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[castagnus]

Silly girl. Obviously you (and the rest of the people on this forum) don't know anything. What were you THINKING of?

This sentiment describes exactly the attitude of the medical profession towards Augusto Odone of Lorenzo's Oil movie fame when he dared to propose a treatment for his son Lorenzo's ADL. Augusto, a lay person, perservered against ridicule and was able to concoct a special triglyceride oil which prolonged his son's life for two decades (Lorenzo died a few months ago, at the age of 30).

Now I really don't care if I am right or not. I have often been wrong on things like this in the past, and may well be proven wrong here. My purpose in posting was to share my experience with others so that their sexual experiences might be enhanced.

Whether my explanation is correct or not, there is no doubt that I have experienced copious anal lubrication lasting up to 20 minutes for which I have not heard any better explanation than the one I offered.

 

[castagnus]

Time for devil's advocate.

Are you calling castagnus a liar? Are you saying the he is incorrect about his own experiences, or somehow misinterpreted his own sensations, or those of his partner?

I'm not trying to hem you up, but he isn't exactly talking theory. He's talking about his own equipment inserted into a partner of his. He's wrong about his own impressions?

I ask because I've had the same experience. I've done "dry" anal numerous times with a couple of different partners, and the only lube present was whatever was left on my cock from vaginal penetration prior. And I can honestly say that more than once I have *felt* a perceived increased in lubrication as she became excited.

Now, maybe my cock was lying to me. Your links sure seem to imply that my dick is a lying bastard. This is admittedly not too hard to believe because, as the guys in the room will testify, your cock will tell you all sorts of lies in order to get you motivated to get some pussy. But, silly asshole that I am, I am inclined to trust the tactile sensations I was experiencing at the time.

And I am not necessarily positing the existence of anal lubrication glands, but the whole area is mucous membranes, and there are secretions that occur in there to ease excretion. Accepting the plain fact that each body is different, is it so very difficult to believe that some people do lubricate at least to some extent?




ETA: I don't know castagnus, and am not vouching for his honesty here. I am just questioning a line of argument that seems to be saying "I don't care what your experiences are, consensus tells us it can't be so." Last time I checked, it was still not possible to prove a negative.

Thank you Homburg - I particularly liked the highlighted portion.

I could go on and on about well-intentioned orthodox scientific pronouncements that proved to be incorrect, including the one by Lord Kelvin, at the turn of the last century stating that it was not possible for there to be any more scientific discoveries. A few years later, in 1905, Einstein published his "Annus Mirabilis Papers" four separate radical new theories on quantum photo-electrics, Brownian movement, special relativity and his famous mass-energy equivalence formula , which gave birth to what is known as "Modern Physics".

 

[Marquis]

Yes, but then there is my personal experience which informs me otherwise.

I've definitely had this experience as well. It may be that the anus itself begins to relax and the reduced friction feels like lubrication, but it certainly feels like a little lube to me.

It doesn't feel like pussy lube, it feels more like a thick, slimy mucous and I was under the impression that such a substance is in fact produced.

i've started using those 3 day lube thingies you squirt into yourself. i use the KY one and it works really well.

What is this now?

 

[whywouldi]

I know I tend to sweat a lot when I sodomize myself with a dildo; maybe the sweat acts as a lubricant ?

 

[castagnus]

I know I tend to sweat a lot when I sodomize myself with a dildo; maybe the sweat acts as a lubricant ?

Any idea where that sweat might come from ?

 

[castagnus]

Now you're just being an idiot.

Your source:

1. a single paper from 1961 (PDF link)

My sources:

1. Sex author Heather Corinna (this is a website for TEENS)
2. Random blog on the internet (normal dorks know this stuff)
3. Go Ask Alice (Columbia University Health Services sex advice column)
4. Unisex.org.uk (Universities of Brighton and Sussex sexual health site)
5. Random discussion forum (again, this is a well-known fact)
6. Daily Californian (Female Anatomy 101 article)
7. GayHealth.com (see, applies to men too)
8. Sex author Violet Blue (book for teen girls)
9. Mixed Plate Special (blog-style sex advice column)
10. eSensuality.com - Jennifer Haddad (sex & sexuality educator)

Surely I don't need to keep going.

Dear Etoile;

Thank you for taking the time to gather together these references . As a courtesy to you, (in spite of your provocative salutation), I wanted to read them before responding, and I have just done so. Essentially, they all contain the phrase "the anus does not self lubricate" and it appears that my own happy experiences appear to be a bit of an anomaly.

As a former experimental physicist, having found myself to be temperamentally suited to the task of applying science to real world manufacturing, I have found that my financial survival depends on a strict adherence to the truth, as determined by observation and measurement. This is a rather pompous way of saying that I have gotten pretty good at observing things, which brings me back to the indesputable fact that from my own experience, the anus of some women does provide some means of providing continous lubrication which is not of fecal nature. I speculated that some may have glands in the anal area that could be stimulated to produce lubrication and from the posts here and my thread in the GL Chatter board, it appears that others have also noticed this.

But I will not at all be offended to learn that some other phenomenon may be at work.

 

[ecstaticsub]

From wikipedia:
Function of Large intestine
...The large intestine takes 12-25 hours to finish up the remaining processes of the digestive system. Food is not broken down any further in this stage of digestion. The large intestine simply absorbs vitamins that are created by the bacteria inhabiting the colon. It is also very important in absorbing water and compacting the feces, it also stores fecal matter in the rectum until eliminated through the anus and thus is responsible for passing along solid waste.

The large intestine differs most obviously from the small intestine in being wider and in showing the longitudinal layer of the muscularis have been reduced to 3 strap-like structures known as the taeniae coli. The wall of the large intestine is lined with simple columnar epithelium. Instead of having the evaginations of the small intestine (villi) the large intestine has invaginations (the intestinal glands). While both the small intestine and the large intestine have goblet cells, they are abundant in the large intestine.

Also from Wikipedia:

Goblet cells are glandular simple columnar epithelial cells whose sole function is to secrete mucus.

I've noticed from my experience that often during anal sex I wll produce a kind of mucus. Often times my first stool after anal will be rather mucus-like also

Another sourse of the lubrication may be simply a lack of reabsorption of water. I use a fleet enema before anal. The salts from the enema will continue to prevent complete water reabsorption even after the enema has done it's job. Thus some of the lubrication may be water--or mucusy water.

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

In my experience with anal, both a bit of self penetration and playing with my partner's arse, mucus etc has always been produced.

Not a lot, but some.

 

[RuneBlade]

The anus might not self lubricate, but without a condom, I know my cock sure does.

 

[Iconfess]

Sorry if I've led everyone astray with this matter. Point taken about possible health concerns with baby oil, but strictly speaking as a lube is it as good as others at lubrication? Baby oil works, but I find it needs to be applied in large sloppy doses. Is this the case with some of the other products mentioned?

 

[Zoots_owner]

The best water-based lubes can be used pretty sparingly, will not damage toys or cause condom breakage, and might be healthier than petroleum distillates + fragrance.

 

[Harmony_1985]

The best water-based lubes can be used pretty sparingly, will not damage toys or cause condom breakage, and might be healthier than petroleum distillates + fragrance.

I use water based because it doesn't do damage to my toys.

 

[OneLustyWench]

I have tried several lubes and know a vendor that just loves their lubes at BDSM conventions. I too like the Wet Platinum. But you really want to avoid lubes that can become tacky, I know KY can do that and definitely petroleum based products. Many lube vendors are coming out with more "natural" flavors if that is desired but I tend to find them still to fake to be worth trying. No lube and an interested partner do more than fake tasting lubes.

Don't forget to consider toys and condoms and your partner. Sexual health is important. Not only to consider the implications of passing something from mouth to anus but from anus to mouth.

Yes, ID products are available in the US. I've seen products at Wal-Mart, Target, Meijer's in the area and be sure to check out Walgreen's and walgreens dot com. An entire section on Sexual Wellness. Carries ID, KY and Wet products. Experiment to find out what is best for you, because in the end, it is all about you and your partner's experience and pleasure.

Don't use Lit as your only reference. There is a lot of information out on the web about anal health and play and lubricants. And remember with your toys and anal (as well as vaginal) play, cleanliness is required. Here are just a few quick links to help you with your searches.

http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/3426.html
http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/tc/safe-sex-topic-overview
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/proctitis

 

[ixpect]

Eros original is wonderful. We have been using it for years. It's ultra concentrated, so a few drops go a long way!!

 

[radepor]

Lubrication

So far in my sex life, I've used baby oil with my sex partners. Does this work as well as gel or other type lubes?

This is offerred as an "industirial strength" solution to the question. If you're only interested in normal, perhaps irregular sexual encounters then any of the previous answers are probably acceptable.

Let me be honest and upfront; this will probably appeal most to gays who enjoy fisting -- which, by definition, involves insertion into the anus of exceptionally large objects that don't belong there. However, it may appeal to others for whom conventional lubricants just don't work.

Speaking of work, it requires a "little" work - not just squirting a liquid out a purchased bottle. The product is usually called "J-Lube". It's origins are a mystery to me but it's use seems to be prevalent in the vet world (i.e. the vet needs a fairly sterile, water-soluble, horrendously slick liquid to allow insetion up to his/her armpit into whatever animal orifice requires attention.)

There are any number of recipes on the internet; simply, I suggest a couple of teaspoons into about eight ounces of water, microwaved anywhere from 30 - 60 seconds. There may be some semi-solids -- so what; don't worry about it.

If you are lucky or good, it will far surpass anything, anywhere that you buy. It's so good you may find you can't get rid of it -- if so, simply apply tablesalt.

 

[SweetErika]

This is offerred as an "industirial strength" solution to the question. If you're only interested in normal, perhaps irregular sexual encounters then any of the previous answers are probably acceptable.

Let me be honest and upfront; this will probably appeal most to gays who enjoy fisting -- which, by definition, involves insertion into the anus of exceptionally large objects that don't belong there. However, it may appeal to others for whom conventional lubricants just don't work.

Speaking of work, it requires a "little" work - not just squirting a liquid out a purchased bottle. The product is usually called "J-Lube". It's origins are a mystery to me but it's use seems to be prevalent in the vet world (i.e. the vet needs a fairly sterile, water-soluble, horrendously slick liquid to allow insetion up to his/her armpit into whatever animal orifice requires attention.)

There are any number of recipes on the internet; simply, I suggest a couple of teaspoons into about eight ounces of water, microwaved anywhere from 30 - 60 seconds. There may be some semi-solids -- so what; don't worry about it.

If you are lucky or good, it will far surpass anything, anywhere that you buy. It's so good you may find you can't get rid of it -- if so, simply apply tablesalt.

After reading this, I looked J-Lube up and found this site (which seems to answer just about any question one would ever have about J-lube, including its origins, safety info and instructions for mixing and cleaning it up):
http://www.anus.org/SEX/jlube.html

Maybe you can tell us if the author's info more or less jibes with your personal experience with J-Lube.

It's not something I can imagine using frequently or vaginally since the powder is mostly sugar, the PEG is industrial grade and it sounds like a hassle to make and clean up for everyday use, but I can see where it could be useful for anal fisting or something like jello wrestling. Still, it was interesting learning about it, and it's always good to be aware of what's out there.