femsubs & Humiliation/Degradation play

[Technodivinitas]

Based on yours,

i don't have a King high straight flush ...

i take it you've called?

~nervously chews her lower lip~

Ci'. (But I'm still not clear on the wager... which makes it all that much more intriguing to the insatiable technocat!)

 

[AngelicAssassin]

You lose ...

Glides back up the mountain ... and none shall pass

 

[Technodivinitas]

He taunts me. I like that.

~curls up in the valley, dark dreams happily refreshed.~

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Topic...

 

[Phoenix Stone]

Bad kitty.

Cardsharps taking the smart, shiny new rube in town for a ride. Does anyone warn them? Nooooo.... Would they take heed?

Jeez, I feel like Rosalind Russell, sitting on the bar, in one o' them luscious, green ballgowns (pardon the pun), one shoulder bar, just a filing my nails, and looking at the new girl, standing there with her sweet little mouth hanging open wondering what just happened.... You got took, gal. Join the club. Go powder yer nose, then haul them bags up to the room. When you finish unpacking, come down and tell the barkeep your drink is on Stoney.

And Welcome to SinCity, doll.

 

[Kajira Callista]

lol callista warned in a different thread...somewhere else.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Negative

... You got took, gal ...

She got served. Brings all kinds of layers to the conversation now, doesn't it.

i don't take anything that doesn't belong to me.

 

[Technodivinitas]

Oh now, hush, y'all!

I'm no fool- I saw the warnings, and played anyhoo. Mainly because the man has a way with words, and can't say I don't enjoy watching what he does with mine.

You can draw me out any time you like, AA. Ah'll be your Huckleberry, damned straight. Humiliation or no, I do so love to dance.

 

[bridgeburner]

Telliing my dh that he can do things to me like fuck me when I'm sleeping or just come right up to me when I'm doing something and put his hand down my pants or shirt feels like it's in this category. Especially if he does it while looking me seriously, calmly, right in the eyes.

Now that's just fucking hot. My only difference would be that I think it's sweatier if he doesn't really acknowledge me. The nearly distracted gesture as if he's thinking "Gee, I'd really like the feel of some titty in my hand right now while I'm totally engrossed in my book or basketball game or conversation or whatever." Rather like you would scratch an itch or hustle balls for comfort without giving it much thought.

I don't find that humiliating, though.


I'm not sure how I feel about things that I really do find humiliating. Some of them would likely crush me totally but I can't deny that there's a draw as well ----- not to things that would crush me but to things that press and challenge.

I've always had an attraction to boys who teased me. I blush easily. I'm chock-full o'shame and embarassment easily tapped by these types. I find the exchanges exhilarating and thrilling and definitely hot but only to a certain point. If in the end it comes down to the fact that he truly finds me worthless, disgusting or pathetic then that's not only not fun and not sexy but pretty soul crushing.

If a guy wants to play that rough with me he can do it once and then he's 86ed. If I suspect he's going to go that far I'll cut him off sooner. I have a hard time judging who's playing for fun and who's playing for blood, though.

If I were smart I'd stay away from it entirely. Or perhaps it's not a matter of smart and stupid. Some things are just hard-wired.

So I answered "Please don't go there.....it hurts too much," but what I really mean is "careful, careful, this may be more volatile than you think."


-B

 

[Technodivinitas]

bb...

Is it the objectivization of that which brings the hot tinglies? That's how it works for me. I saw an image once of a Dom leaning against a wall, leafing through a magazine, his sub on her knees with her face stuffed, and he's got one boot tucked on toe across the other as if she's not even there. You might not consider that humiliation, but that's precisely the trigger it trips in me.

bb's post brought something to my mind that only slightly relates. (Completely on-topic, though. )

Those who've said they dig the raunch & humiliation, OR that it turns them on but also freaks them out, etc... Do you fantasize about much much deeper shames and depths than you believe that you could handle in R/l, or things that while you might be able to handle them, they'd harm you too much, physically?

The one that's dancing gruesomely at the edge of my mind, for example, is the nc gangbang, or as the bikers put it, pulling a train. It's wretched and loathesome, but my brain just goes there, whether I want it to or not. (Lots of stuff in my head that I sometimes wish wasn't, but it makes me virtually unshockable, so that's a plus, I guess)

My Master keeps an eye on my smutfiles for my latest deep deviations, and uses them against me (happily) by applying them as threats, or simply suggesting he might take me there. The scariest thing about that of course, is that when he says he might take me to those dark places, I honestly believe that I'd let him! (Stuff that I'd be hard pressed to admit even in this open a sounding board...)

 

[Technodivinitas]

Oh- and a slightly off topic, but relevant question for Tops/Males...

That train thing... It seems, just judging by how much porn's available in that vein, that a lot of men, Tops or otherwise, find it enormously hot. What I don't get is the before & after factor. They find it hot to imagine a woman in that position, and yet, consider it completely normal to kick a woman who's been through that to the curb when it's over and brand her too filthy for a skanky bum. Is that part of what makes it hot? The disposability factor?

 

[cellis]

I like this thread... I like a lot of things... I like being played with in public and being made (as if!) to expose myself. I like the idea of being caught with no panties on... lol and everything else that falls into the catagory.

I am not much on name calling... but if it floats a boat, I will deal with it. As a switch on the other hand I like calling the names... go figure! I like to play with "my" nasty little slut....

I like the verbage that goes with some humiliating things that I don't want to necessarily experience but I love hearing some of those scenes described.

I lilke being forced... to a degree... Oh and at times I like being without choices... I like it when they are made for me...

I am not sure if I have answered the question...

 

[Technodivinitas]

I'd say...

that as a Switch, it sounds as if you're more than one foot inside the pro-humiliation circle. (And any second now AA's going to jump on the pro-conotations, huhn. )

I like this thread... I like a lot of things... I like being played with in public and being made (as if!) to expose myself. I like the idea of being caught with no panties on... lol and everything else that falls into the catagory.

I am not much on name calling... but if it floats a boat, I will deal with it. As a switch on the other hand I like calling the names... go figure! I like to play with "my" nasty little slut....

I like the verbage that goes with some humiliating things that I don't want to necessarily experience but I love hearing some of those scenes described.

I lilke being forced... to a degree... Oh and at times I like being without choices... I like it when they are made for me...

I am not sure if I have answered the question...

But that verbal/namecalling thing... It almost seems like it's a completely separate category. IF I were a Top, I'm pretty sure I'd get a huge kick out of exploring exactly which names and words triggered a response from my sub... it's SOOO subjective!

I used to feel that the word "cock" was acceptable/sexy/hot, but the word "dick" was juvenile and bland. (Still feel that way about breast-nicks: Tits=hot, Boobs/boobies=not.) Having not used the word "dick" much in my life though, it's taken on a warm liveliness it never used to have.

For some, "slut" is nothing, but "whore" is unbearable.

Maybe part of what makes Vh appealing from a Top standpoint is
it's easy accessability and adaptability. When I imagine Topping, Verbal is almost always the first weapon in my arsenal.

 

[bridgeburner]

Is it the objectivization of that which brings the hot tinglies?

It must. It plays a huge part in my stroke fodder. Of course, it's also comforting to me because it means that I can experience and even participate but still remain a bit removed. I'm there but I don't have to be all the way there in an acknowledgeable fashion. I both crave and fear that intimacy.

Do you fantasize about much much deeper shames and depths than you believe that you could handle in R/l, or things that while you might be able to handle them, they'd harm you too much, physically?

Funny, my first thought was pulling trains and being prostituted. The idea is hot as shit but apart from the physical realities which might be hard to endure, my main concern is exactly what you mentioned: There are plenty of guys who can fuck you and still respect you in the morning, but it is far rarer to find a guy who can watch a bunch of his buddies or even strangers fuck you and still respect you in the morning EVEN if you did it at his suggestion.

The scariest thing about that of course, is that when he says he might take me to those dark places, I honestly believe that I'd let him! (Stuff that I'd be hard pressed to admit even in this open a sounding board...)

Ah, there's the rub. I can imagine allowing myself to be pushed to some pretty extreme ends so long as I could trust that I wouldn't be pushed beyond the bounds of recovery in the eyes of the pusher. Frex, the gang-bang scenario ---- I could probably do it but only if I knew it wouldn't diminish me in the eyes of the man who asked me to. Even reining it in to a single other outside person --- I could do it and willingly if asked, but it would require knowing that the asker was self-aware enough to know it wouldn't bother him later.

Some people feel that the more they give away the use of a thing the more it shows their ownership of it. Other people feel like the more outside use a thing gets the less interested they are in claiming it or even having anything to do with it --- not unlike a public toilet.

Is that part of what makes it hot? The disposability factor?

Not for me. That's the part that makes it horrid although when I play it in my fantasies that's one of the major taunts used --- how the woman's lover will respond to the knowledge that she's been had by this bunch of other men. Sometimes the man is present and made to watch. Sometimes he's asked it of her. It's not hot at all for me to imagine him shunning her because of it, though. I want him to think it's hot however much sympathy he might have for the fact that she has to endure it.



-B

 

[bridgeburner]

Cellis,

I like being played with in public and being made (as if!) to expose myself. I like the idea of being caught with no panties on... lol and everything else that falls into the catagory.

I find all of that stimulating in theory, but when I think about the reality of it I start to get kind of particular.

I don't find it sexy to see some guy walking around the park with his hand stuffed in his girlfriend's ass pocket or anyone playing a prolonged round of tonsil-hockey in a bar --- unless that's the whole point of the bar which is another thing entirely.

Getting felt up just out of sight of others or minimally below the radar ---that's hot. Flashing glimpses of naughtiness that make people wonder if they saw them or not or even arranging for only one person to really catch an eyefull equally yummy. Designated audiences are hot. Slobbering PDAs are just low rent.

Tacky and crass are major turn-ons for some but I'm kind of a snob about that stuff. There's got to be some finesse about the exposure.


-B

 

[Phoenix Stone]

Re: Oh now, hush, y'all! OT

I'm no fool- I saw the warnings, and played anyhoo. Mainly because the man has a way with words, and can't say I don't enjoy watching what he does with mine.

You can draw me out any time you like, AA. Ah'll be your Huckleberry, damned straight. Humiliation or no, I do so love to dance.

(whine) Oh Techno, I really Wanna see myself as Rosalind Russell, the older and wiser subby in town -- cant I, Huh? You were Marilyn Monroe, I think, in corkscrew blonde curls and a hat with frills and feathers, falling over your forehead. You're standing there in your fuschia and puce fancy-lady gown, practically falling out of the top -- with that innocent, bewildered but sexy look on your face, while the slim bad man in black (you can tell by the black hat) glides from the bar. And you just Know things are going to start to get interesting around here.... (Hmm, bdsm in the Old West, whaddaya think? Or at least that make-believe movie old west.)

Oh we can play it with you more vixen-ish and knowing if you like. Mesmerized by the snakecharmer, and such.

Ps. if there was a tone to the post, it probably had something to do with still being a little 'hmmphy' about that jump off a bump I got on the previous page.

And I Sooooo don't think you're anybody's fool.

edited to add: I LOOOVE the thread topic and will be back to add after taking kids swimming. Sorry for the hijack.

 

[Technodivinitas]

Re: Re: Oh now, hush, y'all!

(whine) Oh Techno, I really Wanna see myself as Rosalind Russell, the older and wiser subby in town -- cant I, Huh? You were Marilyn Monroe, I think, in corkscrew blonde curls and a hat with frills and feathers, falling over your forehead. You're standing there in your fuschia and puce fancy-lady gown, practically falling out of the top -- with that innocent, bewildered but sexy look on your face, while the slim bad man in black (you can tell by the black hat) glides from the bar. And you just Know things are going to start to get interesting around here.... (Hmm, bdsm in the Old West, whaddaya think? Or at least that make-believe movie old west.)

Oh we can play it with you more vixen-ish and knowing if you like. Mesmerized by the snakecharmer, and such.

Ps. if there was a tone to the post, it probably had something to do with still being a little 'hmmphy' about that jump off a bump I got on the previous page.

And I Sooooo don't think you're anybody's fool.

Thank you! I think...
Jump off a bump?
PS baffles me...
But I'd soooo rather be the innocent newbie! It's happy Roleplay for me. I so miss those days when everything we did was a first time, and a revelation!

 

[bridgeburner]

so miss those days when everything we did was a first time, and a revelation!

Don't fret. You get them back when you're 80.


-B

 

[AngelicAssassin]

You rang?

... while the slim bad man in black (you can tell by the black hat) glides from the bar. And you just Know things are going to start to get interesting around here.... (Hmm, bdsm in the Old West, whaddaya think?)

 

[Technodivinitas]

Heheh-

Have I mentioned that you're unbearably cool at times, AA?
Oh yes. I'd definitely play that game.

 

[Phoenix Stone]

Re: Re: Re: Oh now, hush, y'all!

Thank you! I think...

You're welcome. And sweet and smart and terrific.

Jump off a bump?
PS baffles me...

Oopsy. AA told me to jump off a bump. (or something like that.) Not You! I was feeling a little confused and cranky myself, so it gave that post some sort of displaced undertone. Hey, I even baffle myself sometimes. And PLEASE tell me if you feel like I insult you or something, as it was likely a misunderstanding.

But I'd soooo rather be the innocent newbie! It's happy Roleplay for me. I so miss those days when everything we did was a first time, and a revelation!

Yeah, that was where i was trying to go with it.
I could play the cynical hardened but sexy older sister type. Guess that should have been saloon, not bar. And you still haven't told me your drink?

(Don't worry, if it's lemonade, it's sure to get a slug of gin. You know -- you get to be the lil sweetheart rube who takes a big gulp and has a coughing fit, while the old cowboys laugh at their tables, while enjoying the view of all that shaking bosom. I smirk, then relent and then pat the bar, gesturing you up to a stool to tell Auntie all about it. A couple of nearby ranchhands guffaw and make ribald comments about my self-label, then quickly cover their mouths when I shoot them a look. You wriggle up onto the barstool, earning you several more furtive glances and some ardent ass-watchers at tables behind you that you can't see. Then take out a hankie to tell Sal all about your hardluck tale and how you landed in this tough little town, a delicate city flower like you. )

Gotta go job hunt but PRomise, I Really want to respond to all those great posts from cellis and bb and all.

 

[Phoenix Stone]

Re: You rang?

OH, yessssss....

You here to Serve again, Suh?

 

[AngelicAssassin]

Re: Re: You rang?

OH, yessssss....

You here to Serve again, Suh?

Based on your first comment, i already did.

Enjoy the day ladies.

 

[shy slave]

Re: Re: Oh now, hush, y'all! OT

(whine) Oh Techno, I really Wanna see myself as Rosalind Russell, the older and wiser subby in town -- cant I, Huh? You were Marilyn Monroe, I think, in corkscrew blonde curls and a hat with frills and feathers, falling over your forehead. You're standing there in your fuschia and puce fancy-lady gown, practically falling out of the top -- with that innocent, bewildered but sexy look on your face, while the slim bad man in black (you can tell by the black hat) glides from the bar. And you just Know things are going to start to get interesting around here.... (Hmm, bdsm in the Old West, whaddaya think? Or at least that make-believe movie old west.)

Oh we can play it with you more vixen-ish and knowing if you like. Mesmerized by the snakecharmer, and such.

Ps. if there was a tone to the post, it probably had something to do with still being a little 'hmmphy' about that jump off a bump I got on the previous page.

And I Sooooo don't think you're anybody's fool.

edited to add: I LOOOVE the thread topic and will be back to add after taking kids swimming. Sorry for the hijack.

Hey I missed all the fun *stamps foot, twice and glares at the other two* I wanna be Scarlett O'Hara, you know the stuck up bitch who knows everything and nothing. Plus she likes playing with fire so that makes AA in his black hat mine all mine!!*Walks away, tosses head in the air at Rosalind Russell & Marilyn Monroe* Slides up to AA looking who is still looking cool in the hat bats eyelashes and waits for the flames to start

 

[Phoenix Stone]

Now that's just fucking hot. My only difference would be that I think it's sweatier if he doesn't really acknowledge me. The nearly distracted gesture as if he's thinking "Gee, I'd really like the feel of some titty in my hand right now while I'm totally engrossed in my book or basketball game or conversation or whatever." Rather like you would scratch an itch or hustle balls for comfort without giving it much thought.

I don't find that humiliating, though.

That's how it works for me in fantasies. Either a stranger doing something matter-of-factly and w/o looking, or a boss for instance, again, calmly matter-of-factly and brooking no objection. A fave is when she is bent over already for some other reason. Lots of scenarios. I usually work it so that it becomes more and more embarrassing to her. Initially, perhaps she pretends like nothing is happening to hide it from others. Eventually he makes it obvious, or she finds out that the others knew what was going on all along.

With my husband, it's more kind of embarrassing. Depends on how he does it. So much is intent and what he's reminding me of. For instance reminding me that he can, that I like it and then if I get excited, saying 'that's all slavegirl,' dismissing me and walking away. (Hey, you gotta understand that I even find it a little embarrassing that I like his nice shoulder muscles because, well, to like such things is lowbrow according to how I was raised, and seems kinda well, non-feminist.) I enjoy as an exercise in exposure, vulnerability and humiliation, being confronted with the things I'd rather not admit I enjoy.

 

[Netzach]

Cellis,



I find all of that stimulating in theory, but when I think about the reality of it I start to get kind of particular.

I don't find it sexy to see some guy walking around the park with his hand stuffed in his girlfriend's ass pocket or anyone playing a prolonged round of tonsil-hockey in a bar --- unless that's the whole point of the bar which is another thing entirely.

Getting felt up just out of sight of others or minimally below the radar ---that's hot. Flashing glimpses of naughtiness that make people wonder if they saw them or not or even arranging for only one person to really catch an eyefull equally yummy. Designated audiences are hot. Slobbering PDAs are just low rent.

Tacky and crass are major turn-ons for some but I'm kind of a snob about that stuff. There's got to be some finesse about the exposure.


-B

I knew I loved you.

~(Daintily degrading motherfucker)