How straying too far from reality is ruining your stories

The only problem I see with all of these LW stories is the category is badly named. Just rename the category "cuckold stories".

I see it's been an issue for years as to how to deal with people that vote slam or comment slam just because they dislike a category... and I don't have good ideas on that topic.

People come here to read about various kinks and fetishes. Find the ones you want to read about - and only complain when an author publishes in the wrong category and whoever approved the story failed to catch it. Otherwise... just learn to read the categories you like.

And yeah I know - I am asking too much.

When I see a post title complaining about realism I expect the topic inside of it to be complaining about the stuff I write: naked fantasy worlds with magic, naked AI robots learning about sex and life, and super heroes who's powers only work when they're naked. Not that I have any sort of theme or anything... but yeah. Those stories violate realism.

So... my second ask, and I guess again I'm asking too much; please title your complaint threads properly. I came in here for the race, and discovered I have no horse in it.
Back in the day Loving wives was appropriately named. The tag line "stories of adventurous wives" was fitting, and back then it was more in the sense of the husband on board with the extramarital action, there were even romance stories. The name seems off now because the neighborhood went down hill when two things happened.

The women hating roaches who spew abuse and venom at make believe women, the 'faggot' husband who puts up with her, and all manner of threats to the equally made up other man.

What makes it worse is authors who write these stories knowing what they're stirring up, knowing they'll be abused for it but doing it anyway.

Another thing making the category worse is in my neighborhood analogy when an area goes downhill, the good folks leave. Authors who want to write an actual cuck story now post in fetish where it goes over better with less incels. Some authors have left entirely, some readers as well because its too much trouble to have to weed through the shit to find the rare good stories now.

How to fix it? No idea, well I have ideas, but the site will never do anything about it. They're busy removing comments with opinions they don't like, but let the hate speech flow like honey.

But if we were playing what if...I'd

Eliminate anonymous, want to comment, you need an ID. That's still anonymous, but a lot of these types are so cowardly even that little bit of identification would scare some off.

Eliminate Burn the bitch stories. They are not erotic, they feature hatred and abuse of women and get cheered on by jackals who jerk off to said abuse of women. Get rid of them, more of them leave.

Have someone who's job it is to delete every comment that's a personal attack or hate speech, things like your story sucks are fine, comments about bitches and fags and racist comments all say see ya.

Couple months of all of those things and I think that category could bounce back as the roaches check out of the motel

But nothing is going to happen. We get lip service about not wanting X content, then we have this entire category
 
Back in the day Loving wives was appropriately named. The tag line "stories of adventurous wives" was fitting, and back then it was more in the sense of the husband on board with the extramarital action, there were even romance stories. The name seems off now because the neighborhood went down hill when two things happened.

The women hating roaches who spew abuse and venom at make believe women, the 'faggot' husband who puts up with her, and all manner of threats to the equally made up other man.

What makes it worse is authors who write these stories knowing what they're stirring up, knowing they'll be abused for it but doing it anyway.

Another thing making the category worse is in my neighborhood analogy when an area goes downhill, the good folks leave. Authors who want to write an actual cuck story now post in fetish where it goes over better with less incels. Some authors have left entirely, some readers as well because its too much trouble to have to weed through the shit to find the rare good stories now.

How to fix it? No idea, well I have ideas, but the site will never do anything about it. They're busy removing comments with opinions they don't like, but let the hate speech flow like honey.

But if we were playing what if...I'd

Eliminate anonymous, want to comment, you need an ID. That's still anonymous, but a lot of these types are so cowardly even that little bit of identification would scare some off.

Eliminate Burn the bitch stories. They are not erotic, they feature hatred and abuse of women and get cheered on by jackals who jerk off to said abuse of women. Get rid of them, more of them leave.

Have someone who's job it is to delete every comment that's a personal attack or hate speech, things like your story sucks are fine, comments about bitches and fags and racist comments all say see ya.

Couple months of all of those things and I think that category could bounce back as the roaches check out of the motel

But nothing is going to happen. We get lip service about not wanting X content, then we have this entire category
I agree with everything you said except for the admins deleting hateful comments.

I can delete such comments on my own stories. But I leave them because they are someone's opinion (ignorant as it may be). If they wanted to reduce just 2 or 3% of such comment automatically, they would ban "26thNC" (named user) comments. Then another 2-3% with banning "wargamer".

So, there's no stopping hateful $h!theads. We just need to grow a thicker skin to tune them out.
 
If you need a whole paragraph to explain what a category term means, and still can't get people to agree, then it's a bad category name.

Loving Wives is just a bad term, the reflexive interpretation of that is happy monogamy. Not happy unfaithfulness.

Cuckhold doesn't by definition mean lack of agreement or consent. But it does by definition mean the woman has a male partner outside the marriage. You need almost no extra wording to explain how a cuckhold story might also be a happy one.

And it's almost instantly going to warn off people who are looking to read about monogamy. Whereas until I read the 'details' - the term 'Loving Wives' implies monogamy. Having a category name where the normal meaning of the term is the opposite of how it's being used just creates confusion.

I don't view the people review slamming stories in the LW category as troll, I view them as the ones who by normal English are actually correct.

I agree the category is poorly named; it feels like they went for humour over clarity. I can understand a new reader wandering in and being surprised by what they find.

But if I go to an unfamiliar country and find that everybody else is driving on the wrong side of the road, my first thought isn't "look at all these assholes who don't know how to drive", it's "maybe it works differently here and my expectation was wrong". A lot of the LW flamers seem to have been there for years, more than long enough to understand what the category is.

I have pretty strong opinions about the distinction between BDSM and nonconsent, and I've seen more than one story on this site posted to BDSM that should've been NC. That annoys me, but I don't take it out on the authors because they're not setting the classification policy.
 
I've been lurking and reading for several months now, and just created a profile this week. I decided that a PSA would be beneficial to the authors, so here it is.

The problem isn't writing about stuff that's fantasy, and likely wouldn't happen in real life (incest/taboo category largely falls into this category), what ruins stories is when writers stray too far away from human nature. For example, the cuckold stories. While there is a minority of people out there that get off on watching their spouse having sex with someone else, the vast majority of people DON'T. The problem that I've seen over and over again is where authors have an example of the latter (NOT okay with being cucked) that make the cuck tolerate it, in some cases for YEARS. Sorry, but if someone isn't okay with being cucked, they're NOT going to put up with it, PERIOD, especially for years on end. THIS is how you are ruining your story.

The other category that I would like to point out is the "too stupid or stubborn" category. Yes, there are people that ARE pretty stupid and stubborn out there, but even they will eventually come to realize that their marriage is over because they were caught cheating or being a serial homewrecker and going after married person after married person. NO ONE is that stupid.

Yes, these stories are fiction, and yes we all enjoy fantasy and escapism, but don't stray too far from how most reasonable people would react to a situation. It's okay to stray SOME, but when you take it too far it ruins your story EVERY TIME.
How far is too far? What is the way "most reasonable people" would react to a given situation? Cuckoldry, or swinging, or sharing or whatever. Responses to these events are as varied as we are. There's an infinite variety of preferences out there, or perversions if you will. Kinks. Some set us off like dynamite, while leaving others cold. I haven't seen a huge preponderance of stories in LW that feature, as you suggest, cuckold stories where the one being cuckolded is unwillingly subjected to it for years. What I see most of is stories where the husband actively encourages his wife to have sex with other men, and then events unfold, one way or another. And of course the BTB stuff, which I personally ignore. What I don't understand is why the sad types who bitch and moan about cuck stories in LW are there at all. Outrage over seeing the term "Loving Wives", and then being waylaid by stories featuring- gasp, choke- infidelity, adultery, cuckoldry, wittols? Oh, my! I agree the category "Loving Wives" is an inexact term. Could be misinterpreted. But then as has been pointed out, it also says "married extra-marital fun. Swinging, sharing and more". When you read this, you must know what to expect in the category. Maybe those so offended by extramarital sex should have their own category.
 
I've been lurking and reading for several months now, and just created a profile this week. I decided that a PSA would be beneficial to the authors, so here it is.

The problem isn't writing about stuff that's fantasy, and likely wouldn't happen in real life (incest/taboo category largely falls into this category), what ruins stories is when writers stray too far away from human nature. For example, the cuckold stories. While there is a minority of people out there that get off on watching their spouse having sex with someone else, the vast majority of people DON'T. The problem that I've seen over and over again is where authors have an example of the latter (NOT okay with being cucked) that make the cuck tolerate it, in some cases for YEARS. Sorry, but if someone isn't okay with being cucked, they're NOT going to put up with it, PERIOD, especially for years on end. THIS is how you are ruining your story.

The other category that I would like to point out is the "too stupid or stubborn" category. Yes, there are people that ARE pretty stupid and stubborn out there, but even they will eventually come to realize that their marriage is over because they were caught cheating or being a serial homewrecker and going after married person after married person. NO ONE is that stupid.

Yes, these stories are fiction, and yes we all enjoy fantasy and escapism, but don't stray too far from how most reasonable people would react to a situation. It's okay to stray SOME, but when you take it too far it ruins your story EVERY TIME.

A vast majority of people read or watch movies for entertainment purposes. They also do not read or watch movies that do not entertain them. If we talk about what is actually reality then, must be every woman on the planet is a cheating whore. Loving (or not so loving) Wives is always about cheating women and a popular category here. It does not mean the reader wants to be cheated on or has been cheated on. I am not sure why it is called Loving Wives but I don't worry about it. I stay out of the categories I do not like.
 
Loving (or not so loving) Wives is always about cheating women and a popular category here.
The LW stories are not always about cheating.

There's a t-shirt saying "It's not cheating if he [or she] is watching"

So, once again, the category is "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more." It's the trolls, BTB authors, and the moral police who have stripped out the FUN part of that.
 
I'm reading here various opinions of "reality" of sex.

How many different sex partners have you experienced to actually KNOW what the majority of others REALLY think about a socially taboo subject like sex?

Have you met a woman who really WANTS two (or more) guys fucking her at the same time? How many wives do you know who want to go down on another woman while their husband is fucking her from behind? Have you ever really met a wife who has watched her own husband fuck another woman, and who wants to see him do it again, actually scheduling it with another woman for him? Have you ever met and talked openly about sex with a M-to-F trans and heard WHY they made the transition (in an open, friendly, and non-judgmental discussion)? If you haven't met people like these, then your real-life experiences are limited to a restricted subset of humanity.

In my experience, MOST people only talk about sex in a roundabout way and wouldn't want to be caught visiting a sex toy shop. But when people realize they are among a group of like-minded people, their real desires and fantasies are more likely expressed.

My wife and I talk more openly with each other AND with others. She'll openly describe her sex toy collection with her female friends in Book Club, and she tells me of their reactions, half of whom begin opening up with their own positive opinions. So, many are repressed in what they truly think and discuss.

And as I wrote in "Lifestyle Ch. 04: Mentors", the older experienced couple's husband says:
"He laughed as he looked at me. "How are you going to feel watching another guy stick his cock in your wife's mouth? Or watching his cum drip out of her? You really won't know how you'll feel until it happens. And if you don't like it, you won't like the guy who did it. So, it won't be me."

As for recategorizing or renaming "Loving Wives", ... READ the LW description! "Loving Wives - Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more." What part of that says: "Burn the bitch!"??? That's why those of us who write the APPROPRIATE "Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing" stories refer to the majority of the commenters and raters there as TROLLS for jumping into a place they SHOULD be avoiding, merely to hate.

When you read stories here on Literotica, try to do so with a more open mind and recognize that you are seeing into the minds of others in REALITY, because an author pulled that out of their own mind! People DO think that way!


Umm No, I'm pretty sure I know how I would react if I watched another guy's cum drip out of my wife's pussy. While some people are into swinging and open marriages, A LOT of us are single mate lovers. I don't need to try wife swapping or swinging to figure out if I'm going to hate it or not. I KNOW I'll hate it.
 
Umm No, I'm pretty sure I know how I would react if I watched another guy's cum drip out of my wife's pussy. While some people are into swinging and open marriages, A LOT of us are single mate lovers. I don't need to try wife swapping or swinging to figure out if I'm going to hate it or not. I KNOW I'll hate it.
Lifestyle66 wasn't saying you don't know your own mind. He was saying you don't know other people's minds as well as you think you do. Your initial post in this thread wasn't just about your own preferences, it had some pretty broad statements about what "the vast majority of people" like.

If you're monogamous, you're not going to run into the non-monogamous folk as often. If you project this kind of attitude towards the idea of non-monogamy, the non-monogamous folk you do meet IRL don't have much incentive to identify themselves to you. So you're going to see a "vast majority of people" who think the same way you do, but that doesn't mean it's actually so.
 
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Umm No, I'm pretty sure I know how I would react if I watched another guy's cum drip out of my wife's pussy. While some people are into swinging and open marriages, A LOT of us are single mate lovers. I don't need to try wife swapping or swinging to figure out if I'm going to hate it or not. I KNOW I'll hate it.
How many marriages end in divorce, often with either the husband or wife cheating on their spouse? How many marriages last grudgingly after one of them has cheated (Bill and Hillary Clinton)? How many husbands are supporting a child born "out of wedlock" (in 2004, it was Sen Edwards, and now Hunter Biden as famous examples.) And these are merely the "tip of the iceberg" you hear about! I found out a childhood friend discovered a half-sibling when he was in his 30's! And a neighbor said she didn't know about a half-sibling from her father born oto a mistress until she was in her 50's!

With the divorce rate in the U.S. approaching 50% and considering there are many (such as the Clintons) who remain married after cheating, I would guess you are incorrect to believe "the vast majority" believe in monogamy.

IMO, "the vast majority" might want exclusive control over their spouse's genitals. But when the opportunity presents itself, they really believe "my body, my choice, but not your body, your choice, because we have a contract!"
 
With the divorce rate in the U.S. approaching 50% and considering there are many (such as the Clintons) who remain married after cheating, I would guess you are incorrect to believe "the vast majority" believe in monogamy.
Why, have you never heard of dishonesty or "akrasia?" It's perfectly possible that even (some of) these (serial) cheaters you mention, if you were asking them, would profess to believe in monogamy, but for whatever reasons they might simply find it impossible (or unsuitable or whatever) to live up to it.

And then there's also simple stupidity, not to mention the fact that sexual attraction—and action—isn't always mediated by or (strictly) a "function" of pure reason or "neocortical regulation," respectively, at that.

Resorting to calling people names isn't all too elucidating, I'm afraid.
 
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I laughed reading this thread.

I have written 13 stories. Two are completely fictional and stretch reality quite a bit. The other eleven are basically recounting my actual experiences as best I can remember them.

The two fictional stories are wildly popular! People hate the 11 stories which are factual and true to life.

Bottom line? People love bullshit! They hate reality or anything real.
I do not think the OP is talking about “reality” but about “willing suspension of disbelief.” If something is way out of line with the context, it is intrusive and unbelievable. Readers will believe what they wish to believe if a writer does not make it too hard. I stop reading just as soon as a character mentions her own bra size to anyone but the clerk in the lingerie department. 😂🐝
 
Back in the day Loving wives was appropriately named. The tag line "stories of adventurous wives" was fitting, and back then it was more in the sense of the husband on board with the extramarital action, there were even romance stories. The name seems off now because the neighborhood went down hill when two things happened.

The women hating roaches who spew abuse and venom at make believe women, the 'faggot' husband who puts up with her, and all manner of threats to the equally made up other man.

What makes it worse is authors who write these stories knowing what they're stirring up, knowing they'll be abused for it but doing it anyway.

Another thing making the category worse is in my neighborhood analogy when an area goes downhill, the good folks leave. Authors who want to write an actual cuck story now post in fetish where it goes over better with less incels. Some authors have left entirely, some readers as well because its too much trouble to have to weed through the shit to find the rare good stories now.

How to fix it? No idea, well I have ideas, but the site will never do anything about it. They're busy removing comments with opinions they don't like, but let the hate speech flow like honey.

But if we were playing what if...I'd

Eliminate anonymous, want to comment, you need an ID. That's still anonymous, but a lot of these types are so cowardly even that little bit of identification would scare some off.

Eliminate Burn the bitch stories. They are not erotic, they feature hatred and abuse of women and get cheered on by jackals who jerk off to said abuse of women. Get rid of them, more of them leave.

Have someone who's job it is to delete every comment that's a personal attack or hate speech, things like your story sucks are fine, comments about bitches and fags and racist comments all say see ya.

Couple months of all of those things and I think that category could bounce back as the roaches check out of the motel

But nothing is going to happen. We get lip service about not wanting X content, then we have this entire category
I guess i didn’t read enough comments there…
 
Why, have you never heard of dishonesty or "aphasia?" It's perfectly possible that even (some of) these (serial) cheaters you mention, if you were asking them, would profess to believe in monogamy, but for whatever reasons they might simply find it impossible (or unsuitable or whatever) to live up to it.

And then there's also simple stupidity, not to mention the fact that sexual attraction—and action—isn't always mediated by or (strictly) a "function" of pure reason or "neocortical regulation," respectively, at that.

Resorting to calling people names isn't all too elucidating, I'm afraid.
I didn't call anybody any names. That's just your way of poking to elicit a response.

But are you suggesting "the vast majority" of the people have mental issues and possibly dissociating with the reality of their past choices.?
 
I didn't call anybody any names. That's just your way of poking to elicit a response.
Sure you did, at least indirectly, with your pokes at alleged "bigotry" (or whatever names you yourself might prefer in this case).
But are you suggesting "the vast majority" of the people have mental issues and possibly dissociating with the reality of their past choices.?
My bad! I must have fallen prey to a malapropism in using an incorrect but similar sounding word: I meant "akrasia," not "aphasia."

However, according to official data about one-quarter of U.S. adults report having a mental health diagnosis, so they may not yet qualify as the "vast majority," but I'd say they already make up a significant minority for sure!
 
Sure you did, at least indirectly, with your pokes at alleged "bigotry" (or whatever names you yourself might prefer in this case).

My bad! I must have fallen prey to a malapropism in using an incorrect but similar sounding word: I meant "akrasia," not "aphasia."

However, according to official data about one-quarter of U.S. adults report having a mental health diagnosis, so they may not yet qualify as the "vast majority," but I'd say they already make up a significant minority for sure!
You are once again finding homophobia all around you and in everything your read.

You're sounding like a character (at least indirectly) out of a comedy movie "Scary Movie": "I see white people."

It's just the shadows of your own insecurities.
 
You are once again finding homophobia all around you and in everything your read.
Huh? What you mean? We were talking about monogamy and cheating, not "homophobia" or seeing "white people," so I don't know what you're talking about now. Care to explain?
 
We humans suffer from a need to believe we think and feel in similar ways to each other. How else could we properly relate and sympathise with each other?

Unfortunately, this leads to a lot of people being labelled as defective in one way or another, simply because they don't conform to majority expectations.

There are people who don't experience romantic attraction, for example. Weirdly, there are people who do experience it, but only ever for one person at a time. These unfortunates often obsess in unhealthy ways over the One True [TM] object of their affection and even act possessively, expecting that person to not only reciprocate affection but to do so in the same unhealthy way, focusing all love and affection on a single person.
 
I can agree with the OPs statement here. I came here for years only to read and immerse myself in the world(s) of these characters. Any work of non-fiction based on actual events or real life experience has always been a crowd pleaser with me. It gives the reader a sense of being there.
As I discussed with someone earlier, we as humans all suffer from the same fallacies, the same chinks in our armor. Yet we all have the same human heart and soul. We know how human interaction is, what is stretching the fabric of reality to what is plain out fiction. Any veteran reader can discern between the two.
I prefer to write purely non fiction, real life stories. It doesn't take long into reading a story before I can kind of see whether the author(s) is/are trying to walk that fine line of ambivalence; eh maybe it could/would happen.
No, more often than not the answer is no. It could happen of course. Anything COULD happen. But will it? More often than not, no. Because humans aren't wired to interact in that way. From birth we are conditioned to look, act, think a certain way. So if you're coming here purely to read then I say hats off to you. But I want to envision myself there. I want the author to convey, I guess...
No. Never mind. To each his own.

Joshua
Are your non fiction stories popular?
 
As I discussed with someone earlier, we as humans all suffer from the same fallacies, the same chinks in our armor. Yet we all have the same human heart and soul. We know how human interaction is, what is stretching the fabric of reality to what is plain out fiction. Any veteran reader can discern between the two.
I prefer to write purely non fiction, real life stories. It doesn't take long into reading a story before I can kind of see whether the author(s) is/are trying to walk that fine line of ambivalence; eh maybe it could/would happen.
No, more often than not the answer is no. It could happen of course. Anything COULD happen. But will it? More often than not, no. Because humans aren't wired to interact in that way. From birth we are conditioned to look, act, think a certain way.

IME, readers are not always great at figuring out which of their "universal truths" really are universal and which are just common.

I had a friend who believed that God talked to her, and that therefore God must talk to everybody, and anybody who said they didn't hear the same voice she heard was deceiving themselves.

My partner and I are polyamorous. As long as I'm not neglecting her she's fine with me having other lovers, and the same goes in the opposite direction. That's been the situation for more than twenty years, we still love one another, and plenty of people find it absolutely impossible to believe in love that doesn't require exclusivity and will tell us to our faces that our experience can't be real.
 
IME, readers are not always great at figuring out which of their "universal truths" really are universal and which are just common.

I had a friend who believed that God talked to her, and that therefore God must talk to everybody, and anybody who said they didn't hear the same voice she heard was deceiving themselves.

My partner and I are polyamorous. As long as I'm not neglecting her she's fine with me having other lovers, and the same goes in the opposite direction. That's been the situation for more than twenty years, we still love one another, and plenty of people find it absolutely impossible to believe in love that doesn't require exclusivity and will tell us to our faces that our experience can't be real.
I would never say you're experience isn't real, but I would say your the pleasant exception because most of the time those relationships do not work. Jealousy is a very ugly, but all to human, emotion and even when its not there initially, it creeps in over time.
 
Not that I'm overly woke (I'm DEFINITELY not) but loving WIVES is kind of a sexist name for it because both wives and husbands cheat. It should be loving spouses actually.

I see the category as cheating central. In it you're going to have everything from BTB to spouses that are willingly cucked.

I get what you're saying, but being a unwilling cuck, and allowing it to continue, and continue, and continue just isn't realistic. Even worse a lot of those stories are RAAC. I'm sorry, but if you were unwillingly cucked repeatedly for a long period of time, there's NO WAY IN HELL you're going to reconcile. Again, I don't have a problem with bending reality. Most of the stories on here do, but there's a fine line between bending and BREAKING reality. You've ruined your story (at least IMO, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this) once you have broken reality completely.
I think the site hasn't changed the name of or added a new category in the four years that I've been here. Sometimes there have been discussions of that on the forum, but it never happens. I wonder how far back the categories go. To the creation of the site? There is another site that has quite a few more categories to choose from, which is nice to have.
 
This is an interesting thread as I'm struggling writing my first story.

I cant comment on the cuckolding thing directly because I'm not in a serious relationship but I have known one guy who got off on me with another guy and another who liked hearing details about other men I'd been with, which i guess is related.

My dad is technically a cuckold. My mum has boyfriends, he likes golf and his vinyl record collection. They've been like that for as long as I can remember and he's not bothered if she doesn't go home for a weekend, or has a 'friend' in the spare room. Different people have their own normality.
 
I think the site hasn't changed the name of or added a new category in the four years that I've been here. Sometimes there have been discussions of that on the forum, but it never happens. I wonder how far back the categories go. To the creation of the site? There is another site that has quite a few more categories to choose from, which is nice to have.
You can explore the site history via Wayback: https://web.archive.org/web/20220720150751/https://www.literotica.com/stories/

First capture is on Oct 13 1999. At that time the categories were:

Fetish - Bondage, feet, panty, s&m, and other kinks and kinky things...
Erotic Couplings - Wild one-on-one consensual sex...
Erotic Poetry - Sensually sexual verse...
Exhibitionist & Voyeur - Watching, and being watched...
Group Sex - Orgies, swingers, and others...
Illustrated Stories - Stories with erotic photos and art...
Incest - Keeping it in the family...
Non Consent - What part of "no" didn't you understand?
Non Human - Aliens, androids, and more...
Romance - Candlelight, wine, and a soft kiss...
Same Sex - Girls who like girls, and boys who like boys...
Toys - Battery-operated fruits & vegetables, etc...

AFAICT the last two categories to be added were Erotic Horror & Letters and Transcripts, both some time in 2003, and the "Extreme" category disappeared around the same time. In the nineteen years since then, no new/removed categories that I can see, though a couple got renamed ("Text with Audio" -> "Audio", "Celebrities" -> "Celebrities & Fan Fiction") and some of the category descriptions have changed.
 
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