to be sexual in other ways. What's to say that cutting off a clitoris or penis (not balls) would keep a submissive from becoming a nipple-touch girl like Quint mentioned?
So in the end I think Pure has hit the nail on the head. (Again, my apologies.) Taking away a clitoris doesn't reduce sexual desire as the thread was originally about. It just makes it harder to achieve, or redirects it.
Having your ovaries removed won't kill you. It won't. If it did, my mom would have died over 15 years ago. And despite Catalina's long-professed hatred of modern medicine, issues that are brought up by the removal of ovaries can usually be managed in a way that allows the woman to live a full, healthy life.
So that is really all I meant. No, having your ovaries removed will not kill you. Perhaps the fault is once again mine, if I misinterpreted the initial statement about what "detrimental to your health" meant. I suppose I took it a little too far.
Pure, I apologize for the "misguided" comment. I re-read both our posts, and I think I had forgotten what this thread was about. I was approaching the topic from a perspective of body modification for its own sake, rather than to have the intent of destroying sexual desire. You're right that if you leave the ovaries intact (and if there's nothing wrong with them, you damn well better be) the woman's sexual desire is not reduced, only how easily she can achieve orgasm. Take away a man's testicles, though, and he simply isn't as interested anymore, which is why some people advocate for castration of sexual predators. (Usually chemical, of course, not nut-chopping!) From an aesthetic point of view, though, chopping off all the outer girl bits has the same visual effect as chopping off all the outer boy bits, and looking at the pictures made me all drooly and I was thinking of the aesthetics. Again, my apologies.
Perhaps an interesting addition to the conversation is discussion of spinal cord injuries. In most cases, someone who loses sensation in their genitals can re-learn to be sexual in other ways. What's to say that cutting off a clitoris or penis (not balls) would keep a submissive from becoming a nipple-touch girl like Quint mentioned?
So in the end I think Pure has hit the nail on the head. (Again, my apologies.) Taking away a clitoris doesn't reduce sexual desire as the thread was originally about. It just makes it harder to achieve, or redirects it.
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i heard that people can still orgasm after severe spinal injury, through genital stimulation. the genital feelings weren't there but the orgasmic rush was.
it was always assumed not and wasn't studied until very recently.
waaaay off topic but i'll see if i can find the study.
it was always assumed not and wasn't studied until very recently.
waaaay off topic but i'll see if i can find the study.
catalina_francisco
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Etoile said:
Sheesh, I don't have a hatred of modern medicine, but I also do not worship it and submit to what a doctor tells me just because they are a doctor. Experience has taught me and many people I know that having Doctor before your name does not mean you are doing the best for your patient, nor that you necessarily know what you are talking about....I believe in asking questions, researching the area, and then making my decision about what is best for my body and as I have been told by more than 1 or 2 doctors I have more than enough intelligence and common sense to assess the situation safely, I don't hesitate to be proactive about my own health. LOL, we even came across a doctor recently who claimed it was impossible to get arthritis in the knees...obviously he doesn't know much despite being qualified in western medicine.
And while having your ovaries removed might not kill you then and there (if you are lucky), it may not fix the problem (as happened with my sister), and the HRT necessary to deal with the imbalance created by their removal can lead to side effects such as cancer, heart attacks and strokes which very well may kill you. If it isn't necessary to save your life, my thoughts are don't do it simply because it is a popular form of treatment at this time which even medical authorities are now stating has been abused and overused when unnecessary. I've had enough operations to not want any which are unnecessary.
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Man, I am on a roll today! Lots of misunderstandings and misstatements and misdirected emails and all kinds of crap. I blame it on getting about 1hr of sleep last night, and that was in bursts of 5 to 15 mins over the entire nighttime. Yeowch! I'm on the way to visit C now, I'm going to walk in eir door and collapse snoring I think.
Please forgive me Catalina, because I seriously honestly meant to say distrust. I wrote that post about three times, and it still didn't come out 100% right. I genuinely meant distrust and not hatred. The former was definitely more accurate (yes?) but the latter is what came out.
Please forgive me Catalina, because I seriously honestly meant to say distrust. I wrote that post about three times, and it still didn't come out 100% right. I genuinely meant distrust and not hatred. The former was definitely more accurate (yes?) but the latter is what came out.
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"circumcision" is a misnomer
Cliteredectomy should be called female castration , which would be a great deal more accurate. Circumcision, as with the removal of a portion of the foreskin in traditional male rituals under Judaic law, alters but does not fundamentally alter function. Castration, on the other hand, both male and female, alters form and function.
Also, I'm always suspicious of these fantasies. I've read plenty of castration fantasy, both male and female, and they tend to forget that fantasy and reality live not counties but continents apart. What sounds like a nice idea in misty watercolored brain ramblings is a far cry from living with a permanent, and irreversible, reality.
JMO, YMMV
RS
Cliteredectomy should be called female castration , which would be a great deal more accurate. Circumcision, as with the removal of a portion of the foreskin in traditional male rituals under Judaic law, alters but does not fundamentally alter function. Castration, on the other hand, both male and female, alters form and function.
Also, I'm always suspicious of these fantasies. I've read plenty of castration fantasy, both male and female, and they tend to forget that fantasy and reality live not counties but continents apart. What sounds like a nice idea in misty watercolored brain ramblings is a far cry from living with a permanent, and irreversible, reality.
JMO, YMMV
RS
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Etoile said:
LOL, don't sweat it (I wasn't offended as it seemed strange)...we all have days like that...hope yours gets better and you catch some shuteye.
Catalina
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AM I alone in thinking that such a thing is not just a way to submit to a master? I have read up on the subject and found it to be a form of torture. Women have had terrible problems afterwards aswwell. See here:
http://www.collegeresearch.us/show_essay/6243.html
Am i thinking of something else or is this really what u are talking about, but just the downside?
http://www.collegeresearch.us/show_essay/6243.html
Am i thinking of something else or is this really what u are talking about, but just the downside?
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Have you read the whole thread? We've already gone over the "is this FGM" debate in great detail. FGM is a ritual practice in certain cultures. This thread is more about the erotic practice. Yes, same physical result, but entirely different reasons. The OP was posting about it from an erotic perspective, not the cultural perspective. The conversation, however, has gone into definitions of "circumcision" and whether or not this is FGM.X_fallenangel_X said:
