How Does a Whip Feel?

[Sheaf_Beast]

The next time

anyone is in Dallas, I am sure you will see me if you play in public.

 

[JMohegan]

Have to say the bullwhip has become a favourite of mine. I had both a bullwhip and stockwhip handmade from kangaroo leather in Oz before I moved here permanently. The stockwhip is too long for using at home, but thanks to our high ceilinged attic bedroom we have room for the bullwhip. It is hard to describe the feeling, partly because everyone experiences sensations diffferently, but for me it is similar to a flame at very close range crossing my flesh and then some. The sensation does not go away in a second, and varies depending on the intensity of the power behind the lash and target area. Either way, though I have a respectful fear of it, I also love it.

Love that last line. It describes so much of SM play, don't you think?

Thanks for sharing the description of sensations.

 

[JMohegan]

if you are learning with a 12 footer you are jumping into the very deep end of the pool without your water wings.

Ha, ha, great analogy! Yes, I'm sure that's true.

I can deliver a nice, controlled sensation with a 3 foot whip. (looks less silly when you are only 5'4'') Almost all the whips I've seen used in session are 3 to 5 feet. I've seen one expert who goes for the long ones, but he does very public performance oriented stuff.

I can't even be heard by a sub at 12 feet in a normal conversational tone. I've played with a long admittedly cheapass whip and I think I'd take my eye out sooner or later if it's longer than I am tall.

I'm 6'2", but even so I get your point about the length of the whip. I've been ducking and weaving plenty while figuring out what the heck I'm doing with my swing.

At this point, I have a hard time imagining myself ever using the bullwhip on a human being. SpectreT nailed it for me when he compared it to "playing with knives that travel faster than sound". Anyone who holds this thing in their hand, and swings full force, will know what he means too. This isn't really a tool, and definitely not a "toy". It's a weapon, and a powerful one.

I do think I'll keep practicing, though. My inner kid is having a great time.

By the way, I was doing some research and found this on Wikipedia:

"When cracked properly, the very end of the whip (the "cracker" or "popper") goes supersonic and a minor compression wave (sonic boom) is created. This sounds something like a small thunderclap. This loud noise was used to train cattle and keep them from straying, as well as to slay predators. While a bullwhip can be used for protection against stray cattle, it would be very rare for the herdsmen to actually strike the animal due to the damage that can be inflicted."

Knives travelling faster than sound. Yup, that describes it well.

 

[the captians wench]

I haven't been much more than teased with a whip. Was sort of an impromtu demo/ crowd rounder uper kinda thing. Of course I went to this show in a gothic school girl type thing. Short black pleated mini skirt. Well I was standing showing some floggers to an interested person (making sure to make jestures and draw the eyes to my corseted breasts cheap trick or not a sale's a sale ) When I felt a slight sting on my inner thigh. Then another on the other thigh. I peaked behind me and there stood the owner of the shop that I was there with with a 6 footer just lightly umm....snaking the whip so that it hit my thighs and blowing up my skirt every now and then. From there I was dragged by my pigtails to the center area and flogged for the length of a song, but man did I hunger for that whip.

 

[myinnerslut]

i think i would like to try being struck with a whip, at least once at some point in the future...


...but for now, due to cuation, fear, what everyone has said on the topic, and a bad case of nerves im gonna avoid it.

 

[SpectreT]

Ha, ha, great analogy! Yes, I'm sure that's true.

I'm 6'2", but even so I get your point about the length of the whip. I've been ducking and weaving plenty while figuring out what the heck I'm doing with my swing.

At this point, I have a hard time imagining myself ever using the bullwhip on a human being. SpectreT nailed it for me when he compared it to "playing with knives that travel faster than sound". Anyone who holds this thing in their hand, and swings full force, will know what he means too. This isn't really a tool, and definitely not a "toy". It's a weapon, and a powerful one.

I do think I'll keep practicing, though. My inner kid is having a great time.

By the way, I was doing some research and found this on Wikipedia:

"When cracked properly, the very end of the whip (the "cracker" or "popper") goes supersonic and a minor compression wave (sonic boom) is created. This sounds something like a small thunderclap. This loud noise was used to train cattle and keep them from straying, as well as to slay predators. While a bullwhip can be used for protection against stray cattle, it would be very rare for the herdsmen to actually strike the animal due to the damage that can be inflicted."

Knives travelling faster than sound. Yup, that describes it well.

To be fair, that was a quote from a theatrical workshop I attended. The truth of it doesn't quite hit you until you try to make the whip hit a specific target, or start trying to wrap it around a post or tree limb. Did some inadvertant pruning, and that's all I'm going to say about it...

 

[Netzach]

Politically incorrect statement follows:

I think it's good to be careful, but that the cutting danger of whips is sometimes overstated. I had to *work* to draw blood from H, who was begging me to.

As a newbie, I was made to feel like I'd kill someone just by picking the darn thing up and that I had to dedicate myself to the whip Gods and practise aceticism and chanting for 10 years before I dared touch another person with a whip.

I was made to feel this way by a lot of experienced whip guys.

Finally I queried a couple of these whip guys I am much more friendly with about how, exactly, one WOULD slice someone open so that I would know what NOT to do, if you know, I ever felt worthy of playing with a human. (Which was my goal, not stage cracking)

Both of them said "oh, well you'd have to really be trying to do that, you'd have to be all swinging wildly fake Indiana Jones and shit to really hurt someone now that you pretty much have aim and control."

I'd probably been ready to begin play with my 3 foot nylon whip and my boy pretty early on all along. Some of us just don't like to share our mystique I guess.

My point is still don't try this at home without a few lessons, go slowly and carefully if/when you do, but DON'T feel like you can't ever play with a human until you can snuff a candle.

I can turn a light switch off. About 1 in 9 times.

Much more happily, I've never hurt anyone more than they'd have liked with my singletail.

Knowing what a whip can do, my goal has always been to be able to be completely gentle and benign. It's much easier to ramp it up than it is to pull back if you are used to slicing and snapping things.

 

[JMohegan]

My point is still don't try this at home without a few lessons, go slowly and carefully if/when you do, but DON'T feel like you can't ever play with a human until you can snuff a candle.

I can turn a light switch off. About 1 in 9 times.

Much more happily, I've never hurt anyone more than they'd have liked with my singletail.

Knowing what a whip can do, my goal has always been to be able to be completely gentle and benign. It's much easier to ramp it up than it is to pull back if you are used to slicing and snapping things.

Once again, I get your point, Netzach. Well-stated, common sense, extremely helpful.

The thing with me is, I've got an inner little boy in addition to an inner top/sadist. The top/sadist appreciates the wisdom and value in your final paragraph. The little boy thinks it's one of the dumbest things he's ever read.

My inner kid gets a thrill from smashing things, making loud noises, and wielding weapons with a skill that he imagines is far more impressive than the reality could ever possibly be. Deep down, this boy is absolutely convinced that he is, in fact, Indiana Jones.... and a host of other action heroes, too.

Yes, I know how ridiculous this all makes me sound. Just lucky I'm self-confident enough to engage in self-mockery, and invite others to join in from time to time.

My point is this. The bullwhip extends my arm by 12 feet and makes it uber-powerful. Aside from the noises made by my partners during sex and SM play, that supersonic CRACK is the most awesome fucking sound I have ever heard in my life.

I don't plan to ramp it down..... not because I can't, but simply because I don't want to. I took up archery a few years ago, and got to the point where I could bullseye consistently, as well as hit an apple-sized bag of flour hanging from a tree about 50 yards away. Over & over again, dead on, right smack in the middle of the damn thing.

But will I ever order a partner to stand still with a bag of flour on her head? Hell no.

Some things I do to indulge my inner child, and some things I do to indulge my top/sadist. Rarely, if ever, is there overlap between the two.

 

[BeachGurl2]

The thing with me is, I've got an inner little boy in addition to an inner top/sadist. The top/sadist appreciates the wisdom and value in your final paragraph. The little boy thinks it's one of the dumbest things he's ever read.

My inner kid gets a thrill from smashing things, making loud noises, and wielding weapons with a skill that he imagines is far more impressive than the reality could ever possibly be. Deep down, this boy is absolutely convinced that he is, in fact, Indiana Jones.... and a host of other action heroes, too.

Yes, I know how ridiculous this all makes me sound. Just lucky I'm self-confident enough to engage in self-mockery, and invite others to join in from time to time.

[BRIEF HIJACK]
I'm sorry to interrupt your regularly scheduled programming, but I absolutely love this analogy. It is the most honest thing I think I've seen in a very long time. It doesn't sound ridiculous at all. And now I can just see you (even though I've never 'seen' you) with that 12 foot bull whip as a 10 year old boy with the Indiana Jones hat on walking around the woods trying it out. So thank you for the smile this morning, J.
[/END HIJACK]

 

[JMohegan]

Thanks, Beachgurl. Very kind of you to give me a pass on the ridiculous.

 

[neonflux]

JMohegan, not ridiculous at all...

Like Beachgurl, I got a kick out of imagining those two different play Personas of yours, LOL. Relatively new to formal BDSM, forgive me if this sounds pretentious (I am writing one week after finishing Cleo Dubois' Intensive for Dominant Women so have been thinking about this a lot over the past week). If self-knowledge is crucial for being both a truly skilled and an ethical top (and I think it is), you seem to have buckets-full. While primarily Domme, I am switch (more full power bottom/masochist, although I do sub for my primary BDSM partner, who is also switch) and your comments inspire not only affection but my immediate trust... ;D

The thing with me is, I've got an inner little boy in addition to an inner top/sadist. The top/sadist appreciates the wisdom and value in your final paragraph. The little boy thinks it's one of the dumbest things he's ever read.

My inner kid gets a thrill from smashing things, making loud noises, and wielding weapons with a skill that he imagines is far more impressive than the reality could ever possibly be. Deep down, this boy is absolutely convinced that he is, in fact, Indiana Jones.... and a host of other action heroes, too.

Yes, I know how ridiculous this all makes me sound. Just lucky I'm self-confident enough to engage in self-mockery, and invite others to join in from time to time.

 

[neonflux]

Return to the original question...

Hey Macgirl,

As mentioned in my previous post, am fairly new to formal BDSM, although before "jumping in" about 4 months ago after a BDSM cleansing done by a close friend, also fantasized about and had experimented with it a fair amount.

I am switch - primarily Domme but greatly enjoy being on the receiving end of pain - am what is sometimes referred to as a "full power bottom." I suspect that all of us who are masochists get something a little different from it. Physiologically, bottoming brings on an endorphin rush which induces a spiritual, trance-like state and a sense of extreme well-being (what's often referred to as "sub space"). What else do I get from bottoming? I enjoy testing my own physical limits and seeing how far I can push myself, I enjoy surrendering to someone I love and trust, I enjoy the feeling of being physically spent and totally relaxed after a particularly intense session, and I revel in the intimacy that results from such power play/exchange at its best (the last I also get when Topping).

One cautionary note should you decide to take this journey - and this is from my perspective so perhaps should be taken with a grain of salt. If i were to consider subbing for someone new, i would never trust anyone who insists or even prefers playing without a safe word (although I certainly understand why some people make this decision and there was no safe word during my cleansing). On a personal note, while surprise can add enjoyment to play (one of my Domme Personas is a particularly impish and mischievious Dandy-boi who adores playing tricks on a sub) i would never bottom for anyone who didn't take my own desires as seriously as Her (or His) own...

~Neon

Hi! My sexual history is very straight and I'm trying to learn more - explore different ideas of what turns me on. My experience is limited to being spanked by hand, and I fantasize about it often. Not something I experience now, but I still remember it.

But someone on Literotica the other day asked me if I've felt a whip or knew anything about them, and I realized I know nothing. And I really DO want to know. So I looked around these forums for more information, but without finding any simple answers.

Maybe there aren't any simple answers, but I thought I'd ask anyway: Could anyone with more experience tell me about why they enjoy (or don't enjoy) being whipped? What should I know before bringing this into my life (assuming I ever do...)?

Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Malapulga]

All for one?

I suspect we are on different planets...we don't need an audience for what we do which is why we avoid the club/party scene and just do our own thing 24/7. As to endurance, I'm sure you would be surprised to know what I endure.

Catalina

Yeah....I definitely don't get it. I thought subs were to be used for the pleasure of one or all. If seeing a girl get whipped would bring excitement and arousal to a group, it would be up to the group, not the sub if they were going to watch her experience the whip... ?

I would like to read some your descriptions (the more detailed the better) of some of the heavy pain you've endured for your master.

 

[Malapulga]

This is more like it...lol !

umm....snaking the whip so that it hit my thighs and blowing up my skirt every now and then. From there I was dragged by my pigtails to the center area and flogged for the length of a song, but man did I hunger for that whip.

This is what I'm talking about, an audience feeding off of each other's excitement while watching some cute wench get whipped.

I think it would be arousing if she were suspended by her hands so her feet were off the ground so you would witness a lot more thrashing around each time the whip hit. But that didn't happen here.

Anyone agree with that?

 

[BeachGurl2]

Yeah....I definitely don't get it. I thought subs were to be used for the pleasure of one or all. If seeing a girl get whipped would bring excitement and arousal to a group, it would be up to the group, not the sub if they were going to watch her experience the whip... ?

I would like to read some your descriptions (the more detailed the better) of some of the heavy pain you've endured for your master.

WARNING: SERIOUS RANT AHEAD

Are you being purposely obtuse? Up to the group? I guess if that's the relationship YOU have with YOUR sub, then maybe that would be true . . . not my brand of BDSM, but whatever gets you and your own sub off. To suggest that ALL subs are to be used at the whim of a group, specifically to Cat, is very telling. It just means that you haven't been paying attention. Maybe you need to back track a bit and do a little more reading on the boards before you start talking about things you have no knowledge of. Careful, your ignorance is showing.

 

[neonflux]

Malapulga, what worlds do you travel in? An alternative view...

Yeah....I definitely don't get it. I thought subs were to be used for the pleasure of one or all. If seeing a girl get whipped would bring excitement and arousal to a group, it would be up to the group, not the sub if they were going to watch her experience the whip... ?

No disrespect intended, but you and I must travel in very different worlds. Don't you ever treasure the women who submit to you, or undestand the incredible gift they give to you with their surrender? Don't you ever feel tenderness towards them? Don't you take responsibility for their safety - both physical and psychological - and of your actions and the control you excercise in your Dominant role?

I am assuming that you are male, heterosexual, and Top women? Your conceptions of BDSM seem to mirror patriarchal tropes common to traditional heterosexual porn. I'm sorry, but the image of flogging someone who is suspended in a hog-tied fashion in real life is a scary one - I've taken classes from both the Knotty Boys and Chanta Rose who have done a lot of the rope bondage for sites like Hogtied.com and they categorically state that those scenes are purely fantasy, the subs are suspended for less than 3 minutes at a time maximum, and to play that way in real life could result in serious permanent physical damage to the sub.

Have you ever read either "Consensual SadoMasochism" by Henkin and Holiday, or "The New Topping Book" by Easton and Liszt? Even just from an erotic perspective, I cannot imagine not wanting My partner's satisfaction. Why would a sub come back to me if she weren't also getting her desires met? We are diverse in our desires and it seems to me that if I don't understand those of My sub, he has no reason to want to play with Me again, to give Me the gift of his submission and surrender...

Within the BDSM communities of which I am becoming a part, there is a deep ethics. My Mentors include two Pro-Dommes and the Dom who did my cleansing. The later i sometimes bottom for and i have learned a great deal about Topping through these experiences. In His play He is extraordinarily skilled and sadistic, but never without a safeword. Speaking of whipping and the Little Boy with Toys persona, he can take a two-inch square piece of paper out of someone's mouth using one. In his everyday life he is one of the most loving and grounded people I know, including with his contracted 24/7 slave and his primary partner...

BTW, in case you are wondering, I do acknowledge My darkest side - I am discovering that I can be an extremely sadistic, cruel and demanding Mistress - I know my desires and I demand that they be met. This doesn't mean that I don't respect and treasure my sub...

~Neon

 

[neonflux]

A P.S... Joining in the very serious rant...

This last suggestion is just downright dangerous - the wrists CANNOT hold the body - you would dislocate her shoulders. You are a very, very scary man who doesn't know what he is doing - unless of course you are trolling and just trying to get a rise out of all of us, in which case, you're rude, instead.

I think it would be arousing if she were suspended by her hands so her feet were off the ground so you would witness a lot more thrashing around each time the whip hit. But that didn't happen here.

Anyone agree with that?

 

[BeachGurl2]

This last suggestion is just downright dangerous - the wrists CANNOT hold the body - you would dislocate her shoulders. You are a very, very scary man who doesn't know what he is doing - unless of course you are trolling and just trying to get a rise out of all of us, in which case, you're rude, instead.

Having been suspended by my hands while being pretty lightly flogged for a fairly short period of time, I can tell you from experience that it does put pressure on the wrists and shoulders, even when you have handles to hold onto. The kind of thrashing he is describing sounds painful - and not in a good way.

 

[Sheaf_Beast]

I dont really get it either

WARNING: SERIOUS RANT AHEAD

Are you being purposely obtuse? Up to the group? I guess if that's the relationship YOU have with YOUR sub, then maybe that would be true . . . not my brand of BDSM, but whatever gets you and your own sub off. To suggest that ALL subs are to be used at the whim of a group, specifically to Cat, is very telling. It just means that you haven't been paying attention. Maybe you need to back track a bit and do a little more reading on the boards before you start talking about things you have no knowledge of. Careful, your ignorance is showing.

safe, sane and consenual. RACK!

I play safe sane and consenually, do you really think that if I did something to someone in a scene that they did not really want to happen, would they ever ask me to do another scene with them again? The answer is no!

With all things that are dramatic and loud and attention getting there are magicians secrets.

No I am not gonna tell the exact secrets to what I do using a whip, saffety margins etc.

When someone is in a scene with me they generally ask to be there, first they choose to and next, they are just as big as a showoff as I am, we all have a bit of showoff in us.

Suspending someone by their wrist, well thats a short scene to say the least.

Suspend someone by their ankles, sure if they have the boots that fit and you have a set of inversions cuffs that I made, now that scene can last awhile.

Thus my rant comes to an end also, there are tricks, we are show offs, first and foremost is safety, and I doubt very serious that anyone would get very many scenes if that person did not honour the other persons safety and limits.


ps, last nite was singletail nite a good crowd and the 8' Rasmussen whip was as loud as a cannon. and a couple of the women went home with the X on their backs.

 

[BeachGurl2]

safe, sane and consenual. RACK!

I play safe sane and consenually, do you really think that if I did something to someone in a scene that they did not really want to happen, would they ever ask me to do another scene with them again? The answer is no!

With all things that are dramatic and loud and attention getting there are magicians secrets.

No I am not gonna tell the exact secrets to what I do using a whip, saffety margins etc.

When someone is in a scene with me they generally ask to be there, first they choose to and next, they are just as big as a showoff as I am, we all have a bit of showoff in us.

Suspending someone by their wrist, well thats a short scene to say the least.

Suspend someone by their ankles, sure if they have the boots that fit and you have a set of inversions cuffs that I made, now that scene can last awhile.

Thus my rant comes to an end also, there are tricks, we are show offs, first and foremost is safety, and I doubt very serious that anyone would get very many scenes if that person did not honour the other persons safety and limits.


ps, last nite was singletail nite a good crowd and the 8' Rasmussen whip was as loud as a cannon. and a couple of the women went home with the X on their backs.

I'm not sure I understand why you quoted my post in this response. I actually enjoy public play on occasion and have posted about it more than once. In fact, the suspension I mentioned above was in a dungeon in Phoenix - I am quite the exhibitionist when given the opportunity. My response to the OP was not in regards to the public portion of his post. It was in regards to his belief that all subs were to be used at the whim of anyone because they are subs. It is this belief that gets newbie subs into bad situations because some wannabee Dom has led them to believe this. If that is what the sub wants to submit to, then who am I to judge - consent and all. But the belief that ALL subs should feel this way is absurd. That was what I was addressing in my post.

 

[Sheaf_Beast]

I quoted you

I'm not sure I understand why you quoted my post in this response. I actually enjoy public play on occasion and have posted about it more than once. In fact, the suspension I mentioned above was in a dungeon in Phoenix - I am quite the exhibitionist when given the opportunity. My response to the OP was not in regards to the public portion of his post. It was in regards to his belief that all subs were to be used at the whim of anyone because they are subs. It is this belief that gets newbie subs into bad situations because some wannabee Dom has led them to believe this. If that is what the sub wants to submit to, then who am I to judge - consent and all. But the belief that ALL subs should feel this way is absurd. That was what I was addressing in my post.

because I am agreeing with you, some of the misnomers about scene play and whip play are to say the least have a bit on fantasy tossed in with them.

 

[BeachGurl2]

because I am agreeing with you, some of the misnomers about scene play and whip play are to say the least have a bit on fantasy tossed in with them.

Gotcha. Thank you for clearing that up. I had the feeling that you were disagreeing and I wasn't sure why.

Having visited the dungeon here in Phoenix and played there a few times, I've been lucky enough to see some true Masters at work. I never fail to be impressed by the care they take, even when being incredibly sadistic, to make sure their sub or bottom is safe. It always hits my buttons when novices come in a talk about things like this that they want to do, because their lack of experience can put someone in real danger.

 

[jadefirefly]

No disrespect intended, but you and I must travel in very different worlds. Don't you ever treasure the women who submit to you, or undestand the incredible gift they give to you with their surrender? Don't you ever feel tenderness towards them? Don't you take responsibility for their safety - both physical and psychological - and of your actions and the control you excercise in your Dominant role?

~Neon

No disrespect to you, neon, but you're wasting your words. I find it damn near impossible to believe that the man in question actually has a woman at all, much less one who is submissive to him. If he does, I truly feel pity for her.

What you have here is someone who sees this area as a glorified kind of story section -- somewhere he can come to, poke at the subbies, and see if he can get them to respond, because of course every Dom knows that all subs are raging nymphomaniacs who'll let anyone who wants to, use 'em.

Personally? I'm waiting for Cat to castrate 'im. I think he's barking up the wrong tree there; out of everyone on here, and he chooses her. Bad, bad move.

 

[neonflux]

You know...

I am sure you're right! Thank you for your words of wisdom. And cannot wait for the castration you speak of... 'Nuf said.

No disrespect to you, neon, but you're wasting your words. I find it damn near impossible to believe that the man in question actually has a woman at all, much less one who is submissive to him. If he does, I truly feel pity for her.

What you have here is someone who sees this area as a glorified kind of story section -- somewhere he can come to, poke at the subbies, and see if he can get them to respond, because of course every Dom knows that all subs are raging nymphomaniacs who'll let anyone who wants to, use 'em.

Personally? I'm waiting for Cat to castrate 'im. I think he's barking up the wrong tree there; out of everyone on here, and he chooses her. Bad, bad move.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Yeah....I definitely don't get it. I thought subs were to be used for the pleasure of one or all. If seeing a girl get whipped would bring excitement and arousal to a group, it would be up to the group, not the sub if they were going to watch her experience the whip... ?

I would like to read some your descriptions (the more detailed the better) of some of the heavy pain you've endured for your master.

LOL, well personally I chose to submit to one person only and that is how he likes it also...if he shares it is on his terms and watch out anyone who dares to think they can take advantage of his generosity. As to pain...hmmmm, I am sure there are enough descriptions and pics around here which record some of the special moments but the bloody ones might be more than you can handle.

Catalina