My theory on incest stories

[Royyear85]

Firstly, I have never been abused. But I love Incest erotica.

Call it a male thing but for some reason a lush womanly body turns me on. I remember an incident when I got into a very awkward situation where I accidentally caught a glimpse of my elder sis in her bra and panties, that too I saw her back. And I, without even stopping for a moment, I went past by. But the scene stayed with me, without bringing in any kind of actual Incestuous thoughts into my mind.

BUT, when I catch a glimpse of a healthy sudden cleavage from my sis, or MOM, or a family lady. Or suddenly I am aware of the lushness of a family member's figure, I do feel dizzy. More than lust i just want to stare at their tits, or cleavages, just to admire. Or to admire and lust a bit. But, no thought of actually fucking them ever enters my mind!!

But i do love hard Incest stories, where a dad makes her girl give him a blowjob, or a mom is sexually satisfied by her son, or a sis gets her hunger satiated by her brother.

 

[Hypoxia]

A seven-year-old thread, resurrected from the dead!

I have never been molested, nor have I molested. (Bothered a little on both counts, but nothing more.) I do not consider myself a 'fan' of incest fiction -- but I write a fair amount of it. (Three more such tales are nearly done.) Why? Because I get good responses. Why? Because readers like it. Why? I dunno for sure. Maybe reading all this thread will help me understand audience motivations.

I write pandering tales, and challenging stories. My lowest-rated submission (BIG BANANA) is an IMHO well-written satirical piece about siblings who only fuck each other after being transformed into sentient banana slugs. Not a stroker, no. My highest-rated (THAT'S MY GIRL) features one of my emerging themes, inadvertent incest -- the participants aren't aware of their relationship before they start consorting. A few stroker moments in that story, I hope.

What I *don't* write (or haven't yet, anyway) are non-satirical tales of the I've-lusted-after-that-parent-child-sibling-etc-forever stereotypical sort. And I don't exploit power asymmetries -- an older relative forcing themselves on younger kin. THAT is obscene IMHO. But we can wonder: What motivates readers to WANT such stories, which IMHO border on non-com or more?

 

[DirtyAllie]

The last couple of posts remind of "rubbernecking" on the highway. You know when you see this terrible accident ahead and you think someone got hurt and don't want to look, but can't help it?

Same thing here. In reality incest is generally molestation and usually a father/brother/uncle diddling a young female family member. And its pretty disturbing.

But the stories here are 18 and over fantasy and consensual and it has a attraction to many people who would never like to publicly admit it. Its called a Taboo for a reason.

 

[robertreams]

My mother, who was a very beautiful woman, has been dead for 10 years, but even so, I cannot imagine. . . I also have a daughter and three sons. The idea of sex with any of them sickens me. However, My older brother was gay and taught me how to masturbate when I was very young. I often wondered about he and I. I also have had exactly one erotic dream about my younger brother. While I may be disappointed the dream did not last until fulfillment, I cannot even write a fantasy about that. My beloved daughter also is 0-0-bounds for any thought act or fantasy. I really don't get it

 

[robertreams]

I have a feeling that at least some of the of the mother/son incest stories I read on Lit. are either true incidences or strong fantasies. I have been asked to edit two son/mother incest stories in which every reference to "mom" is capitalized. Coincidence? Bad Spelling? Hmmm, probably not!

 

[ymmv]

The last couple of posts remind of "rubbernecking" on the highway. You know when you see this terrible accident ahead and you think someone got hurt and don't want to look, but can't help it?

I gather (from Andrew Sullivan's blog) that one label for the phenomenon is a form of hathos. Sullivan uses the example of repeatedly watching a tv host he hates.

I mostly like the high-school on-up stories. Little kid stories just aren't my thing. I had a cousin make a pass at me once. In retrospect I'm pretty sure she was deliberately teasing me. I froze like a deer in the headlights.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Incest isn't for everyone.
Personally, I've never felt any sexual attraction towards my sis and it is NOT a thumb rule that people interested in Incest stories have to harbor such feelings for their own family members. It's just what it is - A fantasy.
It is also the most read category on Lit, proving that many people DO have that fantasy, they're just afraid of the rejections, as it is still considered as a taboo in our society and rejected by Science due to Inbreeding Depression. Don't just take my word on it, go to the 'most read' stories section of Lit and you'll be surprised to find that most of them are Incest related.
To those people who have been molested by some family member, it is natural to feel disgusted at this category. Just don't force your views on other people.
That's all...me thinks.

 

[sr71plt]

Incest is the most-read section on Literotica primarily because there aren't too many story sites that permit incest. The writers and readers of it congregate here. That isn't really much of an index on the proportion of the population that gets off on that topic.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Alright then, take the criteria of most voted and most favorited category. It won't be accurate but it's still very popular there.
Besides I'm not promoting Incest. I'm talking about respecting people's fantasy, which might not be to the tastes of everyone. I respect safe sex between consenting human beings.

 

[sr71plt]

Alright then, take the criteria of most voted and most favorited category.

??? Why would the explanation that people have to go to where their fetish is served and this is one of the few places it's served be any different for voting and favoriting? There's no evidence that even the thought of incest is widespread in the general population--it's just that this is one of the few places you can go to get the fetish fed.

 

[Sammael Bard]

There's no evidence that even the thought of incest is widespread in the general population

I guess that you've already started reading people's mind. I can never know what people think in their minds and so can't you. Do you think people are crazy to admit in front of everyone that that they like Incest?
I don't think there has ever been a survey carried out on this topic and logically, there never will be one. Even those hardcore Incest fans don't scream out their fetishes in front of everyone. There are laws against such things.
Whether it is a widespread phenomenon or not cannot be decided by either you or me.

 

[sr71plt]

Yep, I guess I give people the benefit of the doubt on not all (or even many) being creepy. I'll go back to this being one of the few places you can find incest stories, though--that in itself--that it's one of the few places you can find it--should give you a clue on the attitudes of the general population. It's fine with me if you have the fetish. Making yourself feel part of some preponderant group by saying everyone has the fetish can cut it with you, if you like--it doesn't cut it with me.

 

[Sammael Bard]

*Exasperated sigh*

I'm not a hardcore Incest fan and neither do I like every goddamn Incest story on Lit. It has to be executed well enough to make it readable to me.

I respect the fact that many people squirm in their seats at the mention of Incest because we ARE SUPPOSED to avoid Incest due to the scientific logic I had mentioned earlier. It is a taboo topic but still...you can't reign in people's mind, can you?

Fantasy is a good thing as long as you live it in your mind and don't force it on anyone.

 

[sr71plt]

Yep, I agree with all of that--just not about the part about how widespread the fetish is just because it's very popular on this one Web site.

 

[Dalbhach]

Yep, I agree with all of that--just not about the part about how widespread the fetish is just because it's very popular on this one Web site.

Without scientific research (of which, I know of none) the position that incest is NOT a popular sexual theme in the general populace is unprovable. An unassailable argument, and logically flawed as there is also no evidence to the contrary.

As to the other argument that because the incest category is the most widely read/most popular (Although I can't be certain if that's true, even though incest stories do top the "most popular" and "most read" search lists) that it must be, what? Mainstream? At any rate, if the above is true, then a little math might be illuminating.

The total of all other categories on Lit, excluding those that may crossover such as chain stories, novels and novellas, reviews and essays, etc., comes to 249,823.

The total in the incest category is 30,546 - just over 12% of all other categories. Interesting, no?

 

[Hypoxia]

Some reality:

Certain subjects are culturally taboo because they are attractive. If humans were not attracted, the taboo would be superfluous. Sort of like warning labels on products. A device may be labeled DON'T STICK FINGERS IN HERE because people have obviously done so, and the maker was tired of being sued. Murder is taboo because people are prone to murderous feelings. Incest is taboo because relatives are close, available, and attractive. Is an incest taboo rational? I'll let you decide.

Incest is defined variously by different subcultures. Some societies abhor cousin marriage; some require it. Close-kin marriage was common in Western aristocratic circles until quite recently. Some cultures ban only parent or sibling or avuncular (aunt-uncle) sexual relations. Others ban relations between step-kin and other biologically unrelated family, or even distant members of the same clan or moiety. So, YOUR incest is not the same as MY or THEIR incest.

AFAIK the nasty reality of most incest is that older males abuse younger females. This is not unlike pastors abusing youngsters of either sex. It's called "power asymmetry". IMHO such sexual power asymmetries are WRONG, but are obviously not uncommon. People do bad things. We write about such bad things for drama, tragedy, comedy, entertainment. And readers who consume those entertainments are voyeurs, peering into wrongness.

The incest fantasies I write, which readers seem to like, involve willing adults. I have stories in the pipeline that will include more realistic experiences -- but still within LIT's guidelines. I doubt my writings will change many views on incest, rather as my WHAT IS CHEATING? essay (linked below) doesn't have many fans. Hmmm, maybe I should write WHAT IS INCEST? next.

 

[DirtyAllie]

Spend a lot of time on erotica sites/porn sites and buy a lot of erotica e-books and incest is a category I enjoy providing I can find a decent story with the taboo lust.

Incest far and away is number one here, everyone can plainly see that. Taboo is one of the top 5 (some might say number one) porn films of all time. In fact it all but redefined the word taboo to mean incest and this site proves that by lumping incest/taboo together.

Off this site. Redtube/porn hub/xhamster all the free sites that upload video clips from sites like brazzers and bang brothers and countless others have a ton of series based on step incest, so not quite the real thing, but more for legal reasons and lets face it, what are the viewers really thinking? Those sites are many and very popular.

E-books? Incest dominated amazon's erotica section for years. When it was banned pseudo incest now rules the erotica sales. Sites that allow "real" incest stories report it is one of, if not, their best selling genre.

Fact is incest is a very popular dirty little secret. Why? I have theories, but am not going to subject anyone to them. But fact is it is immensely, some would say disturbingly, popular far more so than the "general" erotica genres like group and interracial and basic erotica. BDSM might be close, but only because it encompasses such a wide range from what is basically poorly written rape porn down to light teasing bondage, but even then....

So it is safe to say it is hugely popular where ever it can be found.

And I do think this site being that it is the largest by far is a good barometer for its popularity. I know each view does not equate a read, but I have seen incest stories here with over a million views! That's.....back to amazing/disturbing again.

In general it is the one line you really cannot cross in reality and that is the appeal. Want to have a threesome? You can. Want to explore gay/lesbian sex? You can. You can have sex with a person of a different race, you can explore BDSM, cross dressing, rape play,...you can try anything in real life except....having sex(we are stressing consensual fantasy not molestation or rape) with a sister/brother/parent etc....so the only way to explore is fantasy.

In a very sexually open society it is the one thing that is still best kept secret. A fun dirty little secret and that is the draw.

It is amazing how many people there are who have had anywhere from passing thoughts to full blown fantasies of family members.

As for proving it? That can just as easily be turned around to prove its not. The onus does not have to be on only one side to prove their point.

 

[DirtyAllie]

*Exasperated sigh*

I'm not a hardcore Incest fan and neither do I like every goddamn Incest story on Lit. It has to be executed well enough to make it readable to me.

I respect the fact that many people squirm in their seats at the mention of Incest because we ARE SUPPOSED to avoid Incest due to the scientific logic I had mentioned earlier. It is a taboo topic but still...you can't reign in people's mind, can you?

Fantasy is a good thing as long as you live it in your mind and don't force it on anyone.

Westermarck theory. We are conditioned as early as in the womb(supposedly, I am not sure I can ask a fetus what it is thinking) not to be attracted to family members.

Yet....the back half of that theory mentions that if siblings are separated at a very young age and reintroduced later in life even as early as early teens there is a high probability they will be sexually attracted to each other, almost unnaturally so.

Interesting, no? Many believe that its as simple as we as humans do not like being told who we cannot have and for some even to that level,

An interesting topic on and off sites like this.

 

[LWulf]

The reason it remains a taboo in society is because all other taboos can be freely explored in a hedonistic society.

Blow jobs at one time were taboo.
Then deep throat.
Anal sex.
bi-sexuality (more so than homosexual relationships because it tries to break the barrier between homo and hetero sexualities).

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Almost anybody can have done all the above, few can say they did incest.

The only one that remains relatively unexplored is incest. Because of those that are involved, it is not something that will ever likely be freely explored. Yes, some people do (and I believe that number is relatively small) explore it but that doesn't mean it is freely explored by all.

Thus it gains allure, yet never satisfies.

 

[DirtyAllie]

The reason it remains a taboo in society is because all other taboos can be freely explored in a hedonistic society.

Blow jobs at one time were taboo.
Then deep throat.
Anal sex.
bi-sexuality (more so than homosexual relationships because it tries to break the barrier between homo and hetero sexualities).

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Almost anybody can have done all the above, few can say they did incest.

The only one that remains relatively unexplored is incest. Because of those that are involved, it is not something that will ever likely be freely explored. Yes, some people do (and I believe that number is relatively small) explore it but that doesn't mean it is freely explored by all.

Thus it gains allure, yet never satisfies.

That's pretty much was I was trying to say, but your last line really adds to it.

 

[LWulf]

That's pretty much was I was trying to say, but your last line really adds to it.

Aha. Sorry I didn't read down to your comment. If I realized I was reiterating what someone else was saying, I wouldn't have said anything.

 

[DirtyAllie]

Aha. Sorry I didn't read down to your comment. If I realized I was reiterating what someone else was saying, I wouldn't have said anything.

Oh, no worries! I think you said it better.

Besides if people weren't allowed to repeat themselves or others we wouldn't have too many posts here.

 

[IntmtStrngr]

The reason it remains a taboo in society is because all other taboos can be freely explored in a hedonistic society.

Blow jobs at one time were taboo.
Then deep throat.
Anal sex.
bi-sexuality (more so than homosexual relationships because it tries to break the barrier between homo and hetero sexualities).

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Almost anybody can have done all the above, few can say they did incest.

The only one that remains relatively unexplored is incest. Because of those that are involved, it is not something that will ever likely be freely explored. Yes, some people do (and I believe that number is relatively small) explore it but that doesn't mean it is freely explored by all.

Thus it gains allure, yet never satisfies.

the very last line is a very poignant one and too true...

 

[LWulf]

Thanks IntmtStrngr

Oh, no worries! I think you said it better.

Besides if people weren't allowed to repeat themselves or others we wouldn't have too many posts here.

Thanks. I didn't mean that I thought it's against any rules, just I personally hate doing it. That's all. If someone says something before me that I felt is exactly how I felt then I'd prefer to quote them and say:

"^^THIS."

Even though for me, it would look like:

"V V THIS."

 

[sr71plt]

Without scientific research (of which, I know of none) the position that incest is NOT a popular sexual theme in the general populace is unprovable. An unassailable argument, and logically flawed as there is also no evidence to the contrary.

Sorry, that's wrong. We don't live in a repressve society--especially not on the Internet. Real popular theme and issues get a lot of play--naturally. They reflect real interest. You are living in a small bubble if you think that incest gets a lot of play in society--or on the Internet. If it did you'd find much more of it on the net than you do. You don't really have to get more scientific than natural play of interests on the Internet.