Now that we're all lesbians: same-ish sex couples

[rgraham666]

I'm now a lesbian?!!!?

Shouldn't I receive some sort of 'Change of Status' notification from the Central Beauracracy?

 

[Guest]

Many het couples look alike (to a degree). Remember Mick and Bianca Jagger?

I've seen photo shoots of people who look like their dogs too.

Perdita

Apparently (and I can't remember where I heard this - some BBC documentary, I suspect), we are genetically pre-disposed to go for partners who bear a resemblance to ourselves. It's all about keeping the genes strong, and family traits going generation after generation.

Can't say my hubby looks like me, even with a dress on.

As for the dog thing, well Billy has got long black ears and an athletic build. Nah, nothing like me then, apart from the hair.

Lou

 

[Svenskaflicka]

If I were me, I wouldn't roger me. I find that opposites attract.

Why do you think I always fall for skinny, black guys?

 

[Guest]

In fact, the infamous "T-Shirt Study" demonstrates that opposites do attract, at least heterosexual women who are not on the pill.

This is scary, if you happen to be taking birth control pills and are in love with the man of your dreams, scroll past it. I posted it once before, in a thread about the chemistry that draws people together.

Yale did a study to see how pheromones function in determining sexual attraction. They selected a group of male students and had them work out while wearing identical white t-shirts.

Female students were asked to smell the sweaty t-shirts and select one that "might belong to a man you'd find attractive." Almost invariably, a woman chose the shirt of a man who's DNA was the most UNLIKE her own. Nature telling us to find an opposite to keep the gene pool healthy, I guess.

But here's the disturbing part: The same study was later repeated with women divided into groups who were/were not taking birth control pills. Women on the pill tended to choose men who whose dna was MOST like their own, rather than least.

So these pills we've been taking, some of us for decades, have been making us feel sexually attracted to Mr. Wrong. Which doesn't matter a whit to those of us who have no plans to go off the pill, but just to shift over to another estrogen/progesterin dose when the time comes. But think of the effect on women who date and fall in love on the pill; marry, then go off of it so they can start a family. They marry Mr. Wrong thinking he's Mr. Right, then find themselves pregnant by Mr. Wrong. Am I right?

Maybe all those photos of couples who look like each other indicate that there's some sexual chemistry that's not unlike the affect of being on the pill: you're choosing the mate most like you, rather than least like you. Of the entire photo layout in Newsweek about the San Francisco weddings, there was only one "opposites" pairing, at least based on appearance. A tall, thin black man and his shirt, white, pleasingly plump partner. The rest looked so much alike, I wonder if they've ever noticed.

Sher, the smell thing is about determining which grouping of immune system we belong to.

The stronger the immune system, the stronger the smell. And, again apparently, we always go after mates with a completely different smell from our own (hence different immune system). It is all about having strong offspring.

This, however, has nothing to do with looks.

Lou

 

[Guest]

I dunno about lesbian. But my grandmother was Latvian. Do I get a price?

Depends. Was she a Latvian lesbian? How would you rate her husband? Then you must enter your parents into the equation. Gender identity and status is not simple, Lime. Being Mexican of Aztec descent is why my fem rating is low, it takes mucho generations to cleanse the blood of machismo.

poor Perdu

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I think being known as the Diosa de Twat takes away atleast 4 generations worth of machismo.

 

[pop_54]

Ha

pop, what's rogering?

inquisitive in indonesia,
mia

It's engaging in sexual intercourse my dear, I would say 'fucking' but I always moderate my language in front of people I don't know too well, I'd hate to offend

 

[Guest]

I think being known as the Diosa de Twat takes away atleast 4 generations worth of machismo.

Oops, blowing you a kiss probably lowered my score again. It's so hard being a girlie.

P.

 

[Guest]

Quick, Pops! Roger me. I need to bring out my girlie side.

Perdita

 

[Guest]

Erm, Pops... isn't "rogering" technically "up the bum"?

Not that I'm not partial.

Lou

 

[Guest]

Erm, Pops... isn't "rogering" technically "up the bum"?

Great! That should give me even more points on the fem side, bottom, whatever .

Perdita

 

[pop_54]

Erm, Pops... isn't "rogering" technically "up the bum"?

Not that I'm not partial.

Lou

Probably dear, but then I've never been overly fussy, any hole's a goal

 

[pop_54]

Quick, Pops! Roger me. I need to bring out my girlie side.

Perdita

Hey girlie, Rogering cumming up Love to feel your Mango's while Rogering you

 

[Guest]

Probably dear, but then I've never been overly fussy, any hole's a goal

Hehehe! A man after my own heart.

Lou

 

[Guest]

Hehehe! A man after my own heart.

Lou, I call him "a man after my own twat"

Perdita

 

[Guest]

Lou, I call him "a man after my own twat"

Perdita

Ha! Love it!

There goes my wine again. That's happened twice this week, and it was you both times.

Lou

 

[lucky-E-leven]

Female students were asked to smell the sweaty t-shirts and select one that "might belong to a man you'd find attractive." Almost invariably, a woman chose the shirt of a man who's DNA was the most UNLIKE her own. Nature telling us to find an opposite to keep the gene pool healthy, I guess.

But here's the disturbing part: The same study was later repeated with women divided into groups who were/were not taking birth control pills. Women on the pill tended to choose men who whose dna was MOST like their own, rather than least.

So these pills we've been taking, some of us for decades, have been making us feel sexually attracted to Mr. Wrong. Which doesn't matter a whit to those of us who have no plans to go off the pill, but just to shift over to another estrogen/progesterin dose when the time comes. But think of the effect on women who date and fall in love on the pill; marry, then go off of it so they can start a family. They marry Mr. Wrong thinking he's Mr. Right, then find themselves pregnant by Mr. Wrong. Am I right?

You're more than just right. You are Ms. Right.

If this is true...

~lucky

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Oops, blowing you a kiss probably lowered my score again. It's so hard being a girlie.

P.

I tend to see it like this: "I'm a woman. Ergo, anything that I do, is womanly."

 

[sweetnpetite]

God that's funny!

I loved that subJoe declared all women are lesbians and that Lucky replied all men were too (on Mtn. man's "wank" thread). This bit of satire on gender issues is well done and funny. I think I'm a -3 or 4 fem. Yikes. How might you rate yourselves?

Perdita

MY AMENDMENT - by GEORGE SAUNDERS - The New Yorker On-line; 2004-03-08

As an obscure, middle-aged, heterosexual short-story writer, I am often asked, George, do you have any feelings about Same-Sex Marriage?

To which I answer, Actually, yes, I do.

Like any sane person, I am against Same-Sex Marriage, and in favor of a constitutional amendment to ban it.

To tell the truth, I feel that, in the interest of moral rigor, it is necessary for us to go a step further, which is why I would like to propose a supplementary constitutional amendment.

In the town where I live, I have frequently observed a phenomenon I have come to think of as Samish-Sex Marriage. Take, for example, K, a male friend of mine, of slight build, with a ponytail. K is married to S, a tall, stocky female with extremely short hair, almost a crewcut. Often, while watching K play with his own ponytail as S towers over him, I have wondered, Isn’t it odd that this somewhat effeminate man should be married to this somewhat masculine woman? Is K not, on some level, imperfectly expressing a slight latent desire to be married to a man? And is not S, on some level, imperfectly expressing a slight latent desire to be married to a woman?

Then I ask myself, Is this truly what God had in mind?

Take the case of L, a female friend with a deep, booming voice. I have often found myself looking askance at her husband, H. Though H is basically pretty masculine, having neither a ponytail nor a tight feminine derrière like K, still I wonder: H, when you are having marital relations with L, and she calls out your name in that deep, booming, nearly male voice, and you continue having marital relations with her (i.e., you are not “turned off”), does this not imply that you, H, are, in fact, still “turned on”? And doesn’t this indicate that, on some level, you, H, have a slight latent desire to make love to a man?

Or consider the case of T, a male friend with an extremely small penis. (We attend the same gym.) He is married to O, an average-looking woman who knows how to fix cars. I wonder about O. How does she know so much about cars? Is she not, by tolerating this non-car-fixing, short-penised friend of mine, indicating that, on some level, she wouldn’t mind being married to a woman, and is therefore, perhaps, a tiny bit functionally gay?

And what about T? Doesn’t the fact that T can stand there in the shower room at our gym, confidently towelling off his tiny unit, while O is at home changing their sparkplugs with alacrity, indicate that it is only a short stroll down a slippery slope before he is completely happy being the “girl” in their relationship, from which it is only a small fey hop down the same slope before T is happily married to another man, perhaps my car mechanic, a handsome Portuguese fellow I shall refer to as J?

Because my feeling is, when God made man and woman He had something very specific in mind. It goes without saying that He did not want men marrying men, or women marrying women, but also what He did not want, in my view, was feminine men marrying masculine women.

Which is why I developed my Manly Scale of Absolute Gender.

Using my Scale, which assigns numerical values according to a set of masculine and feminine characteristics, it is now easy to determine how Manly a man is and how Fem a woman is, and therefore how close to a Samish-Sex Marriage a given marriage is.

Here’s how it works. Say we determine that a man is an 8 on the Manly Scale, with 10 being the most Manly of all and 0 basically a Neuter. And say we determine that his fiancée is a -6 on the Manly Scale, with a -10 being the most Fem of all. Calculating the difference between the man’s rating and the woman’s rating—the Gender Differential—we see that this proposed union is not, in fact, a Samish-Sex Marriage, which I have defined as “any marriage for which the Gender Differential is less than or equal to 10 points.”

Friends whom I have identified as being in Samish-Sex Marriages often ask me, George, given that we have scored poorly, what exactly would you have us do about it?

Well, one solution I have proposed is divorce—divorce followed by remarriage to a more suitable partner. K, for example, could marry a voluptuous high-voiced N.F.L. cheerleader, who would more than offset his tight feminine derrière, while his ex-wife, S, might choose to become involved with a lumberjack with very large arms, thereby neutralizing her thick calves and faint mustache.

Another, and of course preferable, solution would be to repair the existing marriage, converting it from a Samish-Sex Marriage to a healthy Normal Marriage, by having the feminine man become more masculine and/or the masculine woman become more feminine.

Often, when I propose this, my friends become surly. How dare I, they ask. What business is it of mine? Do I think it is easy to change in such a profound way?

To which I say, It is not easy to change, but it is possible.

I know, because I have done it.

When young, I had a tendency to speak too quickly, while gesturing too much with my hands. Also, my opinions were unfirm. I was constantly contradicting myself in that fast voice, while gesturing like a girl. Also, I cried often. Things seemed so sad. I had long blond hair, and liked it. My hair was layered and fell down across my shoulders, and, I admit it, I would sometimes slow down when passing a shopwindow to look at it, to look at my hair! I had a strange constant feeling of being happy to be alive. This feeling of infinite possibility sometimes caused me to laugh when alone, or even, on occasion, to literally skip down the street, before pausing in front of a shopwindow and giving my beautiful hair a cavalier toss.

To tell the truth, I do not think I would have scored very high on my Manly Scale, if the Scale had been invented at that time, by me. I suspect I would have scored so Fem on the test that I would have been prohibited from marrying my wife, P, the love of my life. And I think, somewhere in my heart, I knew that.

I knew I was too Fem.

So what did I do about it? Did I complain? Did I whine? Did I expect activist judges to step in on my behalf, manipulating the system to accommodate my peculiarity?

No, I did not.

What I did was I changed. I undertook what I like to think of as a classic American project of self-improvement. I made videos of myself talking, and studied these, and in time succeeded in training myself to speak more slowly, while almost never moving my hands. Now, if you ever meet me, you will observe that I always speak in an extremely slow and manly and almost painfully deliberate way, with my hands either driven deep into my pockets or held stock-still at the ends of my arms, which are bent slightly at the elbows, as if I were ready to respond to the slightest provocation by punching you in the face. As for my opinions, they are very firm. I rarely change them. When I feel like skipping, I absolutely do not skip. As for my long beautiful hair—well, I am lucky, in that I am rapidly going bald. Every month, when I recalculate my ranking on the Manly Scale, I find myself becoming more and more Manly, as my hair gets thinner and my girth increases, thickening my once lithe, almost girlish physique, thus insuring the continuing morality and legality of my marriage to P.

My point is simply this: If I was able to effect these tremendous positive changes in my life, to avoid finding myself in the moral/legal quagmire of a Samish-Sex Marriage, why can’t K, S, L, H, T, and O do the same?

I implore any of my readers who find themselves in a Samish-Sex Marriage: Change. If you are a feminine man, become more manly. If you are a masculine woman, become more feminine. If you are a woman and are thick-necked or lumbering, or have ever had the slightest feeling of attraction to a man who is somewhat pale and fey, deny these feelings and, in a spirit of self-correction, try to become more thin-necked and light-footed, while, if you find it helpful, watching videos of naked masculine men, to sort of retrain yourself in the proper mode of attraction. If you are a man and, upon seeing a thick-waisted, athletic young woman walking with a quasi-mannish gait through your local grocery, you imagine yourself in a passionate embrace with her, in your car, a car that is parked just outside, and which is suddenly, in your imagination, full of the smell of her fresh young breath—well, stop thinking that! Are you a man or not?

I, for one, am sick and tired of this creeping national tendency to let certain types of people take advantage of our national good nature by marrying individuals who are essentially of their own gender. If this trend continues, before long our towns and cities will be full of people like K, S, L, H, T, and O, people “asserting their rights” by dating, falling in love with, marrying, and spending the rest of their lives with whomever they please.

I, for one, am not about to stand by and let that happen.

Because then what will we have? A nation ruled by the anarchy of unconstrained desire. A nation of willful human hearts, each lurching this way and that and reaching out for whatever it spontaneously desires, trying desperately to find some comforting temporary shred of warmth in a mostly cold world, totally unconcerned about the external form in which that other, long-desired heart is embodied.

That is not the kind of world in which I wish to live.

I, for one, intend to become ever more firmly male, enjoying my golden years, while watching P become ever more female, each of us vigilant for any hint of ambiguity in the other.

And as our children grow, should they begin to show the slightest hint of some lingering residue of the opposite gender, P and I will lovingly pull them aside and list all the particulars by which we were able to identify their unintentional deficiency.

Then, together, we will devise a suitable correction.

And, in this way, the race will go on.

 

[sweetnpetite]

I tend to see it like this: "I'm a woman. Ergo, anything that I do, is womanly."

LOL, precicely!!

Now, if only men were so secure

 

[redrider4u]

LOL, precicely!!

Now, if only men were so secure

Hey, I am secure in being a man. Really. In fact, that's why so many men like lesbians............we share the same love for women.

Although, I wonder if lesbian couples are better at remembering important dates?


( hi, Per, been a while.)