Founders and Framers on the People's Natural Right to Keep and Bear Arms

[Ferrumitzal]

Most Intimidating...

Hell, that says it all right there! The author immediately admits that's he's a coward, then goes on to try and justify his position with outlandish examples.

http://jim.com/cowards.htm

 

[StrangeLife]

Armed, Locked and Loaded: The Worst and Most Intimidating Gun States

These are states with the most Wild West gun laws where you are most likely to encounter someone -- anyone -- with a gun: Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana and Mississippi.

It is legal in these states for people with absolutely no training to walk around armed and to carry their guns openly in the streets.

It is legal in these states to bring loaded guns into gambling establishments, sporting events and restaurants that serve alcohol. It is legal in these states to carry weapons into stores and shopping malls, and in some cases even onto college campuses and into bars and houses of worship.

In all of these states, it is legal to shoot first and claim self-defense much the way George Zimmerman did with Trayvon Martin and hundreds of others have done in less publicized cases....

The way it ought to be federally. The states can't be trusted to respect the second amendment and it's very annoying that you have to leave your guns at home when travelling inside the US.

 

[phrodeau]

The way it ought to be federally. The states can't be trusted to respect the second amendment and it's very annoying that you have to leave your guns at home when travelling inside the US.

You could just send them to me. The Second Amendment says that I have the right to bear your arms.

 

[StrangeLife]

You could just send them to me. The Second Amendment says that I have the right to bear your arms.

I'd rather send you one of my kids. Get your credit card ready and hide your car keys...

 

[islandman]

The way it ought to be federally. The states can't be trusted to respect the second amendment and it's very annoying that you have to leave your guns at home when travelling inside the US.

Most airlines only allow one carry-on, so where would you put your guns?

 

[koalabear]

Most airlines only allow one carry-on, so where would you put your guns?

In checked baggage, you can't carry them on.

 

[StrangeLife]

Most airlines only allow one carry-on, so where would you put your guns?

I'd be fine with checking them in.

It's ok to make an exception to the second amendment on airplanes, since discharging a round could cause rapid de-pressurising of the entire cabin and crash the thing. There should be as few things that can cause a crash as possible on a plane. Besides a plane is essentially a private residence owned by the airline. I can stay away from their property if I don't like their rules.

What I object to is limiting my rights to carry in public places. The city of New York for instance. How dare they violate my constitutional rights? The streets are part of the United States of America.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'd be fine with checking them in.

It's ok to make an exception to the second amendment on airplanes, since discharging a round could cause rapid de-pressurising of the entire cabin and crash the thing. There should be as few things that can cause a crash as possible on a plane. Besides a plane is essentially a private residence owned by the airline. I can stay away from their property if I don't like their rules.

What I object to is limiting my rights to carry in public places. The city of New York for instance. How dare they violate my constitutional rights? The streets are part of the United States of America.

Not being able to rapidly depressure the entire cabin once killed 3000 Americans. If you don't have a right to self defense bad things happen. Remember the only thing that stops a bad guy with a box cutter is a good guy with gun.

As for the rest of your question the risk/reward scenario has been found wanting by civilization. As a result your right has largely been revoked by said society.

 

[koalabear]

I'd be fine with checking them in.

It's ok to make an exception to the second amendment on airplanes, since discharging a round could cause rapid de-pressurising of the entire cabin and crash the thing. There should be as few things that can cause a crash as possible on a plane. Besides a plane is essentially a private residence owned by the airline. I can stay away from their property if I don't like their rules.

What I object to is limiting my rights to carry in public places. The city of New York for instance. How dare they violate my constitutional rights? The streets are part of the United States of America.

Why would you go to a place that wants to limit your rights?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I'd be fine with checking them in.

It's ok to make an exception to the second amendment on airplanes, since discharging a round could cause rapid de-pressurising of the entire cabin and crash the thing. There should be as few things that can cause a crash as possible on a plane. Besides a plane is essentially a private residence owned by the airline. I can stay away from their property if I don't like their rules.

What I object to is limiting my rights to carry in public places. The city of New York for instance. How dare they violate my constitutional rights? The streets are part of the United States of America.

Owning a gun isn't a right. It's a privilege.

 

[koalabear]

Owning a gun isn't a right. It's a privilege.

Don't confuse it with a drivers license Gomer.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Don't confuse it with a drivers license Gomer.

Why not? They can both be taken away, right?

 

[koalabear]

Why not? They can both be taken away, right?

Not according to the gun grabbers, any one can have a gun.

 

[phrodeau]

I'd be fine with checking them in.

It's ok to make an exception to the second amendment on airplanes, since discharging a round could cause rapid de-pressurising of the entire cabin and crash the thing. There should be as few things that can cause a crash as possible on a plane. Besides a plane is essentially a private residence owned by the airline. I can stay away from their property if I don't like their rules.

What I object to is limiting my rights to carry in public places. The city of New York for instance. How dare they violate my constitutional rights? The streets are part of the United States of America.

You can't fire a gun in the city limits of New York City without hitting somebody's property.

 

[StrangeLife]

Not being able to rapidly depressure the entire cabin once killed 3000 Americans. If you don't have a right to self defense bad things happen. Remember the only thing that stops a bad guy with a box cutter is a good guy with gun.

If you need a gun in order to defend yourself against a box cutter, you should have your pilots license revoked. I'm sorry to talk bad about the dead, but seriously...

Anyway, today you can't enter the cockpit from the passenger compartment unless the pilots open the door from their side, and they are instructed to ignore any requests to do so - even if somebody is threatening to kill a passenger or a stewardess with a knife. But with a gun you could potentially shoot out the locking mechanism and force the door.

As for the rest of your question the risk/reward scenario has been found wanting by civilization. As a result your right has largely been revoked by said society.

A mob can't be allowed to violate the fundamental rights of individuals. We don't do lynchings either.

The constitution is not a "guideline" - it's the very foundation of our society. It's a law - and if people want to change it we have specific congressional procedures for doing so. It's appalling that a group of state-politicians can use it for toilet paper and completely overrule my constitutional rights.

 

[StrangeLife]

You can't fire a gun in the city limits of New York City without hitting somebody's property.

Unless there's a badguy in the way

 

[evesdream]

Unless there's a badguy in the way

Even trained cops have problems not hitting bystanders in New York.

 

[eyer]

There goes the thread...

 

[StrangeLife]

Even trained cops have problems not hitting bystanders in New York.

Yet nobody is questioning their right to bear arms. In fact, they can't refuse.

 

[evesdream]

Yet nobody is questioning their right to bear arms. In fact, they can't refuse.

You'd be surprised.

 

[Sean Renaud]

If you need a gun in order to defend yourself against a box cutter, you should have your pilots license revoked. I'm sorry to talk bad about the dead, but seriously...

Anyway, today you can't enter the cockpit from the passenger compartment unless the pilots open the door from their side, and they are instructed to ignore any requests to do so - even if somebody is threatening to kill a passenger or a stewardess with a knife. But with a gun you could potentially shoot out the locking mechanism and force the door.



A mob can't be allowed to violate the fundamental rights of individuals. We don't do lynchings either.

The constitution is not a "guideline" - it's the very foundation of our society. It's a law - and if people want to change it we have specific congressional procedures for doing so. It's appalling that a group of state-politicians can use it for toilet paper and completely overrule my constitutional rights.

I'm sure there are other ways to get past the locks on the door if you absolutely have to. Besides a locked door will stop 99% of wild animals (hell a merely closed door will) but I'm supposed to buy that wild animals is a justification.

There are no such animals as fundamental rights. There are ultimately the rights the "mob" agrees on and the ones they don't.

The Constitution has been a guideline for decades. Because it's two centuries old, we all know it doesn't work in all situations anymore and nobody wants to go through the bullshit of amending the Constitution to deal with common sense issues. You wanna get pissy because we're lazy? That's fine. I think we're well past the point where we should simply start over from scratch but that's not happening either.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yet nobody is questioning their right to bear arms. In fact, they can't refuse.

Because they can be held accountable for their actions.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Yet nobody is questioning their right to bear arms. In fact, they can't refuse.

Actually there's a whole thread on it. Started by all people by Vetteman resident Super Republican.

 

[Phelia]

Actually there's a whole thread on it. Started by all people by Vetteman resident Super Republican.

He should get that printed on business cards! Maybe we can convince Laurelle to set up an official hotline.

"Hello, yes, this is the resident Super Republican speaking. How may I distort reality for you today?"

 

[StrangeLife]

You'd be surprised.

The ones I have encountered were packing. So if there are any unarmed cops out there they're sure good at hiding.

I'm sure there are other ways to get past the locks on the door if you absolutely have to. Besides a locked door will stop 99% of wild animals (hell a merely closed door will) but I'm supposed to buy that wild animals is a justification.

Anybody can solve any problem if given enough time. But the terrorist doesn't have much time. He needs to get through that door fast and preferably surprise the pilots. A locked door could have saved the WTC.

There are no such animals as fundamental rights. There are ultimately the rights the "mob" agrees on and the ones they don't.

Really? So if the South decided to disregard the constitution too and reinstate slavery, we'd have to accept it as "the privilege of the mob"?