For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[Rightguide]

The guy changed the rules so he could run as many times as he wants and jails or kills opposition.

I understand he's popular, but he's a dictator who should've been term limited from office long ago and his poll numbers are boosted when people who don't like him are dead or in jail

I agree. But it isn't up to us, is it? The Russian people will be the judge. We have to understand "they are not like us." Their history is a chronicle of the acceptance of rule by strong authoritarian figures.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I agree. But it isn't up to us, is it? The Russian people will be the judge. We have to understand "they are not like us." Their history is a chronicle of the acceptance of rule by strong authoritarian figures.

Well you're most likely Russian, so I'd have to defer to you on this.

 

[ll74]

I agree. But it isn't up to us, is it? The Russian people will be the judge. We have to understand "they are not like us." Their history is a chronicle of the acceptance of rule by strong authoritarian figures.

Lol.... Of course. ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯
You're a schmuck.

They don't accept autocratic dictators nor have they truly ever accepted them (or authoritarians as you incorrectly call them) They say the right things because they are jailed or killed if they don't.

They are like us.... Just not free like us.

 

[Rightguide]

Lol.... Of course. ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯
You're a schmuck.

They don't accept autocratic dictators nor have they truly ever accepted them (or authoritarians as you incorrectly call them) They say the right things because they are jailed or killed if they don't.

They are like us.... Just not free like us.

Name a single Russian leader in their history who was not an authoritarian.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You need to learn how to read and respond with specificity.

It was very specific. If you are a patriot you cannot be pissed about us ending wars that were going nowhere and costing us money, lives, and in many cases dividing the country. These things are mutually exclusive. Whether or not you're a tax payer has nothing to do with being upset about about whatever equipment was left behind for whatever reasons. I want to say we know how much money the military wastes but I don't think we have any fucking clue. Speaking as former military I know that we used to routinely waste money on stuff. Everybody had one of those metal open up clipboards with a built in calculator. Why? Because the policy was that if we don't spend our monthly allotment they would start cutting it back. You want to encourage people to be thrifty? A great plan is not "I gave you ten bucks but it only took seven bucks to handle your needs. So here's seven bucks."

Who the fuck cares that China got beat up forty years ago?

Also this whole learn to read and respond held up in the ancient days of Lit. Today it autoquotes when you respond to someone and you can click the quote to go back to each post specific to that back and forth. There is no need to rewrite everything every few pages.

 

[Rightguide]

It was very specific. If you are a patriot you cannot be pissed about us ending wars that were going nowhere and costing us money, lives, and in many cases dividing the country.

I'm not pissed we ended the war. I'm pissed about how we ended the war.

Who the fuck cares that China got beat up forty years ago?

You missed my point.

 

[ll74]

Name a single Russian leader in their history who was not an authoritarian.

And you seem to believe it's because the Russians have a choice.

No wonder you dipshits want an authoritarian President.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm not pissed we ended the war. I'm pissed about how we ended the war.




You missed my point.

There was no real other way to end the wars. All things said the end of the Afghan war was a net win by a lot.

Your point was that leaving equipment behind allowed a small nation to bloody the nose of a large nation that was proving that socialism/communism works just fine. I would expect you to be on your feet cheering the fuck out of that.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Name a single Russian leader in their history who was not an authoritarian.

Yeltsin. He was just a drunk.

 

[Rightguide]

And you seem to believe it's because the Russians have a choice.

No wonder you dipshits want an authoritarian President.

We talking hundreds of years of history, son. They have all been strong authoritarian leaders from the invading Mongol Hords to the Viking chieftains who founded Kievan Rus', and on down:

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_leaders_of_Russia

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They are a people who have historically been ruled. There is little evidence of them rebelling to form a "more perfect union' like we did here. As a political people, they are not the same as us.

 

[ll74]

We talking hundreds of years of history, son. They have all been strong authoritarian leaders from the invading Mongol Hords to the Viking chieftains who founded Kievan Rus', and on down:

ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_leaders_of_Russia

Oh joy..... A "history lesson" because obviously I don't know the history of Russia.

Fuck off. Autocratic dictators don't give citizens a choice.
That's why people are dead, jailed.. etc.
History just shows that centralized power used properly has stamina.

They are a people who have historically been ruled. There is little evidence of them rebelling to form a "more perfect union' like we did here. As a political people, they are not the same as us.

Jfc, you're an idiot.

 

[Rightguide]

Oh joy..... A "history lesson" because obviously I don't know the history of Russia.

Fuck off. Autocratic dictators don't give citizens a choice.
That's why people are dead, jailed.. etc.
History just shows that centralized power used properly has stamina.



Jfc, you're an idiot.

Name one historical leader of Russia who wasn't an authoritarian from the list I provided going back 13 centuries.

 

[Rightguide]

There was no real other way to end the wars. All things said the end of the Afghan war was a net win by a lot.

According to who, Joe Biden?

Your point was that leaving equipment behind allowed a small nation to bloody the nose of a large nation that was proving that socialism/communism works just fine. I would expect you to be on your feet cheering the fuck out of that.

No, I said leaving billions in equipment and allies behind to be subjugated and slaughtered is wasteful, shameful, cowardly.

 

[ll74]

Name one historical leader of Russia who wasn't an authoritarian from the list I provided going back 13 centuries.

Yes, you demonstrate well that you don't fucking get the point.

 

[ll74]

Russians "support Putin".. yep

https://twitter.com/x/status/1768681243502145751

 

[Rightguide]

More bad news for Ukraine:
BUSINESS

The West is underestimating Ukraine’s artillery needs​

Russia is producing far more 152mm shells than Ukrainian forces can obtain, researchers say.​

BY PATRICK TUCKER
SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY EDITOR, DEFENSE ONE
FEBRUARY 22, 2024


Though the United States and European allies have increased production of artillery shells and ammunition in recent months, they still don’t come close to meeting Ukraine’s needs, according to a new paper from the European Council on Foreign Relations.

Ukraine uses a lot of shells simply to hold the territory it has won back from Russia since the start of the 2022 expanded invasion of Ukraine—as many as 6,000 rounds daily. The U.S. and European allies responded by greatly expanding shell manufacturing: they are expected to produce 1.3 million 155mm howitzer rounds this year and more capacity is slated to come online in 2025, wrote the report's authors, who are researchers from Germany.

But Ukraine’s needs are far greater. Last March, Ukraine’s Defense Secretary Oleksij Reznikov said Ukraine needed 356,400 shells a month “for the successful execution of battlefield tasks,” which works out to 11,800 shots per day.

However, an Estonian study from December notes that even those numbers are well below what Russia is capable of producing. “In 2024, production and recovery will increase further and would likely reach up to 4.5 million units. This volume significantly exceeds the amount of artillery ammunition available to Ukraine,” the Estonians note.

More here: https://www.defenseone.com/business...artillery-needs/394392/?oref=d1-earthbox-post

So now that Joe Biden has bluffed his way to the brink of nuclear war with Russia we find ourselves woefully behind Russian weapons production capability. Something I pointed out several months ago.

 

[ll74]

Lol

 

[Rightguide]

Lol

So you think that's funny? The US is only capable at present of producing half of the daily Ukrainian need?

 

[ll74]

So you think that's funny? The US is only capable at present of producing half of the daily Ukrainian need?

Yes, you're comical often.

 

[RandyRebecca]

Biden seems ignorant about how fighting on too many fronts brings down empires. He took the US into a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine, sending ordinary people's bills and everyday essentials soaring in price (especially in Europe and Africa), has backed a continuing ethnic cleansing and genocidal operation in Gaza while also making the electoral interests of Biden and Netanyahu incompatible (thereby causing unprecedented US-Israeli tensions while never intending to do so originally), and there's also the provocations against China over Taiwan in the Far East.

Biden has acted like the US has the global imperial clout of 25 years ago and is exposing the US' limitations in its role of playing global police.

 

[ll74]

Hey, look.... Becky has an opinion.

Wonder if she voted for Putin earlier.

 

[Rightguide]

Ex-CIA director says Russia has broken the stalemate in Ukraine and is 'on the offensive' along the 600-mile war front​

Kwan Wei Kevin Tan
Feb 21, 2024, 7:09 PM PST

The Russians are no longer on the back foot in Ukraine, says former CIA chief Robert Gates.

"A lot of people are referring to the war at this point as a stalemate," Gates told The Washington Post in an interview on Wednesday. "I'm afraid I believe that, at this point, it's actually not so much a stalemate, but that the Russians have regained momentum."

"It's not breakthrough kind of momentum, but it is the sense that they are now the ones pressing the offensive," he continued.

"Everything I'm reading is that the Russians are sort of on the offensive all along at various different places along the 600-mile frontier," Gates told the Post.

More here: https://www.businessinsider.com/rus...n-ukraine-on-offensive-ex-cia-director-2024-2

The fanciful reality created by the Biden-aligned disinformation campaign that has flooded the airways for a year is coming apart.

 

[ll74]

Ex-CIA director says Russia has broken the stalemate in Ukraine and is 'on the offensive' along the 600-mile war front​

Kwan Wei Kevin Tan
Feb 21, 2024, 7:09 PM PST

The Russians are no longer on the back foot in Ukraine, says former CIA chief Robert Gates.

"A lot of people are referring to the war at this point as a stalemate," Gates told The Washington Post in an interview on Wednesday. "I'm afraid I believe that, at this point, it's actually not so much a stalemate, but that the Russians have regained momentum."

"It's not breakthrough kind of momentum, but it is the sense that they are now the ones pressing the offensive," he continued.

"Everything I'm reading is that the Russians are sort of on the offensive all along at various different places along the 600-mile frontier," Gates told the Post.

More here: https://www.businessinsider.com/rus...n-ukraine-on-offensive-ex-cia-director-2024-2

The fanciful reality created by the Biden-aligned disinformation campaign that has flooded the airways for a year is coming apart.

So they are advancing.

To where?

I thought they didn't want more

 

[Rightguide]

So they are advancing.

To where?

I thought they didn't want more

Probably towards the Dnieper River.

 

[ll74]

Probably towards the Dnieper River.

So your assertion that they were fine with what they had was incorrect.

Thanks for confirming.