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[BlitzKrieger]

What would having straight sex mean to a gay guy?

Obviously there's no uniform, monolithic perspective. But more often than not, do gay men consider other gay men having sex with females (as long as their heart's not in it) to be perfectly normal and no big deal?

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has pondered that question. Reminds me of that really shitty Madonna movie from a few years ago where she asked a gay friend to knock her up. He took one for the team, but his man-lover was a bit pissed iirc.

 

[JMohegan]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who has pondered that question. Reminds me of that really shitty Madonna movie from a few years ago where she asked a gay friend to knock her up. He took one for the team, but his man-lover was a bit pissed iirc.

I only ponder it when folks start talking about how uptight straight people allegedly are.

When I think of what "gay" means, I think: the opposite of straight. Aroused by same sex, and same sex only.

 

[JMohegan]

Depends.

Some gay men are ewwwwww about it.

My husband's bf self ID's as gay, but was married, sometimes thinks women are hot, but his much stronger preference is for men.

I guess you can do this whole "if I'd set up house with one gender and not the other gender I'm that orientation" thing, but in some ways, I think all this does is marginalize and freakify the overwhelmingly common phenomenon of bisexuality.I realize there's a ton of backlash against that term and concept, but I think it covers a lot of ground.

I considered myself MUCH better off KNOWING my fiancee needs cock in his life rather than not, because he's "straight"

If you were to ask me, it's a series of factors. One experimental drunk night in college you don't go back to? You're pretty straight. One experimental drunk night in college you *can't stop thinking about* - hello.

There's backlash against the notion of bisexuality? Why?

 

[Netzach]

There's backlash against the notion of bisexuality? Why?

I think the idea that it's chic and de rigeur and whatever.

Chic and overplayed or not, it's also where a sizeable number of people land on the spectrum.

It's amazing to me that the same culture that brings you Girls Gone Wild bullshit is still all "Cary Grant = gay or not gay???" on NPR.

 

[intothewoods]

I think the idea that it's chic and de rigeur and whatever.

Chic and overplayed or not, it's also where a sizeable number of people land on the spectrum.

It's amazing to me that the same culture that brings you Girls Gone Wild bullshit is still all "Cary Grant = gay or not gay???" on NPR.

Hmm, I make a distinction between straight-identified girls putting on a show for straight-identified guys and bisexuals, but maybe I shouldn't. Do you think there is something positive about Girls Gone Wild-type displays?

 

[Etoile]

Do you think there is something positive about Girls Gone Wild-type displays?

I don't. Those are just stupid. Ooooooh we kissy kissy each other.

 

[Netzach]

Hmm, I make a distinction between straight-identified girls putting on a show for straight-identified guys and bisexuals, but maybe I shouldn't. Do you think there is something positive about Girls Gone Wild-type displays?

No, I don't.

But I'm not one of those people who's really pissed because "it gives real bisexuals a bad name" blah blah blah. I think the negative impact is mostly just one more win for the crass and dumb.

A girl can be an exhibitionist and a slut and femme and mostly into her bf - and still bi. An asshole can still be a Dom. It's an orientation not a medal.

 

[Etoile]

I have a problem with GGW because it's fake. Fake affection, fake attraction, fake interest, fake payment for the models, fake everything.

But mostly I just feel sorry for those girls. How pathetic do you have to be to do that shit for a trucker's hat? If you want to show yourself, that's fine - I used to do online porn, incall/outcall dancing, nudie mags, etc - I understand the power of showing yourself. But at least do it for someone who respects you for it. Or at least PAYS you for it. A trucker's hat? Bullshit.

 

[Homburg]

I like the whole package. Sighhh.

I figured you would.

--

Ok.

I made you do it.

There there, Arthur.

You did? Whew. My conscience is clear, and I can return to drinking beer, banging women, watching sports, and general all-purpose misogyny.

Thank you, Captain Netzach!

(Uh, Arthur?)

--

As to GGW, look, I'm a fan of girls kissing. Kind of like ITW and her thing with boys kissing. I like women kissing. I'm not ashamed to admit it.

GGW though? Stupid.

 

[nh23]

Is anyone else into this?

Does it make me gay?

Yes, does it make me gay? I freely admit to being bi, but I don't think I'm gay.

 

[RJMasters]

penetratee=s; penetrator=D.

That's my intuitive impression of the act, not the orientation.

Nods. The sexual act itsself (anal play) doesn't dictate the orientation of hetro, bi, or gay. I think what drives the labido however does. If you are having sexual fantisies about the same sex, then I would say that is a fair case for assuming gay tendencies at the very least.

If your fantasies are compounding representatiions, such as imagining a woman with manlike qualities, then I would say there is a level of complexity which is not obvious. It would depend on what the manlike qualities represents. Also...one might consider, why the fantasy is a woman first with manlike qualities, rather than a man first with womanlike qualities.

By parsing the parts of the fantasy and looking at the individual elements at different angle, one might be able to zero in on a more qualified understanding of what makes this so appealing.

I think your assessment of penetratee=s; penetrator=D is one angle of looking at it which is why I asked the question. Does the manlike qualities in the fantasy represent same sex or does it represent ideal of a dominant masculine strength. If the former, then the answer to..."does this make me gay" would be a yes for me. If the latter, then I would say no, and the most logical next step in my mind would be to look at the act from a dominant/submissive perspective.

In the end the only thing that matters is what Marquis thinks the manlike qualities of the woman represents in the fantasy. Only then will the answer become more clear.

There's always 'Mistress made me.' And the prison bitch thing.

The first evades personal responsbility of given consent, the latter, no consent is present. In these cases, with denial and forced being present, these would have to be dicussed in a seperate contetxt or at least as exceptions.

 

[Shankara20]

It's an orientation not a medal.

WHAT!

Then what did I do all that training for?




So I won't get the bronze medal for Bi this year after all.
damn! *pout*

The Gag Reflex Suppression Intensive Marathon weekends where the most stressful....

All those helpers involved in that those trainings will be very disappointed when I tell them.

If only I had gotten a list of their names...

and I never did see any faces so how in the world will I ever reconcile them again?








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[Homburg]

I dislike a blanket association of penetrator being the D and penetratee being the s. Frankly, it impugns any sort of sex in F/m dynamic that involves male as penetrator as somehow being a switch/flip. That makes no sense to me. Sure, the Fdom with the strap-on or other tool penetrating the msub's ass is a very dominant image, but it does not somehow switch roles if the msub is allowed to penetrate the Fdom. Under direction, restraint, position, or even just headspace are sufficent to maintain roles.

I find the idea limiting.

Moving on, I think that we are mixing gender-sex orientation with power. It may be "gay" for a man to want to fuck a man because he is male, but is it so "gay" to want to dominate, punish, etc? If your fetish is power, are you somehow gay for finding arousal in power situations outside strict hetero guidelines?

In my own case, I'm comfortable with myself. I'm pretty seriously het, but have had those moments in my life where I've thought, "I would fuck this guy. Wait? Where the hell did that thought come from?!?" It didn't make me feel homosexual, or even bi or heteroflexible. It just makes me human.

That said, I have found some F/M and M/m imagery dead hot. It wasn't the participants so much as the compelling story that the photo or series told of the interaction, and the presented depth of the power dynamic. It made me realise that power itself was as hot to me as anything else. Does that make me bi or a switch? Nope, it just makes me a person interested in the intersection of sex and power.

 

[YourCaptor]

So what do you guys think of the, the guy doing the fucking is straight, while the fucked is gay.

It's a fairly prevalent idea in parts of the planet.

 

[Netzach]

So what do you guys think of the, the guy doing the fucking is straight, while the fucked is gay.

It's a fairly prevalent idea in parts of the planet.

No.

If you are putting your dick in a biological woman's ass, you are straight. If you are putting your dick in a man's ass, even if he's dressed like Rita Hayworth, you are no longer straight. You are bi. Grow a pair and own it.

If your culture doesn't have a bi category, this whole discussion is kind of pointless. I'm talking about mainstream postindustrial west.

 

[Netzach]

I dislike a blanket association of penetrator being the D and penetratee being the s. Frankly, it impugns any sort of sex in F/m dynamic that involves male as penetrator as somehow being a switch/flip. That makes no sense to me. Sure, the Fdom with the strap-on or other tool penetrating the msub's ass is a very dominant image, but it does not somehow switch roles if the msub is allowed to penetrate the Fdom. Under direction, restraint, position, or even just headspace are sufficent to maintain roles.

I find the idea limiting.

Moving on, I think that we are mixing gender-sex orientation with power. It may be "gay" for a man to want to fuck a man because he is male, but is it so "gay" to want to dominate, punish, etc? If your fetish is power, are you somehow gay for finding arousal in power situations outside strict hetero guidelines?

In my own case, I'm comfortable with myself. I'm pretty seriously het, but have had those moments in my life where I've thought, "I would fuck this guy. Wait? Where the hell did that thought come from?!?" It didn't make me feel homosexual, or even bi or heteroflexible. It just makes me human.

That said, I have found some F/M and M/m imagery dead hot. It wasn't the participants so much as the compelling story that the photo or series told of the interaction, and the presented depth of the power dynamic. It made me realise that power itself was as hot to me as anything else. Does that make me bi or a switch? Nope, it just makes me a person interested in the intersection of sex and power.

One can finger/fuck/fist someone from a very vulnerable position. Don't we have any Romantics here?

 

[JMohegan]

Nods. The sexual act itsself (anal play) doesn't dictate the orientation of hetro, bi, or gay. I think what drives the labido however does. If you are having sexual fantisies about the same sex, then I would say that is a fair case for assuming gay tendencies at the very least.

If your fantasies are compounding representatiions, such as imagining a woman with manlike qualities, then I would say there is a level of complexity which is not obvious. It would depend on what the manlike qualities represents. Also...one might consider, why the fantasy is a woman first with manlike qualities, rather than a man first with womanlike qualities.

By parsing the parts of the fantasy and looking at the individual elements at different angle, one might be able to zero in on a more qualified understanding of what makes this so appealing.

I think your assessment of penetratee=s; penetrator=D is one angle of looking at it which is why I asked the question. Does the manlike qualities in the fantasy represent same sex or does it represent ideal of a dominant masculine strength. If the former, then the answer to..."does this make me gay" would be a yes for me. If the latter, then I would say no, and the most logical next step in my mind would be to look at the act from a dominant/submissive perspective.

In the end the only thing that matters is what Marquis thinks the manlike qualities of the woman represents in the fantasy. Only then will the answer become more clear.

You seem to be applying the one-drop rule in defining sexual orientation here, but perhaps I misunderstood. Would you please clarify?

 

[YourCaptor]

No.

If you are putting your dick in a biological woman's ass, you are straight. If you are putting your dick in a man's ass, even if he's dressed like Rita Hayworth, you are no longer straight. You are bi. Grow a pair and own it.

If your culture doesn't have a bi category, this whole discussion is kind of pointless. I'm talking about mainstream postindustrial west.

I don't know, this kind of get into if being straight means being totally repulsed by gay sex, or just not into it. People do strange things, that they wouldn't do if all was text book, all the time.

 

[Netzach]

I don't know, this kind of get into if being straight means being totally repulsed by gay sex, or just not into it. People do strange things, that they wouldn't do if all was text book, all the time.

I think not into it encompasses caring that the ass being proferred is a female one - that isn't necessarily dread and loathing, just preference.

The problem isn't in the definitions, its in the amount of homophobia it takes for someone fucking a dude up the ass to still *need* not to see himself as bi. I don't mean that he's phobic per se, the whole culture is phobic to require this spin.

If bisexuality were a value neutral term, like left handed, do you think people would contort themselves into "straight" from "butch bisexual top?"

 

[Netzach]

@Homburg/ Oh and "there there Arthur" is a ref. to Blackadder. Not the Dudley Moore movie.

 

[Homburg]

@Homburg/ Oh and "there there Arthur" is a ref. to Blackadder. Not the Dudley Moore movie.

Oh, right! I've seen very little Blackadder, but what I did see was funny. It was added to my list of shows to watch should I ever magically find myself with far too much time and a desire to consume television.

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Lookign at the penetrator considering himself straight, and the penetratee being gay, I am reminded of the poem Netz posted in some thread a while back. It was a Roman poem that started something like "I'll fuck you up your ass and down your throat," or somesuch. In looking into the poem, I found myself wandering the halls if wikipedia on related links, and found that this attitude was a very Roman thing. The man doing the pitching was fine. It was the poor bastard catching that likewise caught society's derision.

I've heard that a similar line is drawn in Brazil and other parts of South America. My buddy AP is Hispanic, and spent years in SAmerica on business, and he has some really interesting stories on sexuality in the various nations he traveled to on business. The whole concept of machismo in the culture demands a reliance on things manly and dom-ish, yet the woman rules the roost in the house behind closed doors. Homosexuals are frequently derided, yet many well-loved public figures are flamboyantly gay. For whatever reason though, his largest impression on the issue was how poorly male bisexuality was received. It was like society disliked you if you were gay, but could sorta accept it. Bi was flat out though. And the mental gymnastics taken to consider fucking another man up the ass acceptably straight still confounds me.

Note: The above paragraph relates wholly to the impressions and stories I received from my friend AP and his many stories about SAmerica. They do not reflect my own experience, or any sort of weird bigotry or other judgements on his part of mine. He considers himself Hispanic, and is very aware of his own machismo-based issues.

 

[Homburg]

Out of curiosity, why do we see so few homosexual M/m players on the Lit BDSM boards? I can think of more than a couple of bi males here, but can't think of an active homosexual male poster.

 

[Netzach]

Out of curiosity, why do we see so few homosexual M/m players on the Lit BDSM boards? I can think of more than a couple of bi males here, but can't think of an active homosexual male poster.

Why do you see so few FDoms?

What's here for them, really, on the surface?

 

[JMohegan]

penetratee=s; penetrator=D.

That's my intuitive impression of the act, not the orientation.

Does dick in a hole automatically create a D and an s, or is it sometimes just a cigar?

Dick in ass feels like an act of dominance to me. Every time.

I hear all the points being made about context and headspace and whatnot. I've made similar points myself. Many times.

 

[Netzach]

Dick in ass feels like an act of dominance to me. Every time.

I hear all the points being made about context and headspace and whatnot. I've made similar points myself. Many times.

Yeah, see to me it's just a cigar and a donut in the absence of any other information. A sexually passive person can be a Dominant person, a controlling person, the drive in the relationship.

Check out Love is the Devil, the Francis Bacon biopic for the ultimate study in the Dominant bottom.