McDonald's will replace cashiers with kiosks in 2,500 restaurants

[BotanyBoy]

Not sure why you say that.

Because they are going to kiosks instead of hiring more people for 15/hr.

Apparently they think that's the going to be a cheaper option.

Doesn't appear they decided to pull out of SF and Seattle where the min wage is $15.

Pulling out isn't the only solution.

Cut costs and raise prices...like they are doing by automating and charging more.

 

[juttjaw]

Mc D's experts think otherwise.

At any case they are just tired of it and how about fuck all those workers they can have zero dollars per hour now!

Not agree with you much, but I do here. It makes great business sense. Get rid of the pimple faced teens fucking up orders and causing delays because they can't recognize a picture of a fish-fillet and a double quarter pounder... I know what I want when I infrequently go to McDonald's.. I'd rather not talk to someone. If I fuck up the order, fuck me!

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realsp...-self-service-kiosks-nationwide/#1fecdf034fbc

Idiot. Automation has been going on since slavery. Ever heard of the cotton gin?

Low paying jobs below $15/hour are the ones that have been most vulnerable to automation. If nobody was fighting for $15 these jobs would have been automated anyway.

 

[water505]

Only those that go around demanding to be paid more than their job's worth.

Ishmael

It's no coincidence that the unskilled people demanding $15.00 per hour for cooking fries have a kindergartener's view of how the world works.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

It's no coincidence that the unskilled people demanding $15.00 per hour for cooking fries have a kindergartener's view of how the world works.

People who work at McDonald's are also often on welfare. McDonald's knows this - that's why they even help their workers get welfare!

http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/23/news/companies/mcdonalds-help-line-workers/index.html

So are you willing to pay tax dollars for their welfare? Or just let them fucking starve?

 

[about_average]

Because they are going to kiosks instead of hiring more people for 15/hr.

McDonald's says they are installing kiosks to increase sales, not because their employees are overpaid.
I guess next you'll claim self -service gas stations exist because the guys pumping gas wanted too much money.

 

[Rightguide]

A fiduciary responsibility, not a moral one.

In any case, a 16 cent rise (the increase needed to cover $15/hr wage) in the price of a big mac wouldn't hurt McDonald's bottom line, particularly when the millions saved in reduced turnover are factored in.

Most of their outlets are franchises with different bottom lines. You have no clue what the effect would be on those outlets. McDonald's has already published a study with negative outcomes that refute your bullshit.

 

[about_average]

Most of their outlets are franchises with different bottom lines. You have no clue what the effect would be on those outlets. McDonald's has already published a study with negative outcomes that refute your bullshit.

No doubt you can post a link to that study.

 

[Disgustipated]

No doubt you can post a link to that study.

He eats a McDonald's a lot.

 

[BotanyBoy]

McDonald's says they are installing kiosks to increase sales, not because their employees are overpaid.

Of course they did, the last thing they want to do is say they are installing kiosks because fuck paying people SIGNIFICANTLY more money than the kiosk costs and the people are worth.

Even if that is exactly what they are doing they will PR that shit into sounding like charity for all the poor starvin' children of the world by the time the media gets it.

I guess next you'll claim self -service gas stations exist because the guys pumping gas wanted too much money.

What % of gas stations out there are full service without it being legislated into existence?

0.1%? Maybe?

I've never seen one that wasn't legislated into existence.

Employers and consumers alike don't want to pay for them. Sure as shit not 15/hr.

 

[ronmcc2448]

Your assuming today's people want to work for $15.00 per hour? Why should they when they they are under the impression they deserve everything for nothing?

Do you know how many people under the age of 40 cant count change back with out the aide of a electronic device?

Do you know how many people cant give change back correctly if you add .02 after they have punched in your total?

Do you know how many employee cant function with out there cell phone on there person or in there cash wrap during there shift while working? Do you know how many lost hours that is a year?

Do you know how many people chew gum when taking your order,checking you out,etc? In most employee handbooks when dealing with the public your not allowed to chew gum.

Personal appearance policy. Clean uniform,clean fingernails bathed daily deoderant basic hygiene practices, follow the uniform policy. In other words dont look like you woke up two minutes before your shift slept in your clothes and didn't bathe or brush your teeth.

McDonalds spends roughly 40 hours training each new employee. That's after hiring process and verifying references etc.

McDonalds has to pay a competitive wage to keep up with the likes of In&Out Burger etc. One of McDonalds biggest cost is labor and no show no call,quit with no notice. Also depending on time of year they face staffing issues.

The kiosk idea has been around for a long time. It is just like online shopping. Once everyone gets USE to the idea except for the people who want personal interaction and true customer service. The kiosk will slowly weed out those who want something for nothing. They will all be home sitting in front of a video screen stoned and stupid wondering what happened.

 

[Disgustipated]

Your assuming today's people want to work for $15.00 per hour? Why should they when they they are under the impression they deserve everything for nothing?

Do you know how many people under the age of 40 cant count change back with out the aide of a electronic device?

Do you know how many people cant give change back correctly if you add .02 after they have punched in your total?

Do you know how many employee cant function with out there cell phone on there person or in there cash wrap during there shift while working? Do you know how many lost hours that is a year?

Do you know how many people chew gum when taking your order,checking you out,etc? In most employee handbooks when dealing with the public your not allowed to chew gum.

Personal appearance policy. Clean uniform,clean fingernails bathed daily deoderant basic hygiene practices, follow the uniform policy. In other words dont look like you woke up two minutes before your shift slept in your clothes and didn't bathe or brush your teeth.

McDonalds spends roughly 40 hours training each new employee. That's after hiring process and verifying references etc.

McDonalds has to pay a competitive wage to keep up with the likes of In&Out Burger etc. One of McDonalds biggest cost is labor and no show no call,quit with no notice. Also depending on time of year they face staffing issues.

The kiosk idea has been around for a long time. It is just like online shopping. Once everyone gets USE to the idea except for the people who want personal interaction and true customer service. The kiosk will slowly weed out those who want something for nothing. They will all be home sitting in front of a video screen stoned and stupid wondering what happened.

Do they know the difference between "your" and "you're"?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

People who work at McDonald's are also often on welfare. McDonald's knows this - that's why they even help their workers get welfare!

http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/23/news/companies/mcdonalds-help-line-workers/index.html

So are you willing to pay tax dollars for their welfare? Or just let them fucking starve?

My kid is not on welfare.

McDonald's was a great stepping stone for her.

It gave her experience, a track record and spending money.

She took her experience and track record and used it to land her dream job.

She still works one shift a week at McDonald's even though she has no need to, but under Obamacare, it's the only way to get more than 30 hours a week.

Once again, your touch with reality seems to be a bit tenuous. If people in places that are demanding $15 so that they can have a living wage, then perhaps those people should be looking hard at themselves, their government, its regulations and taxes and asking "Why are people not having the opportunity to work somewhere else than a minimum wage job?"

 

[jaF0]

Used to go to Hardee's quite a bit a long time ago. hadn't been to one in years so I thought I'd try them again. This was probably five years ago or so. Walked in, looked at the menu board. Every burger/sandwich was in the $5 range or higher. I laughed at the clerk and walked out.

They have to pay $15/hour just for the people to be able to afford to eat there.

Just go full circle back to the vending machines and automats. Put a buck in the slot, open a door, grab the food, Nuke it for 30 seconds and be happy.


On ATMs and whatnots -- REQUIRE the menu to default to English. Other languages could be optional with choices shown at the bottom of the screen.

Oh, and permanently ABOLISH and prohibit auto-attendants on phone calls. REQUIRE all call to be answered by a human (who speaks English).

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

That's because they changed their business model to serve higher-end fast food instead of cheap, fast food of lesser quality. That was when they merged with Carl's and adopted their menu.

It's the same difference between the DOS machines of the past and the Macs.

Macs were more expensive and more machine.

Now, if you want high-end, then yes, if you want better help, you pay more. But to be honest, it's probably pretty damned hard, no matter the business model to find people whom have a dream, a dream to flip burgers, the dream to be the team lead in a fast-food joint. If your dream is the food industry, it's probably to be a chef...

 

[jaF0]

That 16 cent price hike? Nobody really thinks that would go to line employee wages do they? We all KNOW it would go straight into the Suit's pockets, don't we?

My guess is that the Suits could take a 10% pay cut and cover the entire hourly wage increase with some left over.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Suits?


Most franchises are mom and pops or very small local corporations that run on a shoe-string.

Have you, yourself ever worked in a fast-food or service industry?

Those people whom you accused of lining their pockets are the same ones who take it in the shorts in any business hiccup or general downturn. Yes, there is a McDonald's corporation but they're not really in the restaurant business, they are in the franchise business.

 

[about_average]

Of course they did, the last thing they want to do is say they are installing kiosks because fuck paying people SIGNIFICANTLY more money than the kiosk costs and the people are worth.

It's cheaper than what they pay now. Even if they keep paying fed mimium they'd still be installing kiosks.

What % of gas stations out there are full service without it being legislated into existence?

Employers and consumers alike don't want to pay for them. Sure as shit not 15/hr.

I haven't seen one in probably 30 years. And they're not gone because people were wanting better pay.
Automation will always be cheaper, regardless of pay. That's why every industry out there that can is automating and eliminating human jobs, including coal and manufacturing, despite the Right's claims to the contrary.
Hell, banks are even moving to video tellers that connect to call centers. True, they're still people, but a heck of a lat fewer of them.

That 16 cent price hike? Nobody really thinks that would go to line employee wages do they? We all KNOW it would go straight into the Suit's pockets, don't we?

It doesn't really matter where it goes, the point is that it's disingenuous to claim it would ruin their business.

 

[jaF0]

Suits?


Most franchises are mom and pops or very small local corporations that run on a shoe-string.

Have you, yourself ever worked in a fast-food or service industry?

Yeah, the Suits. The corporate Suits that the franchisees pay their license fees to. And there are some BIG franchises too in the MickeyD and other junk food chains.


Yeah, I did. Hated it. Got out quick.

I haven't seen one in probably 30 years. And they're not gone because people were wanting better pay.

We had one up until about two years ago when it finally bit the dust. One of only two gas stations in town; the other being a grocery store of sorts among other things. That one is self-serve though with antiquated pumps (no card readers, levers instead of on screen buttons, analog numbers on rotating dials, etc.)

Next gas station of any kind is about 10-15 miles.

 

[Rightguide]

No doubt you can post a link to that study.

Here are the facts:

82% of their stores are franchises. The company goal is for a full 95% Franchisees ownership. Check out this article:

https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...ntage-of-mcdonalds-restaurants-are-owned.aspx

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's cheaper than what they pay now. Even if they keep paying fed mimium they'd still be installing kiosks.

Right. Because fed minimum = overpriced and they can't wait to cut that artificially inflated and enforced expense out of their ass's as any decent business owner should.

I haven't seen one in probably 30 years. And they're not gone because people were wanting better pay.

No one is saying it is....most of what I see says it's because consumers and business owners alike don't want to pay for that better pay.

Automation will always be cheaper, regardless of pay. That's why every industry out there that can is automating and eliminating human jobs, including coal and manufacturing, despite the Right's claims to the contrary.
Hell, banks are even moving to video tellers that connect to call centers. True, they're still people, but a heck of a lat fewer of them.

The right isn't claiming to the contrary, you just wish they were.

Their claim is that the 200/hr minimum wage you guys want is driving it....and they are right.

The bottom line is more important than the left likes to pretend it is. It is important enough to drive that automation.

The more expensive you and yours make it to run a business the harder that push will be. Personally I don't think you guys will stop until the government is the ONLY entity left in business.

It doesn't really matter where it goes, the point is that it's disingenuous to claim it would ruin their business.

I don't think anyone claimed it would ruin their bidnizz.....just force a change, and not the one the left or right was hoping for.

That 16 cent price hike? Nobody really thinks that would go to line employee wages do they?

It has to under federal law......it's a tax against the company that must be paid upfront or the government shuts said company down.

We all KNOW it would go straight into the Suit's pockets, don't we?

Only if you're a complete fucking moron with no idea of how money works.

My guess is that the Suits could take a 10% pay cut and cover the entire hourly wage increase with some left over.

Probably but each and every employee gets their legally mandated pay/benefits and that cost is paid up front, just like taxes and other hard bidnizz expenses.

 

[Beco]

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/20/mcdo...eers-replacement-of-cashiers-with-kiosks.html

Burger King is hiring...

 

[Rightguide]

It doesn't really matter where it goes, the point is that it's disingenuous to claim it would ruin their business.

You have nothing to back that up. The market is the best allocator of resources and the most reliable arbiter of market value vs costs. Your promotion of an arbitrary $15, one size fits all, hourly rate for a diversified array of business models represented by independent franchisees operating in different macro economies is the kind of heavy-handed policy that puts people out of business.

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Denny

Burger King is hiring...

Plus they have 89 cent pancakes and senior coffee.

 

[BotanyBoy]

* edited down to the core message*

Your promotion of an arbitrary $15, one size fits all, hourly rate for a diversified array of business models is the kind of heavy-handed policy that puts people out of business.

That is a major issue and a source for a huge amount of political conflict in this country.

The economic bubbles the uber-plex metro areas the left inhabits is simply not in tune with the rest of the country and they don't seem to understand what might for them is fucking devastating to others.

But they don't care about that so instead of living and letting live they must force EVERYONE through the power of the federal government to abide by their standards.

As bad as the Republicans and their war on drugs.

If everyone (cities and states) were to just mind their own fucking bidnizz and let other communities manage their own shit how THEY see fit a lot of the buu shit would come to an end. It all boils down to control freaks who can't keep their nose out of other peoples business.