Founders and Framers on the People's Natural Right to Keep and Bear Arms

[Sean Renaud]

Anybody can solve any problem if given enough time. But the terrorist doesn't have much time. He needs to get through that door fast and preferably surprise the pilots. A locked door could have saved the WTC.



Really? So if the South decided to disregard the constitution too and reinstate slavery, we'd have to accept it as "the privilege of the mob"?

Or sufficient skill. I've met enough locksmiths to know that television is bullshit. Professionals who know what kind of lock they are up against are through it before you can pay attention. And the high jacker has at least until you land, sure they might not hit the high score but they can still get up on the board with any old building.

And yes, if the South decided to disregard the Constutition and reinstate slavery we'd have to accept it as the privelege of the mob. Well what would happen realistically is we'd get into a was (just like last time) and the more effective mob would set the rules moving forward but make no mistake it would still be rule of the mob. Because that's how reality works. The "mob" picks the government and the government picks the laws, rights and priveledges.

 

[islandman]

Owning a gun isn't a right. It's a privilege.

Not according to the Bill of Rights.

For that matter, the Bill says nothing about a drivers' licences, so I think it's safe to assume that that's the privilege.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Not according to the Bill of Rights.

For that matter, the Bill says nothing about a drivers' licences, so I think it's safe to assume that that's the privilege.

Every court says differently.

 

[Ishmael]

Or sufficient skill. I've met enough locksmiths to know that television is bullshit. Professionals who know what kind of lock they are up against are through it before you can pay attention. And the high jacker has at least until you land, sure they might not hit the high score but they can still get up on the board with any old building.

And yes, if the South decided to disregard the Constutition and reinstate slavery we'd have to accept it as the privelege of the mob. Well what would happen realistically is we'd get into a was (just like last time) and the more effective mob would set the rules moving forward but make no mistake it would still be rule of the mob. Because that's how reality works. The "mob" picks the government and the government picks the laws, rights and priveledges.

As soon as you buy in to that notion you have abandoned all thoughts of 'government by the people.'

We were not founded as a democracy but as a republic. The founders abhorred democracy and with good reason.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." B. Franklin

Ishmael

 

[islandman]

Every court says differently.

How did you arrive at this statement?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

How did you arrive at this statement?

If the government can take something away it meets the definition of a privilege.

 

[JohnnySavage]

If the government can take something away it meets the definition of a privilege.

That's stupid, even for you.

The government can take away your life. So living is a privilege?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

That's stupid, even for you.

The government can take away your life. So living is a privilege?

Guess so. Doesn't change the fact that gun ownership is a privilege.

 

[eyer]

Guess so. Doesn't change my fact that gun ownership is a privilege.

Yw...

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yw...

Are you saying that gun ownership can't be taken away?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Owning a gun isn't a right. It's a privilege.

Ok....take it away then

Every court says differently.

Really? Want to point out the ruling where they effectively denied 2A rights to the people?

That's what I thought.

Are you saying that gun ownership can't be taken away?

Fuckin' right.....try it, I triple hot mother fuckin' dog dare anyone to try an disarm Murikuh.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Ok....take it away then



Really? Want to point out the ruling where they effectively denied 2A rights to the people?

That's what I thought.




Fuckin' right.....try it, I triple hot mother fuckin' dog dare anyone to try an disarm Murikuh.

I don't take your gun away. The government does.

Sure. The SCOTUS just turned down hearing a case that would allow minors to own guns. That's millions of law abiding people who won't be allowed to own a gun.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't take your gun away. The government does.

I meant by vote.....vote to come take my guns.

No they don't....the government isn't interested in starting a civil war they can' win politically or through attrition. They want to sell us shit.....and take our money.

Maybe in the future they can pull it off at some point, today? They would lose horribly.

Sure. The SCOTUS just turned down hearing a case that would allow minors to own guns. That's millions of law abiding people who won't be allowed to own a gun.

I asked for an outright denial of 2A to the people.....that means all of them. Not some regulation denying it to a specified segment of the population.

I can go out right now and buy a semi auto .308 battle rifle...oh I'm sorry it had the bayonet lug removed and flash hider upgraded to a muzzle break because the morons in CA don't know what the fuck they are doing when it comes to gun laws....it's a "ranch rifle" LMFAO

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I meant by vote.....vote to come take my guns.

No they don't....the government isn't interested in starting a civil war they can' win politically or through attrition. They want to sell us shit.....and take our money.

Maybe in the future they can pull it off at some point, today? They would lose horribly.



I asked for an outright denial of 2A to the people.....that means all of them. Not some regulation denying it to a specified segment of the population.

I can go out right now and buy a semi auto .308 battle rifle...oh I'm sorry it had the bayonet lug removed and flash hider upgraded to a muzzle break because the morons in CA don't know what the fuck they are doing when it comes to gun laws....it's a "ranch rifle" LMFAO

You miss the point. If someone misbehaves the government can take their gun(s) as a consequence. It therefore meets the definition of a privilege.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You miss the point. If someone misbehaves the government can take their gun(s) as a consequence. It therefore meets the definition of a privilege.

So you're saying there is no such thing as a right, correct?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So you're saying there is no such thing as a right, correct?

I'm saying a right (by definition) can't be taken away. A privilege can.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm saying a right (by definition) can't be taken away. A privilege can.

So you're outright denying the concept of individual rights as being real correct??

You can strip a human being of EVERYTHING and then take their life on top of it all making rights as you're presenting them non existent, correct?

And you can't take my gun, I'll fuckin kill your bitch ass or any other punk ass bitch who tries to make a go for it. So it's a right!!

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So you're outright denying the concept of individual rights as being real correct??

You can strip a human being of EVERYTHING and then take their life on top of it all making rights as you're presenting them non existent, correct?

Nope.

The government can take a life as consequence for one's actions.

 

[phrodeau]

So you're outright denying the concept of individual rights as being real correct??

You can strip a human being of EVERYTHING and then take their life on top of it all making rights as you're presenting them non existent, correct?

And you can't take my gun, I'll fuckin kill your bitch ass or any other punk ass bitch who tries to make a go for it. So it's a right!!

Proof that you aren't mentally qualified to have a gun.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So you're outright denying the concept of individual rights as being real correct??

You can strip a human being of EVERYTHING and then take their life on top of it all making rights as you're presenting them non existent, correct?

And you can't take my gun, I'll fuckin kill your bitch ass or any other punk ass bitch who tries to make a go for it. So it's a right!!

Again, I'm not going to take your gun. The only entity that can legally take your gun is the government.

 

[koalabear]

Again, I'm not going to take your gun. The only entity that can legally take your gun is the government.

Legally of course.

 

[koalabear]

Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argument

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/dear-democratic-gun-control-lobby-how-to-get-better/

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Dear Gun Control Democrats: 6 Ways to Make a Better Argument

http://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/dear-democratic-gun-control-lobby-how-to-get-better/

"I wish I had a dollar for every Democratic politician and commentator that has looked into a television camera over the past few months and said, “No one is trying to take your guns away!”

Didn't the guy you voted for not just talk about taking guns away, but actually sign legislation to take guns away?

 

[koalabear]

"I wish I had a dollar for every Democratic politician and commentator that has looked into a television camera over the past few months and said, “No one is trying to take your guns away!”

Didn't the guy you voted for not just talk about taking guns away, but actually sign legislation to take guns away?

The link is about better arguments, give it a try.

 

[Sean Renaud]

As soon as you buy in to that notion you have abandoned all thoughts of 'government by the people.'

We were not founded as a democracy but as a republic. The founders abhorred democracy and with good reason.

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." B. Franklin

Ishmael

Government by the People is ultimately government by mob, but so is every other form of government. It doesn't matter that we were not founded as a democracy but as a Republic. What exactly were the founding fathers going to do if the majority of Americans at the time had said fuck that we want a democracy, or a monarchy or a dictator ship. Would the handful of Framers have taken on everybody else in the nation single handedly or were they counting on the consent of the governed to go along with their plan.

As for Ben's famous quote I'm not sure how that's not a dictator ship. Two wolves and a lamb with a gun ends with two dead wolves be from being shot or being starved to death and one lamb who runs everything.