For Incest authors...all.

[KeithD]

I'm not enough of a Trekkie to argue on this, but that universe is at least marginally better than Star Wars. Still I think there was too much of a leap of faith, leaving the most important stop out. I won't pretend it's the best allegory either, but I will make such a random claim nevertheless: good incest should be like classic Alien, on believably scale: the fogging helmets and all.

A universe without seatbelts? That's all I brought up. Seatbelts. They didn't have them in Star Trek. They regularly bounced all over the cabin and it didn't dawn on them for their full run that they needed seatbelts.

 

[LupusDei]

A universe without seatbelts? That's all I brought up. Seatbelts. They didn't have them in Star Trek. They regularly bounced all over the cabin and it didn't dawn on them for their full run that they needed seatbelts.

Good point. Very good point, lol.

However, consistent with what I said.

All that despite them having cellphones way before the thing.

 

[Hypoxia]

People survived without seatbelts, cellphones, The Pill, antibiotics, and Moog synths for a long long time. Native peoples lived on USA southwestern deserts for millennia without ever encountering toxic McFood or socialist Wally's. Yeah, lots of stuff is modern. Incest is ancient, old enough for strong taboos. Incest has no seatbelts. Hang on, Dad!

 

[KeithD]

People survived without seatbelts, cellphones, The Pill, antibiotics, and Moog synths for a long long time. Native peoples lived on USA southwestern deserts for millennia without ever encountering toxic McFood or socialist Wally's. Yeah, lots of stuff is modern. Incest is ancient, old enough for strong taboos. Incest has no seatbelts. Hang on, Dad!

Not that that has any relevance.

 

[turek]

I think it was the great physicist Doc Brown who said there were no roads in the future

 

[SimonDoom]

The idea of Star Trek with seat belts is a hoot. That wouldn't have been any fun.

And I think the Star Trek/seat belt example well illustrates the point: the end game is fun, not realism. You only want enough realism to lend the story verisimilitude. Incest at Literotica is, by and large, a fantasy category. My incest stories are fantasy stories. I try to insert just enough resistance, reluctance, taboo, etc., etc. to envelope the reader into the world I've created. Maybe it doesn't work for some, but judging from comments I get it works for many. It's enough for me. I don't expect too much realism in incest stories.

 

[KeithD]

The idea of Star Trek with seat belts is a hoot. That wouldn't have been any fun.

And I think the Star Trek/seat belt example well illustrates the point: the end game is fun, not realism. You only want enough realism to lend the story verisimilitude. Incest at Literotica is, by and large, a fantasy category. My incest stories are fantasy stories. I try to insert just enough resistance, reluctance, taboo, etc., etc. to envelope the reader into the world I've created. Maybe it doesn't work for some, but judging from comments I get it works for many. It's enough for me. I don't expect too much realism in incest stories.

Yes and yes.

 

[Naughty_Mommie]

I’m working in publishing some incest related stories, and I think this thread has been very informative. I’ll be following.

 

[Valint]

And I think the Star Trek/seat belt example well illustrates the point: the end game is fun, not realism. You only want enough realism to lend the story verisimilitude.

I'd perhaps draw a distinction between incest romance and incest porn. I would think that an author would want more realism in a story that's about an incestuous relationship, as opposed to a story that's just about incestuous sex.

A few stories that I think do a good job including the trials and tribulations of an incestuous relationship rather than just focusing on the fantasy:

• BiscuitHammer's Alex & Alexa (aunt/nephew)
• fsqueeze's Honest-Honest (m/f cousins)
• JustAnotherMarylander's Mike & Savy (half-brother/sister)
• Rob_mDear's Mouse (brother/sister, later in life)
• M_StoryMan_X's A Cousin's Reunion: (cousins, both as young adults and later in life)

 

[nickydra]

Hi folks. My first ever post!

I've been looking at the threads for some time now but this one is what's drawn me actually to register and reply.

Like a lot of women, I used to think that incest seemed to be a strictly male 'thinking province' - I couldn't see the attraction. Then one day everything seemed to click and fall into place for me. It suddenly struck me how supremely toe-curling it was for this taboo to be breached.

I do have a question, though.

As a secret writer (for my own amusement) I find it difficult to picture a sexual liaison starting between family members along anything like 'classical lines' - let's face it, we're not really talking about boy-meets-girl, right? No dates, no candle-lit dinners, no holiday flings.

My take on it then for the purpose of genuine story writing (as opposed to the pathetic porn word pictures which have been mentioned) is that we're left EITHER with some kind of spontaneously arising situation which throws characters together OR pre-meditation, i.e. planning on the part of someone.

I would guess that non-con comes into this latter category quite commonly.

Can anyone suggest any other way in which the build up to incest could occur? I'm not looking for a specific story idea as such, but for a more general 'principle'. The other day on a different website someone suggest to me the 'estranged' family concept, e.g. absentee parents and their children could meet unwittingly and likewise separated siblings. I believe this has been known to happen in real life and there is this a well-known phenomenon called genetic sexual attraction.

Anything else..? And specifically where family members are definitely not estranged..??

I'd be grateful for any thoughts, possibly by PM.

 

[BigMadStork]

Hi folks. My first ever post!

... Can anyone suggest any other way in which the build up to incest could occur? ...

I'd be grateful for any thoughts, possibly by PM.

I don't this is going to work for you. Many of the suggestions you will get are what others have done already. Look at your surroundings at work and when you are out. Watch people. My first story "Patty's Eyes", which I misspelled the title, was based on seeing a mother/daughter at dinner in a restaurant looking sad. That turned into a story about a girl with cancer that I breathe life into. All of my stories are like that. However, don't read my stories for realism, I don't write that way. Real life is too boring for my tastes, I like a good story.

Write what you like, the rest will come and you will improve. I suggest walking around a mall, a park, or anyplace with a large amount of people. There are lots of fascinating people out there. While looking at them, make up their life history. You won't always get good stories but it is kind of fun.

 

[grishlol456]

Hi folks. My first ever post!

I've been looking at the threads for some time now but this one is what's drawn me actually to register and reply.

Like a lot of women, I used to think that incest seemed to be a strictly male 'thinking province' - I couldn't see the attraction. Then one day everything seemed to click and fall into place for me. It suddenly struck me how supremely toe-curling it was for this taboo to be breached.

I do have a question, though.

As a secret writer (for my own amusement) I find it difficult to picture a sexual liaison starting between family members along anything like 'classical lines' - let's face it, we're not really talking about boy-meets-girl, right? No dates, no candle-lit dinners, no holiday flings.

My take on it then for the purpose of genuine story writing (as opposed to the pathetic porn word pictures which have been mentioned) is that we're left EITHER with some kind of spontaneously arising situation which throws characters together OR pre-meditation, i.e. planning on the part of someone.

I would guess that non-con comes into this latter category quite commonly.

Can anyone suggest any other way in which the build up to incest could occur? I'm not looking for a specific story idea as such, but for a more general 'principle'. The other day on a different website someone suggest to me the 'estranged' family concept, e.g. absentee parents and their children could meet unwittingly and likewise separated siblings. I believe this has been known to happen in real life and there is this a well-known phenomenon called genetic sexual attraction.

Anything else..? And specifically where family members are definitely not estranged..??

I'd be grateful for any thoughts, possibly by PM.

One trope that works quite well is basically dependency, to generalize it. Be it that either people are all that each of them have (A Vision of God is a pretty good example of that), or where one person is at least implied to be sort of dependent on the other, but not necessarily literally so (Izzy and Me is a pretty good example of that). I tend to find that there's some amount of "realistic" emotional depth there, insofar as that's possible at least.

Other than that, you've got the "boiling frog" situation, where it begins gradually with some kind of borderline innocent impetus, and sort of ramps up over time.

 

[Hypoxia]

Can anyone suggest any other way in which the build up to incest could occur?

I usually try to devise triggers plausible to me and hopefully others.

* Long separation. They didn't know their kinship when they fucked.
* Some trauma requires getting naked and close; sex follows.
* Guilt+atonement, or deep gratitude, or demons drove them to it.
* Some comedy of errors, often fueled by drink, drugs, or dreams.
* A general cop-out: it's a tradition in their sub-subculture.

I usually don't have kin plot to fuck kin (except an aunt who's always wanted a nephew). You want something other than "some kind of spontaneously arising situation which throws characters together" and I guess some of my triggers apply, but I've never put Mom or Sis or Aunty in Sonny's lap whilst in loose shorts in the back seat. Mom and Sonny and Sis naked in the backyard sprinkler, sure, but it was a hot day, and Dad had been gone so long...

 

[LupusDei]

I do have a question, though.

As a secret writer (for my own amusement) I find it difficult to picture a sexual liaison starting between family members along anything like 'classical lines' - let's face it, we're not really talking about boy-meets-girl, right? No dates, no candle-lit dinners, no holiday flings.

My take on it then for the purpose of genuine story writing (as opposed to the pathetic porn word pictures which have been mentioned) is that we're left EITHER with some kind of spontaneously arising situation which throws characters together OR pre-meditation, i.e. planning on the part of someone.

I would guess that non-con comes into this latter category quite commonly.

Can anyone suggest any other way in which the build up to incest could occur? I'm not looking for a specific story idea as such, but for a more general 'principle'. The other day on a different website someone suggest to me the 'estranged' family concept, e.g. absentee parents and their children could meet unwittingly and likewise separated siblings. I believe this has been known to happen in real life and there is this a well-known phenomenon called genetic sexual attraction.

Anything else..? And specifically where family members are definitely not estranged..??

I'd be grateful for any thoughts, possibly by PM.

To me there are two equally significant aspects in defining taboo of incestuous relationship:
1) blood relation (moral, religious, essentially biological reasoning);
2) forced co-habitation (ethical reasoning, inability to determine consent).

The (1) usually steals all the flashlight, but to me it is essentially the (2) what make the attraction to feel wrong. In an exaggerated sense (many will protest) any relationship where roommates or, in extreme case, bedmates status is NOT a free will choice that could be easily denied AND predates romantic attraction, that attraction, once recognized, already has taboo angle at least close to incestuous.

Without (2) being the active issue, all the boy-meets-girl scenarios can come in play. Any childhood friends story can easily be converted, even the dating and holiday flings aren't off scale, if the siblings aren't co-habiting for any number of reasons.

With (2) in play, it becomes the subtle but essential non-con angle that drive the relationship. Note that both may be equally 'victims' in this, and even gravitate on that very thing.

Siblings can be roommates since forever and have no secrets, nudity and increased level of intimacy naturally accepted. Sexual overtones can creep in easily, experimentation, consolation, training...

Emotional expressions can be easily misinterpreted: what for one is just cosiness may be seen as affection by the other, casually ignorant convenience mistook for active seduction, even jealousness and possessiveness reinterpreted as love, by one or both.

Scope creep or acquired taste: boy had a summer fling with twice-removed second cousin, then set his sights for the first cousin, but midway there discovered his own sister; or it was sister's BFF he started to date, only to discover that she's more than just BFF for his sis, still eventually he gets between them, literally, in bed.

Mom and Sonny and Sis naked in the backyard sprinkler, sure, but it was a hot day...

For all its cliché, I think this situation is a good midway point in many cases, provided you can find justification that exceeds simple casual nudism as local normal.

For just a quick example:
- Mom doesn't see anything wrong, nothing sexual, just fun and convenience;
- Sister enjoy the trill of wrongdoing;
- Son, despite being the youngest and most dependent, has dreamed about this day for years, and carefully nudged the others.

 

[nickydra]

Write what you like, the rest will come and you will improve. I suggest walking around a mall, a park, or anyplace with a large amount of people. There are lots of fascinating people out there. While looking at them, make up their life history. You won't always get good stories but it is kind of fun.

Yes and I think this is as good a 'suggestion' as any. It's what I already do, in fact, although so far I've written a scant few stories on the theme. I used to neglect this looking-at-people source but I've come to realise that it can provide quite a bit of inspiration.

I'm a frequent traveller on the London tube and often see total strangers sitting next to each other, staring at their phones or papers and without the slightest connection with each other... and proceed to imagine what they might be getting up to together - that they might have some secret involvement.
I'm glad they never look up and see the amusement written on my face!

I do the same for the people at my work, although actually knowing something about the back stories in those cases can render fantasising more difficult.

Thank you to people who have given ideas so far. It's not actually concrete scenarios I'm looking for, more a kind of general (or generic) dynamic or driving motivation.

In that sense, Lupus, I like your thought of 'acquired taste' or compulsion. That one hadn't occurred to me.

 

[Hypoxia]

Mom and Sonny and Sis naked in the backyard sprinkler, sure, but it was a hot day...

For all its cliché, I think this situation is a good midway point in many cases, provided you can find justification that exceeds simple casual nudism as local normal.

Here is how it worked out in three 1-page episodes, one per POV. I hope the trigger is plausible enough.

 

[SimonDoom]

Can anyone suggest any other way in which the build up to incest could occur? I'm not looking for a specific story idea as such, but for a more general 'principle'.

My own two cents is that you should avoid looking for "general principles." The possibilities for incest, as for any other subject of fiction, are limited only by imagination.

I think a more fruitful approach is to look at how other authors actually do it, as opposed to looking for general principles. Two very popular authors who mine this terrain successfully are Lovecraft and Heyall. They are two of the most popular authors on this site, for good reason. Both write many incest stories. Lovecraft specializes in longer stories with more extensive buildup and solid character development. Heyall is the master of the 2- to 3-page story that brings mom and son together quickly, usually through a daft and contrived but still clever and entertaining conceit. They represent different approaches to the same subject, but both have a good feel for storytelling. I think my incest stories fall somewhere between their two approaches, although I'm not nearly as prolific and don't have as many followers.

So, my advice is, if you want an answer to your question, don't ask, but read instead. You'll find the answer to your question more effectively that way.

 

[TabooSappho]

It's not actually concrete scenarios I'm looking for, more a kind of general (or generic) dynamic or driving motivation.

I started a thread recently, about 'realistic' incest stories. When I say realistic, I mean something similiar to what you are saying. When you have a story with good motivation and development of the characters.
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1497510

I think there are a lot of plausible storylines, you just need to write them well

On the serious note, I'll try to exclude all of the mind-control, rape, blackmail and other similar types of scenarios. For me, a good incest story has genuine characters who have consensual sex because they developed attraction. Also, they need to live together, because 'separated on the birth' scenarios or 'coming back home after 15 years' scenarios somehow lose the taboo moment of the story.

Perfect example for me is https://www.literotica.com/s/mom-will-do-anything-ch-01 and https://www.literotica.com/s/mom-will-do-anything-ch-02 by Lovecraft68.

Plausible driving motivations:

- They kind of have to have sex, like in the Lovecraft68's story. They need money, but they are actually against this idea in the beggining. Slowly, they start to look at eachother in a different light and start being turned on by the other person.

- Outside factor. I had this girlfriend and we found out that we are both turned on by incest. Of course, neither of us wanted to do anything with our families. Then I met her mom who was smoking hot. My biggest turn on is m/d incest, so naturally I started developing my imagination. I was very open with this girl, so I felt free to talk to her about that. She never looked her mom that way before and nothing ever even came close to happening between two of them, but we had a bunch of really hot sessions fantasizing about her mom and she. In fiction, it is easy to imagine how the things could have developed further.

- Some incident where one person sees other in the sexual way for the first time. That's why I don't mind stories where moms and sisters look like pornstars. Let's be real, it is more plausible to be attracted to hot brother or cousin than to some who's not hot. If son has hot mom and he sees her masturbating or having sex with another woman, he might develop something. This is by far the most popular scenario in incest fiction, but majority of times it is written really poor. Like, they immediately start fucking after the incident. I think it is popular because it is most plausible scenario. That's why you need to be careful while writing it. Maybe don't start with someone seeing family member this way, maybe start with someone obsessed with incest porn, but disgusted by idea of actually doing it. Then, the thoughts start to creep in, his sister is dressing really provocatively, her brother is hitting the gym and all the girls are drooling after him... you get the idea...

- They are isolated for the longer period. All the stories on the cruises, in the mountain cabins, even when someone is injured (or in house arrest) and is confined to the home. So, they are alone, they don't have anyone to fuck, they don't even have some good material for masturbation, and what do they do?

- When the characters are in a really unusual surroundings. All the stories with mardi grass, summer vacations where they realize they are in swingers resort, I even found one where mom finds a job which organizes crazy sex parties and son accidentally, through his girlfriend, ends up there. It is similar to the first concept where 'they have to have sex' only here they don't really have to do that, they just follow the craziness of the place and situation.

- This is maybe too specific, but the scenarios which involve mom who starts feeling like she is too old and not attractive. Son or daughter (or both) start doing things to make her feel young and attractive again, but the things get out of the control.

I'm starting to be too specific and not writing about general dynamic, so I'll stop here. The point is, the key to all of these scenarios is good character development, with natural reactions of all of the participants.

 

[nickydra]

I started a thread recently, about 'realistic' incest stories. When I say realistic, I mean something similiar to what you are saying. When you have a story with good motivation and development of the characters.
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1497510

I think there are a lot of plausible storylines, you just need to write them well

On the serious note, I'll try to exclude all of the mind-control, rape, blackmail and other similar types of scenarios. For me, a good incest story has genuine characters who have consensual sex because they developed attraction. Also, they need to live together, because 'separated on the birth' scenarios or 'coming back home after 15 years' scenarios somehow lose the taboo moment of the story.

Perfect example for me is https://www.literotica.com/s/mom-will-do-anything-ch-01 and https://www.literotica.com/s/mom-will-do-anything-ch-02 by Lovecraft68.

Plausible driving motivations:

- They kind of have to have sex, like in the Lovecraft68's story. They need money, but they are actually against this idea in the beggining. Slowly, they start to look at eachother in a different light and start being turned on by the other person.

- Outside factor. I had this girlfriend and we found out that we are both turned on by incest. Of course, neither of us wanted to do anything with our families. Then I met her mom who was smoking hot. My biggest turn on is m/d incest, so naturally I started developing my imagination. I was very open with this girl, so I felt free to talk to her about that. She never looked her mom that way before and nothing ever even came close to happening between two of them, but we had a bunch of really hot sessions fantasizing about her mom and she. In fiction, it is easy to imagine how the things could have developed further.

- Some incident where one person sees other in the sexual way for the first time. That's why I don't mind stories where moms and sisters look like pornstars. Let's be real, it is more plausible to be attracted to hot brother or cousin than to some who's not hot. If son has hot mom and he sees her masturbating or having sex with another woman, he might develop something. This is by far the most popular scenario in incest fiction, but majority of times it is written really poor. Like, they immediately start fucking after the incident. I think it is popular because it is most plausible scenario. That's why you need to be careful while writing it. Maybe don't start with someone seeing family member this way, maybe start with someone obsessed with incest porn, but disgusted by idea of actually doing it. Then, the thoughts start to creep in, his sister is dressing really provocatively, her brother is hitting the gym and all the girls are drooling after him... you get the idea...

- They are isolated for the longer period. All the stories on the cruises, in the mountain cabins, even when someone is injured (or in house arrest) and is confined to the home. So, they are alone, they don't have anyone to fuck, they don't even have some good material for masturbation, and what do they do?

- When the characters are in a really unusual surroundings. All the stories with mardi grass, summer vacations where they realize they are in swingers resort, I even found one where mom finds a job which organizes crazy sex parties and son accidentally, through his girlfriend, ends up there. It is similar to the first concept where 'they have to have sex' only here they don't really have to do that, they just follow the craziness of the place and situation.

- This is maybe too specific, but the scenarios which involve mom who starts feeling like she is too old and not attractive. Son or daughter (or both) start doing things to make her feel young and attractive again, but the things get out of the control.

I'm starting to be too specific and not writing about general dynamic, so I'll stop here. The point is, the key to all of these scenarios is good character development, with natural reactions of all of the participants.

Ok, thank you for that. Much appreciated. I value it all but particularly the 'isolation' idea which I hadn't considered previously. Thinking about it has put me in mind of one of my efforts already written where isolation is indeed a driving force... although not perhaps in the physical/geographical sense in which you intend it.

I'll certainly store that one up for the future.

 

[Hypoxia]

What is realistic?

My episodes where demons make kids and parents fuck, or mom fucks sonny's ghost, sure aren't. My tales where parent and child don't know their kinship, probably are. My stories where parent and offspring MUST be in close naked contact, with sex ensuing, are borderline. The rest are fantasies stained with plausibility or reeking of parody. But I avoid cheap shots and cartoon tropes.

Real incest sucks. This is LIT fantasyland. Whew.

 

[AwkwardMD]

https://www.literotica.com/s/folie-a-deux

Realism that doesn't interfere.

 

[MagnusRhodes]

https://www.literotica.com/s/folie-a-deux

Realism that doesn't interfere.

Any chance you'll share an actual opinion on this topic instead of a link? I like your writing a whole lot, but you did call me an asshole in a thread where I was attempting to provoke a discussion like the one happening here. Call me curious.

 

[nickydra]

Start a discussion about realism and you will lose the vast majority of Lit membership, it seems to me, both readers and 'authors'. What seems to count as 'erotic' for them is a simple description of fucking. No need for convincing detail or plausible plot development.

It would be nice to think that a fairly specific theme like incest would give rise to some engrossing, imaginative stories which draw you in... but no, all that happens is that 'Susan' and 'Steve' get changed to 'daughter' and 'dad'...

 

[AwkwardMD]

Any chance you'll share an actual opinion on this topic instead of a link? I like your writing a whole lot, but you did call me an asshole in a thread where I was attempting to provoke a discussion like the one happening here. Call me curious.

Sure.

Incest, as a very taboo kink, hinges on 'getting away with it'. There needs to be risk involved. The tension is not derived from being related so much as the generalized intimacy of family. 'Yes, my brother and I are close and that has lead to complications, but I'm also close with Mom and Dad and they'll know something is wrong if I suddenly pull away.' Families are, more often than not, close-knit.

That closeness is a double-edged sword too, because it means explaining 'how the protagonists get away with it' has an added difficulty level many times greater than a normal romance. In most erotic writing, having compelling and muanced characters is enough to carry an otherwise-bland story, but with Incest that's less true. Now you need to keep the risk high, constantly, and in close proximity while constantly creating new ways for the characters to get around it.


EDIT: Incestuous potential love interests are some of the least acceptable and difficult-to-attain love interests. Within the context of the story, no one is rooting for them. They won't have help. They have to hide their feelings, and the only other person they can talk to about it is each other. Risk requires consequences and, in incest, consequences require the threat of discovery.

If you can pull off all of those elements AND write sex that is hot on its own AND make characters with depth, that's a winning recipe.

 

[Momsbigbooty]

Short

Short and sweet and a big booty. Also some ladies like anal. #analstays