How do you punish or discipline?

It depends on the sub, of course. Tailored punishments can be quite interesting. :)

I've never actually had to punish someone, because my experience with submissives is that they WANT to please their dom -- sometimes they want to please you more than is actually good for them. Still, I have thought of punishments for a sub before, because I find that submissives want to know that I'm serious enough about our relationship to have thought of punishments for them.

The man with whom I had the longest D/S relationship was partly transgendered, in that he was physically male -- and was definitely NOT trying to pass, since he had a full, bushy beard :) -- but he wore "women's" clothes all the time. He wore skirts to places where *I* wouldn't wear a skirt, like the auto repair shop.

And that suggested a psychologically painful but physically innocuous punishment: if he intentionally disobeyed (as opposed to fucking up because, well, people make mistakes, or because of circumstances), then he would be required to wear men's underwear for a period of time, length of time dependent on the severity of the transgression.

I figured that I had no right to mess with his public identity as a partly transgendered person, which is why I specified underwear; only he would know that he was wearing men's underwear. But he WOULD know, and that knowledge would burn.

When he asked me how I would punish him if he disobeyed, I told him this, and he was quite pleased. This potential punishment told him that 1) yes, I was serious about this D/S stuff, and 2) I saw him clearly and thought about who he was; I was playing with HIM and not with Some Generic Submissive (as so many doms seem to).

So I found punishment to be an important aspect of that relationship, even though I never had to apply it. God, people are interesting! :)
 
Punishment for me is never corporal. I'm a huge masochist and spankings, or pain of any type just wouldn't do it. I know for some s types if their PYL is really angry with them then they don't enjoy the pain. It's not like that for me. If he was really angry I would still enjoy it, on a different level yeah, but it wouldn't be at all effective.

The punishment Master usually gives me is to cut me off. No sex, no pain, no humiliation etc. It's also a punishment in it's own right to know that he's upset with me.
 
Punishment for me is never corporal. I'm a huge masochist and spankings, or pain of any type just wouldn't do it. I know for some s types if their PYL is really angry with them then they don't enjoy the pain. It's not like that for me. If he was really angry I would still enjoy it, on a different level yeah, but it wouldn't be at all effective.

The punishment Master usually gives me is to cut me off. No sex, no pain, no humiliation etc. It's also a punishment in it's own right to know that he's upset with me.
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The punishment Master usually gives me is to cut me off. No sex, no pain, no humiliation etc. It's also a punishment in it's own right to know that he's upset with me.

Master will do this on occasion and if something corporal follows as a result, it's usually for the feeling of catharsis that Homburg alluded to. I will beat myself up for far longer than is healthy if I have managed to genuinely fail Master and our dynamic.

For us it has been something of a progressive thing too. The longer I am his slave and the more I understand him, his needs and expectations, the higher the standard is that he sets for me in terms of my behaviour. Sometimes I forget that and am surprised when he reacts strongly to something that a few months previous he might have been more lenient about. I like that he's always pushing me to better myself however and if I became a perfect slave who never ever pissed him off I think things would get a little stale and we'd lose some of our spark.

In addition, Master reserves the right to be capricious and arbitrary according to his mood. If I read his mood completely wrong, I can get myself into hot water without any 'official' (for want of a better word) lapses on my part at all. To an outsider it might appear unfair, because there have been situations in which I really could not win. As a slave however (as opposed to a sub or non 24/7 TPE pyl) I accept that I have no right to fairness or quid pro quo. Our house is not a democracy and I wouldn't have it any other way. When I know a punishment is down to his mood and not something I have really done wrong then I do enjoy it on certain levels. I enjoy renewing my fear of him and being reminded that I can never get complacent or always assume I know what he wants and how he'll treat me. It's not the same as play or sceneing but there is a certain satisfaction in suffering purely because it serves some need in him to hurt me.

Hope that makes sense.
 
Master will do this on occasion and if something corporal follows as a result, it's usually for the feeling of catharsis that Homburg alluded to. I will beat myself up for far longer than is healthy if I have managed to genuinely fail Master and our dynamic..
*nods* So after your punishment, say for example he cuts you off for one week. At the end of that week he will give you pain, or sex, a scene etc.. Kind of a way to let you know that everything is alright and back on track? It's like that in our dynamic too. He'll cut me off for a certain amount of time. Then things will go back to normal so I know he's forgiven me and things are ok again.

For us it has been something of a progressive thing too. The longer I am his slave and the more I understand him, his needs and expectations, the higher the standard is that he sets for me in terms of my behaviour. Sometimes I forget that and am surprised when he reacts strongly to something that a few months previous he might have been more lenient about. I like that he's always pushing me to better myself however and if I became a perfect slave who never ever pissed him off I think things would get a little stale and we'd lose some of our spark.
We've only been 24/7 TPE for a little over a year, so I am still very much in the learning process. And I agree with you here totally. I actually like that fact that he may react to something totally different this month than he did last month. Like you said it keeps things from getting stale, and for me if I could always predict his actions I would get terribly bored. It's important like you said to be pushed to be better, and not fall into complacency.

In addition, Master reserves the right to be capricious and arbitrary according to his mood. If I read his mood completely wrong, I can get myself into hot water without any 'official' (for want of a better word) lapses on my part at all. To an outsider it might appear unfair, because there have been situations in which I really could not win. As a slave however (as opposed to a sub or non 24/7 TPE pyl) I accept that I have no right to fairness or quid pro quo. Our house is not a democracy and I wouldn't have it any other way. When I know a punishment is down to his mood and not something I have really done wrong then I do enjoy it on certain levels. I enjoy renewing my fear of him and being reminded that I can never get complacent or always assume I know what he wants and how he'll treat me. It's not the same as play or sceneing but there is a certain satisfaction in suffering purely because it serves some need in him to hurt me.
Yep, and what I put in bold in that paragraph, is why corporal punishment would not be an effective punishment for me. For one I honestly really get off on the fact that he's hurting me, even beyond sometimes what I enjoy or want. But I take it anyway because that's my place, and what makes him happy. Totally hot to me. And for me the fact that he's angry with me, or upset doesn't really change the hotness of that for me. Maybe I'm awful for that.:eek: I mean it does hurt me emotionally to know that I disappointed him, but for him to come at me in an aggressive, angry manner and give corporal punishment, a part of me would get off on that way too much.
Hope that makes sense.

Perfect :)
 
Intriguing and touching, Corylea

I've never actually had to punish someone, because my experience with submissives is that they WANT to please their dom -- sometimes they want to please you more than is actually good for them. Still, I have thought of punishments for a sub before, because I find that submissives want to know that I'm serious enough about our relationship to have thought of punishments for them.

The man with whom I had the longest D/S relationship was partly transgendered, in that he was physically male -- and was definitely NOT trying to pass, since he had a full, bushy beard :) -- but he wore "women's" clothes all the time. He wore skirts to places where *I* wouldn't wear a skirt, like the auto repair shop.

And that suggested a psychologically painful but physically innocuous punishment: if he intentionally disobeyed (as opposed to fucking up because, well, people make mistakes, or because of circumstances), then he would be required to wear men's underwear for a period of time, length of time dependent on the severity of the transgression.

I figured that I had no right to mess with his public identity as a partly transgendered person, which is why I specified underwear; only he would know that he was wearing men's underwear. But he WOULD know, and that knowledge would burn.

When he asked me how I would punish him if he disobeyed, I told him this, and he was quite pleased. This potential punishment told him that 1) yes, I was serious about this D/S stuff, and 2) I saw him clearly and thought about who he was; I was playing with HIM and not with Some Generic Submissive (as so many doms seem to).

So I found punishment to be an important aspect of that relationship, even though I never had to apply it. God, people are interesting! :)

That's a wonderfully special way to manage that, Corylea, IMHO. I like that you kept the thought of your sub at the forefront of your mind. He was the person your were dealing with. Like you said, not a Generic cookie-cutter subby blow-up doll.

I just had a little experience with this yesterday, in fact, and it was a faux pas, not anything deliberate, a minor distraction. But I was disappointed with his behaviour, told him so and then told him he couldn't have what had distracted him. That I would get it and give it to him in my time, when I decided it was the right time. I'm happy with the way it went and things are a little clearer for us both since we're sort of feeling our way along. Always fun! ;-)
 
And if I'm spanking her because I want to - regardless of whether she finds it enjoyable at the moment?

.. it's called submission--NOT punishment.

Does punishment mean, Doing something she really does not enjoy even in a submissive, masochistic way? Or simply referring to "negative reinforcement" to make her act the way you want?

Punishment is what occurs when a submissive/masochist/bottom/pyl has done something punishment worthy. The purpose of punishment should be to correct the problem but is often just punishment to make a point--"Don't do that again!"

I guess I'm assuming that anything I do to her has been implicitly agreed upon in advance - so how can it be punishment?

I ask only out of ignorance, and don't mean to hijack the thread.

Everyone will have different ideas about what corrects and what punishes, I don't think [personal opinion here] that anything erotic works well as punishment. The lines between submission and correction get too blurred IMO.

Non-erotic things work well for correction or at least things that are difficult for a particular sub to eroticize.
 
Discipline is training the subject of discipline to perform in an expected and accepted manner so the wheels on the bus go round and round.

Punishment is stomping on the brakes of the bus.

OK, you said it better.

Good to see you BTW. :cattail:
 
That's a wonderfully special way to manage that, Corylea, IMHO. I like that you kept the thought of your sub at the forefront of your mind. He was the person your were dealing with. Like you said, not a Generic cookie-cutter subby blow-up doll.

*smile* Thank you! :rose:
 
*smile* Thank you! :rose:

You're welcome! Do you work with a lot of subs? I've been approached by a few men looking for a good domme and I don't have much free time to devote to them. My Pet takes up most of my time! And I'm still learning the ropes, as it is... and chains, whips, floggers... ;-) LOL Actually haven't even touched that stuff... yet!

The concept of punishment for me involves more of a training aspect. It's very rare for me to even consider a painful physical aspect to punishment. I guess I'm more like Homburg and such... if I want to spank Pet, I'll just spank him because I WANT to. ;-)
 
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