Making my hubby my slut

[Lizzie_Borden]

Lacy panties help keep me in character, and my wife likes it that way. She has mused about being with another girl and what that implies.

That you're more girly? More feminine? You're gonna get your period and eat chocolate ice cream and watch Glee together?

 

[Rolando2]

Thanks, guys.
Lacy panties make you feel more cheap. That's just natural.
Of course they do!

Why?

Damned if I know. They just do, I feell "more sluttish" LOL

 

[mapp]

Thanks, guys.
Lacy panties make you feel more cheap. That's just natural.
Of course they do!

Why?

To repeat myself from a few posts up, if they act as a constant reminder of your bits making that the centre of attention all day that could lead to feeling more like a "slut" or "cheap" or like a "toy" or whatever you want to call it.

 

[blade_rocknut]

Guys, Stella is trying to derive WHY panties equal slutty to you; I believe in protest to the notion that an item of clothing or its type should be used to define a person. I agree with that principle, but also see why the panties make you feel like a sex object....they're part of a routine that (at least in your mind) makes you a sex object.

I like 'em for a number of reasons....aesthetics, tactile pleasure, and, in the proper context...to help complete fantasies. Stella's gripe ( if I perceive correctly) is with the notion that something like an item of clothing would be used to define the type of person you are. In a perfect world, I could go to dinner with my wife wearing a pair of heels and women's low-rise jeans without the other patrons being agasp. ( It would be nice....men's jeans do little for my rear). That, however...is not reality as we know it. By attatching labels like "slut" to a pair of frilly panties actually perpetuates these prejudices against those of us who would be the targets of criticism if everyone knew of our persuasions.

Wearing "attractive" underthings though does help one feel that way....even if noone else knows.

 

[Stella_Omega]

To repeat myself from a few posts up, if they act as a constant reminder of your bits making that the centre of attention all day that could lead to feeling more like a "slut" or "cheap" or like a "toy" or whatever you want to call it.

Thank you, that's a better answer than anything yet.

Lacy panties keep your attention centered on your dickie. Keeps you horny. But how does being horny turn into being "cheap" or "slut?" Being horny is inside of you, it's your own business.

"Cheap" is the business suit that guy over there is wearing. And if he walked up to you and snapped his fingers I really doubt that you'd drop to your knees. Not really.

"Toy" is a word I can understand, If you want your wife to own you and all.

ahh, IDK. it's just one of those stupid fucking windmills that wave their arms at me.

 

[mapp]

Cheap to me is when you give yourself up without much effort from the partner to be. If I've walked around with my mind focused squarely on my groin all day, I'm more likely to give it up with little resistance. Or something like that.

The panties being a ladies' garment isn't really of the essence, in my mind, it's them being an unusual feeling. Like a penis ring would be, or whatever.

 

[cuckmeblk]

Bbc

Hope you find one to use you both.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'd forgotten about this convo, but funnily enough, similar issues are happening in the public and political world.

Women who are being interviewed get asked about their clothes. About their underwear. about their diets, their bodies, their appearances.

Interviewer: Okay. Which designers do you prefer?
Hillary Clinton: What designers of clothes?
Interviewer: Yes.
Hillary Clinton: Would you ever ask a man that question?
Interviewer: Probably not. Probably not.

Hillary Clinton is our Secretary of State, the third person in succession for the presidency if anything happens to the pres and vice pres. What she wears is the least of our concerns.

Or Scarlett Johansen, when someone asked her what she wore under her Poison Ivey costume, and she said "You're like the fifth person who's asked me this today, what is going on with you guys?" And Ann Hathaway when some dude pressed her about her workout, she said "What's the deal, are you thinking about trying to fit in a catsuit?"

 

[njlauren]

I'd forgotten about this convo, but funnily enough, similar issues are happening in the public and political world.

Women who are being interviewed get asked about their clothes. About their underwear. about their diets, their bodies, their appearances.


Hillary Clinton is our Secretary of State, the third person in succession for the presidency if anything happens to the pres and vice pres. What she wears is the least of our concerns.

Or Scarlett Johansen, when someone asked her what she wore under her Poison Ivey costume, and she said "You're like the fifth person who's asked me this today, what is going on with you guys?" And Ann Hathaway when some dude pressed her about her workout, she said "What's the deal, are you thinking about trying to fit in a catsuit?"

Just as an fyi, Hillary isn't third..it is president, vice president, speaker of the house and president pro tem of the senate before Secretary of state...the speaker is third because back in the day the senate was not elected (appointed by legislatures and/or governors) so he/she would be the highest directly elected person.'


Doesn't change the thread, of course, that women somehow are creatures of fashion and that is who they are, rather then being a stupid question that has no meaning, other then to imply women are silly creatures. Kind of makes me wonder if reporters aren't all a bunch of fetishistic crossdressers dying to talk about what panties a woman is wearing.....

 

[Stella_Omega]

Just as an fyi, Hillary isn't third..it is president, vice president, speaker of the house and president pro tem of the senate before Secretary of state...the speaker is third because back in the day the senate was not elected (appointed by legislatures and/or governors) so he/she would be the highest directly elected person.'

Good enough

Doesn't change the thread, of course, that women somehow are creatures of fashion and that is who they are, rather then being a stupid question that has no meaning, other then to imply women are silly creatures. Kind of makes me wonder if reporters aren't all a bunch of fetishistic crossdressers dying to talk about what panties a woman is wearing.....

In all fairness, two of instances I've seen the women were responding to the same reporter, although in different interviews. He must have been going along all those years getting away with those types of questions. So now the question is can that old dog learn a new trick?

 

[njlauren]

I doubt it, stella, those characterizations are still all so prevalent. Hillary Clinton, for example, has faced allegations for years she must be a dyke, because she is a powerful woman, seen as a 'ball buster', so she therefore has to be 'less feminine' (the assumption being, of course, that all dykes fit the mold of the butch, gender queer type of woman....which is obviously idiotic in of itself). Strong women are butch dykes, softer men are 'gay' or 'wimps', it all kind of feeds into what you are talking about. You asked why lace panties made a man wearing them into a slut? Easy, a)lace panties are worn by 'loose women', ya know, sluts, those bad old daughters of eve b)any many who wears them is demasculinized and therefore will be a slut, too, since men of course would never be a slut (nah, a stud, a real man, nod nod wink wink)

Quite frankly, that part of play where men are sissified, where they are demeaned because they are dressed as women and so forth has always bothered me. I realize it is what someone is into and I cannot criticize that, if someone is into being sissified and have their wife cuckold them that is their fantasy, but it always seemed to me that the root of the play is that putting on women's clothing or dressing like a women dehumanized them, what does that say about the image of women? I own this, it is my perspective, but it kind of disturbs me that the automatic assumption is put a guy into panties and a bra and they are less then worthy of respect, what does that say about what women are viewed as?

 

[Stella_Omega]

put a guy into panties and a bra and they are less then worthy of respect, what does that say about what women are viewed as?

You'd better believe it. I'm not immune myself, I do NOT wear dresses because I am not willing to let people use them to devalue me.

If I were this dude though:
http://chickendragon.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/iggy21.jpg?w=640&h=304
ETA:

Come to think of it, I wonder what he was wearing under that dress?

 

[BiBunny]

I saw the exchange with Hillary Clinton and the reporter on Facebook earlier. Say what you want to about the lady, but she keeps it real, yo.

 

[ChromeHorse]

Sorry to bump up an old thread but the discussion it turned into caught my eye and kind of got me intrigued. I have enjoyed crossdressing at times and I've tried making a logical evaluation of that desire within me. At firs this thread made me really question what my thoughts are concerning the semantics of female clothing. I reconcile with that though that for me the arousal stems from humiliation or shame arising from the wearing of feminine underwear. That is not to say that I think women are sluts because of what they wear but it is admitting that I'm getting a reaction because I know and understand my behaviour or dress to be 'deviant'.
Is the other side of this perhaps female slaves who have their heads shaved? Is that demonstrating the same idea? That there is something inherently shameful in perceived masculinity?
I think here, from my perspective, as a man in female attire I would feel slutty not because I equate certain female dress as slutty or even inferiour in itself. I would be feeling slutty because I had given in to an urge that general hetero-normative society would frown upon. Isn't that in essence what a 'slut' of any gender is doing and why society as a whole has such term in place to label or shame them?

I hope that makes sense of some sort.
Apologies again for bumping this thread and also the bad layout/ spelling mistakes. I can't type for toffee on my damned phone!

 

[Netzach]

I've always just found the "slut" issue kind of boring or non-starter because it takes a LOT of action for me to start thinking someone is being one. Like serious cream filled middle of a circle jerk. At that point panties are the least interesting thing about you.

Putting on panties might make a guy "feel slutty" to himself or whatever. Fine, our internal messaging on this one is pretty fucked up. It may not read that way for me, but if if reads that way for him, I can acknowledge that. I can even use it as one more layer of humiliation (oh and your're a sexist little fuckup as well, look, do these make ME a slut, asshole? DO THEY?")

I think lace panties to me are slutty because they're usually miserably uncomfortable enough for me to want to get OUT of them ASAP, more than any other kind

 

[Stella_Omega]

Is the other side of this perhaps female slaves who have their heads shaved? Is that demonstrating the same idea? That there is something inherently shameful in perceived masculinity?

No, there isn't much, in this society, that is perceived as shameful about masculinity.

I don't know any female slaves with shaven heads, but I do know some female dominants with shaven heads.

Isn't that in essence what a 'slut' of any gender is doing and why society as a whole has such term in place to label or shame them?

Nope.

"Slut" is very, very specifically female gendered-- You can tell, because male sluts are called "male sluts." "Slut" means a woman who has no power to say 'no.' Or 'yes" for that matter.

Despite all the reclaiming attempts, "Slut" does NOT mean "promiscuous" or "aggressively sexual" or "self-driven."

I'm thinking that when you say you feel "slutty" you mean you feel sexy and receptive. Which is also something that "slut" doesn't mean.

 

[seela]

No, there isn't much, in this society, that is perceived as shameful about masculinity.

I don't know any female slaves with shaven heads, but I do know some female dominants with shaven heads.

I know I'd feel utterly humiliated and as if a part of my gender identity was taken away if my head was shaven. It doesn't have anything to do with it being masculine and hence being bad, but more like it not being something that I am. Being forced completely out of my comfort zone. Having my pretty taken away from me. Being forced into becoming something completely different. I'd feel ridiculous, yes.

Being made more masculine would be a major part of why I'd feel humiliated and ridiculous. I'm a girly girl and I like myself that way, being bald just doesn't fit the picture.

It might not be as common as men being put into women's clothing, but I know women having their heads shaven happens.

And yes, society as a whole wouldn't see me ridiculed, because being bald = masculine, so yeah, I understand the point Stella's making about masculinity not being a negative thing. On a personal level, though, it'd be negative to me and having my femininity removed would be a big component in why it's negative.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You always make such good, thoughtful points, Seela. I apologise-- yes, many women would totally be humiliated by having their hair shaven. And in fact, maybe that would dehumanise someone to the point of really feeling like a 'slut.'

 

[Netzach]

I could see head shaving a femme as an act of objectification - more an "it" creation than a slut creation.

Also, I don't see "slut" as emppowering, but I don't see it as passive or powerless, either. I kind of see it as an amped up "nympho" - bottomless sexual receptivity, being in heat.

works for boys and girls.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I like the term "being in heat" and I sure do wish that "slut" meant something like that. In a better world-- it would.

Unfortunately there is so much baggage that comes along with that word.

 

[Netzach]

Fer sure.

But I think that's also how people use that word in a fetish context, kind of like "sadist" versus you know, clinical sadist...? I'm not sure.

The only times I really was exposed to slut and whore as words you call people outside of pervy time, were ways to marginalize other high school girls, most of whom were as sexually inexperienced as the people doing the namecalling or even less.

It wasn't something I really got painted with, if anything my being bullied always had to do with the idea that I was lame/out of it/unfuckworthy so it always seemed kind of like a dialogue people were having on another planet to me. Kind of like baby showers or golf - I get it, but I don't grok it.