How Many of Us are Straight Faggots?

[ChrissyCD64]

If you touch, suck, or even fuck a cock and/or a man's mouth, ass, hand you are gay!

If you get turned-on, attracted to the same sex, and like to watch movies and focus on the guy and haven't done anything with the same sex you are bi-curious.

I don't believe in bi for guys for every "bi" guy I met, know of, and etc eventually go full gay.

In the end you are or will be gay so just say you are gay and be done with it.

That is so wrong! You are only gay or even bi, if you have had a man fuck your ass. Cock sucking, giving or receiving, and giving or getting hand jobs from another guy does not making you gay, or even bi, at all. That's just helping a buddy out.

 

[liqueur]

If you touch, suck, or even fuck a cock and/or a man's mouth, ass, hand you are gay!

If you get turned-on, attracted to the same sex, and like to watch movies and focus on the guy and haven't done anything with the same sex you are bi-curious.

I don't believe in bi for guys for every "bi" guy I met, know of, and etc eventually go full gay.

In the end you are or will be gay so just say you are gay and be done with it.

You are talking through your asshole. You can not define anyone else's identity for them. And, pushing 70 now, I think I know myself—certainly better than you do—and can say with certainty that the fact that I love cock is not going to magically make me stop loving women.

 

[liqueur]

You are talking through your asshole....

whoops! I hadn't read through the whole thread yet. I guess I was being a bit redundant.

 

[liqueur]

I Call Myself a Straight Faggot. I Love everything about women, and have little use for most other men, but crave to bottom for a top guy. It's my kink, but I can't explain it.
The stories I've posted on Literotica are all about men who considered themselves straight but end up with cocks in their mouths - and asses.
The humiliation aspect is central, and in my favorite stories one man tops another in front of other people, much to my hero's shame and disgrace.

Donald. this thread is ancient, I don't know if you're even following it anymore or not, But— I don't care much for your term, any more than I do for any other of the terms that in my mind translate as "straight...but not really" I am proudly bi, and call myself that.

All the same, I do like your concept, especially the public humiliation aspect. And even though I'm bi, I do occasionally like to be called faggot because it does have that humiliating ring to it. I'll take a look at your stories.

 

[LupusDei]

It is NOT my thing, but I suppose I approach it from a different perspective.
I am perfectly straight. Under MOST circumstances I would NEVER ever want to sexually service a guy in any way, it makes me squeamish. And it would be traumatizing to be topped, sexually, by a man in most circumstances.

I could start with the same disclaimer. I'm not even bi-curious, as I'm NOT looking for it. Still, I'm at least 3-5% bisexual, knowing for fact, although I never have acted on it.

I'm not a real crossdresser, although have been a beautiful girl in some occasions and even teased my male cousins into near madness as a girl. I know my female aspect, and sometimes say I don't masturbate, I have sex with myself: between the male and female self as two different aspects or even persons. I know that sounds totally narcissistic, and probably is, and a bit schizo on top.

And then, one day... imagine 6'+ 250lb blonde man who can't buy a leather jacket because his shoulders can't fit into the standard sleeves comes to a nearly 7' tall lanky readhead who can't buy boots because nobody believes people within that shoe size exist in reality, and starts something like:

"Listen friend, I don't know how to start this, but I want to be your girl."

"Man... I know that vodka yesterday was made from some bad dinosaur oil, but..."

"Nah, it's not that, I'm serious. I know, you have a girlfriend, I gave a girlfriend, and by the way feel none less for her, but... I know you have beautiful 8" cock, but that's even not that... It's something totally different. It's crazy, but I'm falling for you, hard, and just want to be cuddled by you, be a girl for you, and..."

Well, we were so great friends he took me seriously, and then, he couldn't just beat my face anyway, it was me who stepped in for him when faces needed to be beaten, lol. Finally the argument with with he got out of this situation was exactly that, that we are too good of friends to risk it with sex shit. And so we remained at that, that we might've been just the right first men for each other, but not this time around. And so I'm still perfectly straight quarter of a century later, but know to myself it isn't necessarily a sure thing.

 

[liqueur]

....6'+ 250lb blonde man who can't buy a leather jacket because his shoulders can't fit into the standard sleeves comes to a nearly 7' tall lanky redhead who can't buy boots because nobody believes people within that shoe size exist in reality, and starts something like:

"Listen friend, I don't know how to start this, but I want to be your girl."

"Man... I know that vodka yesterday was made from some bad dinosaur oil, but..."

I love it!!!

 

[oneblueye]

hey...

This shit pisses me off. I absolutely didn't stop liking women when I started sucking dick. That's just not how sexuality works for some of us. There are a lot of gay guys who had to pretend to be straight for a long time, so they "go full gay" because they were ALWAYS full gay, they were just lying to themselves about being attracted to women.

Some of us aren't like that. Gender genuinely doesn't even register to me. The whole concept of a gender binary was always really, really difficult for me to grasp because it just does not matter to me. It's not on my radar. I like people, and I like sex, and it doesn't matter to me what equipment they're working with for any reasons that aren't practical, like if I'm with someone with a vagina and I want a good deep dicking I know I'm going to have buy a strap-on, which is, honestly the only time that's ever come up, because in my head most body parts are the same. Like the same exact part of my brain that makes my dick shoot over over a bouncy pair of tits will do it for a great set of pecs.

Bisexual people are not gay folks with one foot in the closet. I've ALWAYS been bi, even as a a kid getting his first schoolboy crushes. And it doesn't go away, you just deal with it if you're in love and monogamous, because you're in love and monogamous.

I'm sorry if this came off as aggressive it's just that people say this shit so much. I'm not some dumbass teenager trying to find an identity anymore. I'm a grown-ass adult who knows what he likes, and it happens to be the whole fucking buffet.

It's not my fault that y'all wanna build boxes for yourselves and won't let me out of them.

And OP, you're bisexual. We have a word for what you're feeling already and if I'm being real the way you say "faggot" is kinda offputting. I'm not trying to police your language because I say it too, it just rubbed me the wrong way how you used it. You're also probably a sub and definitely a bottom, and I really hope that you find a top/dom who'll treat you right because you sound like me when I was a dumb teenager who just discovered that there were people willing to put their dicks in me, and that mindset leads to biting off more than you can chew.

I don't mean this to sound insulting, I think I'm just in a shitty mood because I can't stand having my identity erased, and I'm a blunt person anyway, so please understand that this is coming from a place of experience and love.

If you are a dumb subby slut, like I- I was gonna say 'was' but let's not kid ourselves, I still am I'm just older and can control myself better now- you're more prone to take risks because it is REAL easy to just be like, "Ooooh, DICK! GIVE ME! I CAN TAKE IT!"

And that's just a great way to get hurt on so many levels. I have gotten blood infections from tearing because of that mindset. That "harder, faster, more, call me a fag, I don't want to be able to walk, bite me, use me" mindset. You need to know that when you're doing that, you're probably in subspace, and you can be the smartest person in the world and still hurt yourself. You don't remember that you're not invincible, you don't remember that condoms are a thing, you don't remember that you need to not plaster that shit everywhere because it will bite you in the ass eventually and people will take advantage of it. You need to find a great guy that you trust- ONE to start out, god, don't be me, and work your way up. One who can control you and will protect you.

And Jesus Christ when you get that... I'm not gonna lie, it's everything you want, it's better than you think it's gonna be, and you absolutely will love it. Go in peace, my friend, and find the dick you deserve. Figure out where you are on the spectrum, and don't let anyone define that for you-

Outside of a scene because yeah, fit in whatever box you need while you're in it to get the humiliation kink.

Sexuality is a spectrum, it's complex, and you use whatever label you want. You do whatever you want.

I can so agree and relate on most every level of this subject, which you speak...

 

[donaldelliott11]

Chargergirl -

I Call Myself a Straight Faggot. I Love everything about women, and have little use for most other men, but crave to bottom for a top guy. It's my kink, but I can't explain it.
Another is the seduction of a sub guy in front of or alongside his woman:
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Chargergirl, mod of Fet. Central

I was once told, in a PM from a very very very senior person here, that ASSTR is, uniquely, allowed. I no longer remember the links you cut, so I am unsure if any of them were asstr.org.

 

[donaldelliott11]

Some people are struggling with the definitions of "straight", "bi", and "gay". Problem is, most of us have a particular definition in mind, and think no other definition is correct. If one of us is telling the other that we're using the wrong words, we're not having a productive discussion.

I can only speak for myself, but I can't see how I'm "gay" if I don't like men. I rarely enjoy their company, or their behavior.

If only women, those lovely breasted creatures, had cocks. That would be AWESOME. Hey, wait, you mean some DO? Tranny porn? I'm there in a flash. Kind of separates the "bottoming for a bigger dude" from the "I want to suck a cock".

Finally, and it scares me to explore my own feelings much in this area, but maybe the issue isn't where I fit on the gay-straight spectrum, but instead where I fit on the male-female spectrum.

 

[KDLeon]

Wow...everyone is all over the map on this topic and I noticed at least one female poster (or so claimed) to not understand this concept at all. Adding to the varied opinions and perspectives I think we might not agree on the definition of "bisexual" or "gay". I feel there is a difference between being "gay" and having a desire to have a sexual experience with the same sex. To believe they are the same thing one would have to believe that the ONLY defining characteristic of a gay person in someone who has sex with people of the same sex. I think that is a very narrow perspective and wrong.

I have always been attracted to women and think they are the most beautiful things on the planet. I love and adore women. I was raised a nudist and saw more naked men and women before the age of 6 than most will see in a lifetime. I have seen men, women, girl and boys of all shapes and sizes. I am only attracted to women in a loving, romantic and intimate way. I have never felt an attraction like that to any man. I do not find men to be "beautiful" and I am not attracted to men the way I am to women. I think truly gay men would have the completely opposite perspective. Non of that has anything to do with a sex act.

Having said that, I have a desire to suck a cock. especially that of an older man. I like the idea of being somewhat sub/fem to him and servicing him. I have been aware of being aroused by the idea of this since I was in my mid-teens. I think I would have been (and certainly am now) very receptive to being encouraged to explore this desire by another mature man who I am comfortable with and who fits my "type". BUT..... I have never had any desire or interest in being romantic or intimate with a man, nor do I have any desire or interest in kissing or cuddling a man. Even the idea of men kissing each other passionately creeps me out. I do like like seeing men kissing. I do not watch gay porn. I have never lusted over a man because I thought he was "beautiful". I don't enjoy watching men sucking each other, or doing anything else sexual together. I am only interested in taking a "typically female" role with another man. Only recently have I also become interested in being fucked by a man, yet I have NO interest in fucking a man. A guy's ass does nothing for me, yet I enjoy anal sex with a woman is she desires to have it. I don;t think any of this makes me "gay", or a "faggot", whatever the hell that means.

A man having the desire to dress as a woman is something else entirely. Some men who have a desire to dress as a woman have no interest at all in being sexual with a man. Others might consider themselves completely gay. Dressing feminine is separate from being "gay". Personally I have no interest in dressing or acting fem. My interest in taking the female sexual role with a man is all an internal thing for me.

I have no idea why I have a desire to have a sexual experience with a man, no more than anyone else knows why they do or don't have the desires they have, or don't have. I know I am not gay. I don't want to marry a man. I don;t want to be in any kind of intimate or romantic relationship with a man. And that will never change. I am not in denial of my "true sexuality" that I am somehow repressing. I am very aware of my sexual interests and desires. I also very aware of my romantic and relationship needs and desires.

I find sucking cock to be a very erotic experience. But I am not gay.

I am also not "bisexual". For a person to be truly "bisexual" they would have the same desires, interests and feelings for women and men. I think few people are bisexual, but call themselves that because they have an interest in having a sexual experience with a same-sex partner. I don;t think that's enough to call oneself bisexual.

(I welcome PM's on this subject from anyone who would like to share their opinion. I find it fascinating to hear what others have experienced and what their fantasies and desires are.)

 

[LupusDei]

Finally, and it scares me to explore my own feelings much in this area, but maybe the issue isn't where I fit on the gay-straight spectrum, but instead where I fit on the male-female spectrum.

This.

A huge thing in understanding oneself and own sexuality is to get over this and admit that nearly no one is strictly locked in single gender "box" or role or feelings. There's all sorts of combinations. The space of those definitions is multidimensional, probably even N>3 multidimensional, so it's genuinely incomprehensible in the entirety, only unique projections can be construed and analysed.

For example, while I'm very aware of limited but rather pronounced female aspect in me, she's very distinct from my male self.

It was exactly the female me that fell in love with that one guy. By definitions I use that make me rather bi not gay. No, it's not defensive, there's nothing wrong in being gay, only that the pure of it would be a male male man (not a typo, I wanted that triple qualification here) attracted to a male male man. My case was a male female unspecified attracted to male male man.

Nothing beats a shy but naughty female female girl woman, but I'm also quite fascinated by female male women, even while unfortunately i find many of them visually ugly, sometimes even seemingly intentionally made themselves so, but the rare beautiful ones, I'm smitten. No, it's not the same as muscular female female women whom I adore also. Female female men are stunning too, but I don't realy understand female male men, and I'm mostly repulsed by male female men (other than myself) unless it's going into solid trans territory of male female women, who are mostly visually pleasing but sexually not overly exciting to the male me (probably because i have absolutely no desire to suck cock), but may make female me crazy (she's quite a bit of a lesbian, I recon).

Rereading the previous paragraph made my own head spin, so, sorry for that, but I don't know how else to speak about this. The temple likely used was: primary_biological_sex gender_psychology [appearance] gender_role.

 

[KDLeon]

This.

A huge thing in understanding oneself and own sexuality is to get over this and admit that nearly no one is strictly locked in single gender "box" or role or feelings. There's all sorts of combinations. The space of those definitions is multidimensional, probably even N>3 multidimensional, so it's genuinely incomprehensible in the entirety, only unique projections can be construed and analysed.

For example, while I'm very aware of limited but rather pronounced female aspect in me, she's very distinct from my male self.

It was exactly the female me that fell in love with that one guy. By definitions I use that make me rather bi not gay. No, it's not defensive, there's nothing wrong in being gay, only that the pure of it would be a male male man (not a typo, I wanted that triple qualification here) attracted to a male male man. My case was a male female unspecified attracted to male male man.

Nothing beats a shy but naughty female female girl woman, but I'm also quite fascinated by female male women, even while unfortunately i find many of them visually ugly, sometimes even seemingly intentionally made themselves so, but the rare beautiful ones, I'm smitten. No, it's not the same as muscular female female women whom I adore also. Female female men are stunning too, but I don't realy understand female male men, and I'm mostly repulsed by male female men (other than myself) unless it's going into solid trans territory of male female women, who are mostly visually pleasing but sexually not overly exciting to the male me (probably because i have absolutely no desire to suck cock), but may make female me crazy (she's quite a bit of a lesbian, I recon).

Rereading the previous paragraph made my own head spin, so, sorry for that, but I don't know how else to speak about this. The temple likely used was: primary_biological_sex gender_psychology [appearance] gender_role.

I'm not sure you even understand what you wrote. I certainly don't. It's hard to read, much less begin to understand what the hell your point is. You seem to work to hard trying to identify yourself.....to yourself. What's the point?

 

[KDLeon]

Ignore what I wrote above. I just read your bio. Actually, tried to read it. I couldn't. But what I read explained enough.

 

[LupusDei]

Ignore what I wrote above. I just read your bio. Actually, tried to read it. I couldn't. But what I read explained enough.

Last winter I went to a month long psychiatry evaluation program and they said I'm not crazy, just passive-aggressive. I was disappointed, a little.

 

[liqueur]

I was once told, in a PM from a very very very senior person here, that is, uniquely, allowed. I no longer remember the links you cut, so I am unsure if any of them were asstr.org.

As well it should be. I "graduated" from ASSTR to here, so very many years ago.

 

[liqueur]

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Finally, and it scares me to explore my own feelings much in this area, but maybe the issue isn't where I fit on the gay-straight spectrum, but instead where I fit on the male-female spectrum.

There it is. I remember what an eye-opener it was for me when I first latched onto the distinction between these two dichotomies. Or not so much a distinction, because they are like two continua that can be graphed at 90° from each other, making 4 quadrants. Except your location in those quadrants can shift day by day. Wow!

For me, it set off my whole adventure in gender studies.The separation between these two things is something the American public, as a whole, still doesn't grasp after all these years.

 

[KDLeon]

There it is. I remember what and eye-opener it was for me when I first latched onto the distinction between these to dichotomies. Or not so much a distinction, because they are like two continua that can be graphed at 90° from each other, making 4 quadrants. Except your location in those quadrants can shift day by day. Wow!

For me, it set off my whole adventure in gender studies.The separation between these two things is something the American public, as a whole, still doesn't grasp after all these years.

No, they don't grasp it.....because it's not a real thing. It's all BS to allow people to feel "special" and more significant, having a unique "gender identity" that can even change on a whim. What tripe. All of this narcissistic naval-gazing to find some meaning and identity in your life. You aren't that much different than half of the species. So trying to be special and important just because you want to have everyone see you that way. You're not. No one is going to care about you because of your self-proclaimed uniqueness, which you have (of course!) so dramatically struggled with all of your pathetic life. Your a man or a woman. Stop making it complicated. It's not. No matter how many progressives claim it to be. Or how often they try to shove it in our faces. Stop buying into the psychological babble and BS.

 

[KDLeon]

Last winter I went to a month long psychiatry evaluation program and they said I'm not crazy, just passive-aggressive. I was disappointed, a little.

I think you made my point. Again.

 

[donaldelliott11]

No one will ever accuse KD of being passive-aggressive.

 

[Smallchange4]

I in general have no sexual attraction to men except in some context with my SPH fetish. I require some level of female presence or involvement when I have interacted sexually with another guy. In these scenarios I am always the submissive and enjoy the female participant(s) to at least witness me being outmanned so to speak. My arousal at the sight of another man's cock is only in relation to it being bigger than mine and some female knowing or witnessing this. I have submitted to being fucked by another guy on a number of occasions in front of a female and my arousal is based on this more so than the act itself.

 

[CandiCame]

I'm not sure you even understand what you wrote. I certainly don't. It's hard to read, much less begin to understand what the hell your point is. You seem to work to hard trying to identify yourself.....to yourself. What's the point?

How is that difficult to understand? He's still incorporating his fem side and has two separate gender identities for those two aspects. That's... not hard to understand at all.

I'm genderfluid. I bounce around that spectrum. I somehow kind of avoided getting indoctrinated into the binary- I always kind of instinctively knew it was a spectrum, but a lot of people when they're exploring their gender identity tend to classify their non-gender-conforming schemas as a separate entity. They'll give her another name and everything. They feel like it helps them pass better, too, because it sort of changes the mindset.

I don't have a separate fem identity. I just live my life and let people identify me however they want. I don't get offended by being misgendered or anything, because I don't have a stagnant gender identity. But I also recognize that I have passing privilege and not everyone does, and that's the primary reason people have two separate identities- because they don't look like me, and the way I look gives the luxury of not having to do that because my biological sex isn't super obvious at a glance the way it is with some genderfluid people.

People in our society still largely determine your gender role by your appearance. Another poster unironically used the word "tranny". That's the world we live in. So some people have to separate their feminine and masculine aspects into two separate entities. Mostly because folks like you come in and act like this shit is weird or difficult to understand when it's actually not, or try to make gender a rigid binary when it's actually a spectrum, so people raised in that environment feel like they need those two separate identities- one for each of the two boxes that are the only place y'all will let people live.

KD, you're the one who's making it complicated, because you want to take a spectrum and make it a binary for... no reason. Genderfluid people don't want attention, we want y'all to cut out the complicated bullshit and just let us live our lives. Like literally if y'all would shut up and quit your bitchin this would cease to be an issue in two generations.

Millenials are killing the gender industry, btw. My generation is not willing to put up with this bullshit. And Gen Z has no plans to revive it. They system that you want, that has no basis in biology, wasn't really a thing until around the 1950s- every culture in the world has genderfluid people, all through human history, and the nonsense idea that we need a binary has lived it's short life. It's dying, and we've already got the grave dug. So if you're not part of the future get the fuck out of the way.

We're here, we're genderqueer- get used to it. Let somebody take a piss in peace. Y'all kill me with this shit.

And it's not like we don't know why you're doing it. Everybody who's been called a "trap" or a "tranny" knows why y'all are like this. It's because y'all aren't strong in your sexual orientation identity, and you want that to be our fault. It ain't my fault that you thought you were straight until you saw a pretty boy in a pretty dress. It not anybody's fault that you thought you were gay until you found out your date's dick came in a box. People ain't out here trying to trap you. That's the very definition of a personal problem.

This is very, very similar to the other poster who said that bisexuality didn't exist. Bisexual people exist. Genderfluid people exist. Genderfluid people are more likely to be bisexual, because gender, by definition, doesn't really matter to us. It isn't on our radar. We treat men and women the same because those are not distinctions to us- so why the fuck would we not be attracted to people of all genders? Gender is a social construct with no meaning.

You can be sexually attracted to different sex characteristics, like beards, or tits, or dicks, or literally any body part. Straight and gay people exist. But sex and gender aren't the same thing. And all those things can be bought and sold. What a time to be alive.

I don't understand why people are limiting themselves. Like what you like. Be who you are. If you're a straight dude who likes fem people- then fuck fem people. Eat that pussy like it's the nectar of the gods. But if you see a dick you want to suck, you don't have to have a whole goddamn identity crisis about it. Labels can be super helpful, but don't let them limit you. Just be who you are. And I know we have a rigid society that pushes shit on us. I know it takes a lot to work through all that, and to get past people like KD. But you will eventually learn, at least in your own mind, to understand that those people can go fuck themselves. You might not be able to come out of the closet, but you can know who you are and you can live your life with that knowledge and it gets so much better once you're able to do that, once you're able to identify yourself, even if it is just to yourself.

Guys, stay safe out there. Stay strong. I know it's hard to see sometimes, but I have to believe that things are going to get better. The world is changing, and we have to have hope. We've got science and logic on our side. They've got a few decades of nonsense, and overall, people are smart and decent. We have to believe that eventually everything is going to be ok.

 

[triciakintoronto]

fyi all
I wanna meet one of u!!!!!!

 

[KDLeon]

"gender-fluid", "non-binary", "poly", etc., etc., etc..... all created terms for those who don't want a committed relationship (or heaven forbid, marriage) with someone and treat sex as just some activity to do with anyone who will do it with you. Most people don't chose that lifestyle, and those terms are relatively new. But it apparently is more common now, which I came to realize after reading the weekly sex diaries posted on the website "thecut.com". It seems casual sex with just about anyone, without intimacy or love is a regular activity for many. At least those who are willing to have their diary posted publicly - which makes me question how honest and "un-enhanced" they are, but the general casual attitude towards sex is prevalent. The same with pot smoking. And seeing a therapist. They all talk about seeing their therapist. Gee! BIG surprise there, eh?

The terms try to make it sound high-minded and esoteric but it's not. You want to be sexual without commitment with anyone who will drop their pants for you. That used to be called something different than the terms you prefer to use. But it's no different. You want to have sex with men and/or women, together or separately, while you feel 23% female and 56% male and 21% other, or however the hell you want to define it today. It's psycho-babble and total BS. Get over yourself and stop leading with your sexuality. No one cares how fem you feel today, or yesterday, or tomorrow. No one cares who you have sex with, yet you want to define yourself by that alone.

 

[KDLeon]

BTW, what the fuck is the "gender industry"?? You are tilting at windmills, no?

 

[liqueur]

"gender-fluid", "non-binary", "poly", etc., etc., etc..... all created terms for those who don't want a committed relationship (or heaven forbid, marriage) with someone and treat sex as just some activity to do with anyone who will do it with you. Most people don't chose that lifestyle, and those terms are relatively new. .

You speak of things you know nothing about. I think if your only purpose in this thread is to trash talk everyone whose experience is different than yours (e.g. Lupus Dei, who comes from a very different culture than yours, and is not a native English speaker—and yet you're all over his mode of expression like a self-important middle-school grammar teacher), then what you need to do is shut the fuck up and get out.

To say these terms have anything to do (for instance) the ability to maintain a committed relationship is not only insulting, it's profoundly ignorant. Meanwhile. the fact that you know nothing about gender theory does not make it bullshit. It's people who try to define other people's experience of themselves who are bullshitters.