Have yourselves a Merry Little 4th of July

[Gingersnap]

Flagg sweetie you are showing your bias when you say things like that and shame on you. Have you once had anyone on the board mention the outdated flea bitten british royalty?
Talk about a bore! You could draw and quarter me but I still wouldn't bow my head to that group of inbred cows. I just had to throw that at your feet as we all celebrate our independence from you. THe magna carta may have been earlier but we took it one step further and walked the walk. So it is with honest affection and warmness that I say to you BITE ME!!









[Edited by Gingersnap on 07-04-2000 at 07:29 AM]

 

[Stevie]

God save the Queen, and Gingersnap.

 

[Flagg]

Steve looked up but all he could see was jam

Well Ginge, interesting point you have there. Personally, I think that the royalty should be banned because I'm a republican you see. So yes I agree with you.

If I was to post 10k of legislative bullshit about the British Constitution on this site, I don't think it would go down too well do you?

Where is it that you want that bite by the way?

 

[Stevie]

I'd rather have the Queen as head of state than Tony Blair (shudders).

 

[Gingersnap]

I think you could bite me on the lip and then maybe I can judge just how reserved you are this happy yankee day.

 

[Gingersnap]

BTW ROGER!!! you promised you would show me your rocket and let me shoot it off. Just when were you going to let me practice huh?

 

[Sammyjo]

I'm still curious

Don't you hate it when people start out a conversation and then say "I won't bore you with the rest of it"

HELLO!!!

Let's hear it ShyGuy...why? why do you celebrate it? is it just another excuse to get drunk?

heehee

 

[Lasher]

Hmmm...

If I was to post 10k of legislative bullshit about the British Constitution on this site, I don't think it would go down too well do you?

I wasn't aware that Britain had a formal written Constitution.. But if it does, and someone were to post information about it, I would certainly take the time to read - and then, at least, take the opportunity to make a "Mr. Bean" joke to go along with it....

Secondly, I happen to admire most of what the British were able to accomplish over the past 1000 or so years... Right up until the point where Prince Charles started wishing he was a tampon. Ya kinda lost me after that...

Btw, that isn't "legislative bullshit about the.." US Constitution. That was the Declaration of Independence... Written 12 years before the US Constitution, there is nothing legislative about it. If you would take the time to read, you would understand that it is one of the finest crafted pieces of literature in the History of human kind.

Dammit, I said I wasn't going to do this again... Shit.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Yeah, okay they started signing it on July 3rd maybe...and it took weeks to sign...but if you look at the original preserved document you'll see right there at the top...in big letters JULY 4, 1776..

It doesn't matter what the date is on the document we've all come to know, because that isn't the original docuemnt they started signing on July 3rd. By the time that printed version came around the mistaken date had already become history. Ah well..

As for it being "boring"... Well, it is boring, once you get to the Grievances, which were important to list since the Americans were making a case to the rest of Europe whose help they would need in the coming war. But to anyone who is even the tiniest bit interested in world history can't help but be moved by a politcal document that eloquently expresses a new definition of state, a concept so revoltionary, bold, and thrilling that it inspired the French Revolution and began the most successful political experiment in history. The world was changed by the Declaration of Independece, without exageration, specifically because of how inspiring it is. No matter how you feel about passages like "He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation...", over all "Boring" is an adjective ill-used I think, and belies an insincerity of thought.

Thanks for posting it, Havocman.

 

[CreamyLady]

As Lasher pointed out, the Declaration was not legislative bullshit at all; it was an act of treason that was remarkably effective.

I find it fascinating that the colonies managed to get past the revolution and develop into a relatively stable nation at all. History has shown that revolutionary ideals do not necessarily survive after the upheaval.

We still have many of the ideals, even if the practical applications sometimes go awry.

 

[Oliver Clozoff]

Re: Hmmm...

I wasn't aware that Britain had a formal written Constitution.. But if it does, and someone were to post information about it, I would certainly take the time to read...

I think you'd be reading a LONG time. Britain's "constitution", isn't a formally drafted document like the ones we're used to writing and ratifying for the governments of the US and the states.

Instead, (as I understand it... I'm sure the lawyers/historians of this board could explain it far better than I can) it's a collection of established tradition and precedent (much similar to British common law).

Posted by Creamylady:
"I find it fascinating that the colonies managed to get past the revolution and develop into a relatively stable nation at all. History has shown that revolutionary ideals do not necessarily survive after the upheaval."

I think this remarkable accomplishment is largely due to the wonderful flexibility of the constitution (specifically, the amendment process, the wide berth given to the different branches of government to take on new powers as the times changed, and the later established power of judicial review by the Supreme Court), but all within a solid framework that (usually) prevents the gross misuse of power.

Enjoying learning from all the better educated folks on this board. Keep up the good posting!