I got accused of plagiarism

[alank]

Oh no

She took down her stories already. Nobody should be bullied on this site. Somebody talk to her and get her to put her stories back up.

Bullying on this web site is about the same as burning books and that is a no-go.

Gillytrilly, come back, do not cave to the bullys that can't write.

 

[alank]

I think you just cut off your nose to spite your face. That said, I don't think of myself as any kind of writer or author. I certainly don't get paid for any writing I do. And as far as writing goes, I write smut and porn, the bottom of the bottom of the sludge in genre and context to actual authors who get money writing in general and specifically in this genre. So if somebody's going to plagiarise, if they copy me, they're really reaching down, not up. Suggest they copy 50 shades woman instead.

Yes you are a writer. You have the mental fortitude to take ideas, scenes, time and words and put them down in a order that entertains the masses. I was a photojournalist in the Army but I cannot write any original stories, all I can do is write news. So many of us wish we had just a little of your talent.

Generally speaking, it is not porn or smut; it is erotica. There is a difference.

 

[PervOtaku]

See also
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/greater-internet-fuckwad-theory

This is one of those things where if they smell weakness they will come at you twice as hard.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

I have a hard time sympathizing with Grillytilly. I looked at his/her stories and generally they have been well-accepted. Some of them posted as recently as today, so it looks like he/she got some bad comments and suddenly blew a fuse.

I get the impression that the author has thin skin and a short temper. No matter what writing skills they have they wouldn't be here very long.

Not a good combo for anything you want people to see: writing, drawing, building shit. Thank the God and Goddess, he didn't put anything in LW.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Thank you everyone who replied.

As of now my stories are all gone. If anyone wants to get a copy of a story they liked let me know in a message and I'll see about sending you one.

In my real life I work in an industry that takes plagiarism very seriously. Every accusation has to be treated like it is 100% real. Maybe that's the wrong mindset to fit in with this community. Like I've said, I've seen a lot of really hateful comments on my stories but it never bothered me. The good usually was more than the bad. I just figured they were like youtube comments. But the plagiarism thing is just too serious for me to ignore. Perhaps it's just me and that's my weak spot.

Maybe after I've had a bit of time to think and experiment with all the options on the site I'll feel comfortable re-posting some of my stuff. I write these stories because I enjoy them and I'm happy to share if it's all in good fun.

Habe you posted them somewhere else, maybe under another screen name? Id anything you've read in anybdection you've posted in, remotely similar? No one can accuse me of "plageraising," anything here- I hardly read stories on here,or anywhere else- Inuse the same screen name everywhere, I am the one and only.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Yes you are a writer. You have the mental fortitude to take ideas, scenes, time and words and put them down in a order that entertains the masses. I was a photojournalist in the Army but I cannot write any original stories, all I can do is write news. So many of us wish we had just a little of your talent.

Generally speaking, it is not porn or smut; it is erotica. There is a difference.

Well... "I felt him slip inside of me, just a little at first, then I felt the full length of his member crashing down upon me," is the feather, "his big ass dick, just filled my fucking pussy, whole, in and out, he pounded that shit," is the whole chicken.

 

[ColetteJulie]

Not a good combo for anything you want people to see: writing, drawing, building shit. Thank the God and Goddess, he didn't put anything in LW.

Ah, my favourite category. I must say the LW fans take characters and stories very seriously. I was told by one person that my characters would divorce. Another blasted me for daring to have a personal opinion on swinging. I do love them though, for the simple reason that they feel so strongly for or against, you think your characters live just a little when you write but when the readers comment as if you were telling them about actual people it's very motivating. It especially motivates me to go back to the attempted manuscript that I have thrown in the bin and rescued fifty times already.

Thank you Alank if you were addressing me. I do believe that there is a story inside every one of us and we only need motivation and a little help, like a friend who edits - to trim our verbage and make it readable. The great authors will always have their place on the mantle, but ordinary people have told stories, whether they failed or succeeded is irrelevant - their story has been told. I pray stories about ordinary people, by ordinary people continue to be written.

 

[autoplot]

Sometimes I toy with the idea of posting a story in LW just to see what would happen. Then I come to my senses.

 

[Hypoxia]

Sometimes I toy with the idea of posting a story in LW just to see what would happen. Then I come to my senses.

We can do well in LW by learning from (not copying) successful stories there. Or we can submit something provocative, then sit back and watch the sparks fly. That's barrel-of-monkeys fun! My LW votes range from low 2's to high 4's. Yup, the whole gamut, accompanied by entertaining insults.

Although I mostly write Incest and Group, I mostly read LW where I'm likely to find dramatic STORIES and not just narrow-focus strokers. I like drama.

 

[autoplot]

We can do well in LW by learning from (not copying) successful stories there. Or we can submit something provocative, then sit back and watch the sparks fly. That's barrel-of-monkeys fun! My LW votes range from low 2's to high 4's. Yup, the whole gamut, accompanied by entertaining insults.

Although I mostly write Incest and Group, I mostly read LW where I'm likely to find dramatic STORIES and not just narrow-focus strokers. I like drama.

Fair enough!

 

[Grillytilly]

She took down her stories already. Nobody should be bullied on this site. Somebody talk to her and get her to put her stories back up.

Bullying on this web site is about the same as burning books and that is a no-go.

Gillytrilly, come back, do not cave to the bullys that can't write.

I'll repost my stories in a bit. I think I found a good solution to the problem. The couple of stories I put up on Lit so far with no voting and no comments have gone well. Even when I get a PM as feedback it's either glowing or the person is actually trying to suggest ways to improve the story.

So far I've only gotten one PM that I think was supposed to be a troll but their English was so bad their comment basically sounded like they were telling themselves to go away.

Strangely enough, I mentioned in a story that if people wanted to give feedback they should do so here in the forums but so far I haven't seen anyone do that.

Also, for everyone who thinks my writing is good enough to deserve the professional polish of an editor, thank you. That means a lot when people say it even for the stories with little typos in them that I didn't catch when proofreading.

Oh, and it's nice that a lot of people seem to think I write as well as women like Jane Austen and all but I'm actually a guy.

 

[Hypoxia]

So far I've only gotten one PM that I think was supposed to be a troll but their English was so bad their comment basically sounded like they were telling themselves to go away.

Those are the funny ones, almost as good as them announcing they only skimmed the story r read the tags before 1-bombing it. I leave my comments open, and someone usually pops up to excoriate the fucktards. Comments fights are like mud-wrestling cat-fights. I love'em!

Strangely enough, I mentioned in a story that if people wanted to give feedback they should do so here in the forums but so far I haven't seen anyone do that.

Those Anons are non-members and can't post on the forums, even if they were inclined to move their laze arses to another browser window. THis forum seems to be mostly authors critiquing each other. Sort of like mutual mental masturbation, er I mean a support group.

 

[CountessClara]

Don't take those comments seriously. Claiming plagiarism is for losers. In the history of literature, common motives have always been picked up by sympathetic authors. I study Latin and what many people don't realize is that some of the most influential poems of e.g. Catullus were actually Latin adaptations of Greek poems from Sappho or Kalimachos. This is how great art came into being. It's a form of interacting with great material.
I think it's a shame whenever claims of plagiarism based on content or even mood (somebody claimed that about breaking dawn - imagine!) get through in the creative department. Say I have an idea for some silly lesbian fantasy story and somebody else, who is a better writer would pick it up and transform it into something much more appealing than what I had produced. What business would I have trying to prevent them from doing that? If I love the idea of the story, I would naturally want it to be presented in the best possible way and if I don't happen to be the person who can do that, it's fine for someone else to show me how it's done.
Also, adapting themes or even characters is also a difficult job that not just anyone can do. But especially people who only ever read seem to assume this on a regular basis. Like sure, I'm just gonna go ahead and rewrite this great novel but um, wait, hell, that's still a lot of work!
The only thing that I would condemn as actual criminal behaviour is plagiarizing full passages up to entire chapters and stories - especially to make money. That's just gross and illegal. But writing something thats similar to something else on a free website is perfectly fine and even desirable to explore the possibilities of any given setting.
I would however advocate, if somebody actually took a lot of stuff from an existing story, that they point it out and direct the readers to that other story as well, so that they will be able to benefit from it as well and get an idea of the motive's context.

Sorry for this long text, it's just that I feel this topic deserves a little extra attention, especially on a page where motives and certain storylines can easily seem repetitive - sometimes maybe unintentionally.

 

[sr71plt]

Don't take those comments seriously. Claiming plagiarism is for losers.

Well, no, it isn't. Plagiarism does happen. And it happens here on Literotica. Whole stories are being stolen, word for word, and posted elsewhere. For that matter, some damn fool stole one of my stories, posted elsewhere under a pen name, and submitted it here even though I already had it posted here. Laurel got rid of it (and the poster) quickly, but plagiarism did, does, and will continue to exist. So "claiming plagiarism is for losers" is just a false statement.

The more identical wording is picked up and republished, the more it's a case of plagiarism. The OP here never was clear on what what happening or claimed.

And isn't it time we just let this thread go? The OP had claimed to have already left and pulled stories even before posting the thread. Seems the issue has been beaten to death for ages when it was just an "already decided" disguntled rant.

 

[lovecraft68]

Well, no, it isn't. Plagiarism does happen. And it happens here on Literotica. Whole stories are being stolen, word for word, and posted elsewhere. For that matter, some damn fool stole one of my stories, posted elsewhere under a pen name, and submitted it here even though I already had it posted here. Laurel got rid of it (and the poster) quickly, but plagiarism did, does, and will continue to exist. So "claiming plagiarism is for losers" is just a false statement.

The more identical wording is picked up and republished, the more it's a case of plagiarism. The OP here never was clear on what what happening or claimed.

And isn't it time we just let this thread go? The OP had claimed to have already left and pulled stories even before posting the thread. Seems the issue has been beaten to death for ages when it was just an "already decided" disguntled rant.

Last year someone posted my April Fool's Day story word for word and same title, one day after mine posted. I found out through a reader feedback and they said they reported it and it was gone a little while after. Some people have balls.

 

[CountessClara]

Well, no, it isn't. Plagiarism does happen. And it happens here on Literotica. Whole stories are being stolen, word for word, and posted elsewhere. For that matter, some damn fool stole one of my stories, posted elsewhere under a pen name, and submitted it here even though I already had it posted here. Laurel got rid of it (and the poster) quickly, but plagiarism did, does, and will continue to exist. So "claiming plagiarism is for losers" is just a false statement.

The more identical wording is picked up and republished, the more it's a case of plagiarism. The OP here never was clear on what what happening or claimed.

And isn't it time we just let this thread go? The OP had claimed to have already left and pulled stories even before posting the thread. Seems the issue has been beaten to death for ages when it was just an "already decided" disguntled rant.

Well, I feel that I have made it clear that I was talking about people who claim plagiarism in instances where they fell pissed that somebody is writing in the same direction?
I'm sorry if you felt offended, anyways.
My point is, adaptations of motives can be beneficial to literary development - for author and audience and genre - and I wanted to bring that to attention, because I feel this issue deserves it. What happened to you is in fact real criminal plagiarism (as I also pointed out in my previous post), but these days some people shout it at everything that contains similar elements. That's what I object. I want everyone, who has a great idea and the writing skills to create something amazing, to draw from every source that inspires them.

 

[sr71plt]

If I thought you'd made it clear, I wouldn't have posted. Sweeping generalizations--especially when obviously false--are so much fun, especially on a writing board. Cheers.

The bottom line is that this thread seemed to have arrived dead in the water, as the OP claimed to have already pulled the plug. And yet it goes on and on and on.

 

[JaxRhapsody]

Sometimes I toy with the idea of posting a story in LW just to see what would happen. Then I come to my senses.

Same here. Not to mention how pissed off I could get them.

 

[SunnyJohansen]

"Claiming plagiarism is for losers"? Huh...THAT is something a plagiarist would say...

 

[Cmdr_L]

I got accused of plagiarizing myself once, which was entertaining.

 

[SunnyJohansen]

Self-plagiarizing?

I got accused of plagiarizing myself once, which was entertaining.

*laughs a lot* Now, that WOULD be funny...were both versions under the same name?

 

[SunnyJohansen]

The difference between porn and erotica

Well... "I felt him slip inside of me, just a little at first, then I felt the full length of his member crashing down upon me," is the feather, "his big ass dick, just filled my fucking pussy, whole, in and out, he pounded that shit," is the whole chicken.

True. Too many here don't understand the difference...they'll read something, expecting erotica, then get very disappointed with the story and criticize it as bad erotica when they didn't recognize it wasn't erotica at all and wasn't intended to be...it was actually porn.

 

[sr71plt]

I got accused of plagiarizing myself once, which was entertaining.

I've been accused of that. I post under a different pen name here from elsewhere. It's flattering, though, that readers would notice and ask about it.

 

[SunnyJohansen]

You encountered a group of trolls that were trying to run you off and you let them do it. There are several gangs out here and they target new writers and even some old ones. I had some on one of my latest stories. I laughed at them. The stories belong to the author even if posted to Lit. You don't owe the readers anything. The stories are free and if the writers don't write, they don't read.

If you've deleted the posts then you have screwed up. Next time, PM Laurel, the site owner and give her a link to the stories and explain what is going on. She doesn't like trolls messing with the authors.

All true.
They said they encountered this: "....commenters told me that as a writer I was not to make them mad. The logic they threw at me basically said that readers are superior to writers and that after I post something the audience owns it...."

Nothing is farther from the truth. Way, way off. While I don't consider writers superior to readers, there are many here under the mistaken impression that every writer here WANTS "help with improving their writing skills." BS! And from people who can only fancy themselves as being qualified to even open their mouths! More BS!

WRITERS: Don't you DARE change your style because of OPINIONS read on a website! If you feel compelled to do that, there are sites frequented by HIGHLY published authors, agents and other professionals in the publishing business!
You should also be taking a class at an accredited institution, taught by professional instructors!

 

[Cmdr_L]

*laughs a lot* Now, that WOULD be funny...were both versions under the same name?

Yeah, but that doesn't mean much on a website like 4chan.

I've been accused of that. I post under a different pen name here from elsewhere. It's flattering, though, that readers would notice and ask about it.

Indeed. It's interesting being defended against myself.