Obama: Dom Or Sub?

[bridgeburner]

True, and normally I wouldn't start this conversation for fear of pissing many people off. BUT, in my rather enlightened opinion, if you don't get dogs then you have no business owning a dog. And the fundamental thing with dogs is figuring out who's running the show, and it's a hell of a lot easier to say to a dog, "I'm in charge here and you are going to do absolutely everything I tell you to." than it is to get a person to understand all that. Alright, now I'm ranting .... Sorry everyone, I'm going to go back to my corner with my dime and count to 100 to compose myself.

How does the old saw go? "If you ever get full of your own power just try bossing another guy's dog around."

I think we're not looking at an ideal or even typical dog/owner relationship. Who spends time training the puppy? I would bet money that it isn't Barak. Frankly, I'd be a little concerned if it was. He's got plenty of important stuff to do and if he's got time left over from work I'd rather he spend it on teaching his kids and communing with his wife rather than training Bo to heel.

The most important element of dog training is consistency. I doubt Bo gets a lot of that and if he is getting it I rather doubt that it's coming from the leader of the free world.

 

[Cattypuss]

Oh dear. How could anyone be less sexy than big Gordie? Poor you, Catty!

Scotsman, I will say this, and it's got nowt to do with your username..... Brown's voice is a hell of a lot sexier to me than Obama's voice. I lurve Scottish accents (unless they make the speaker sound like Rab C. Nesbitt).

Whenever I look at Gordon Brown, though, I remember this Frankie Boyle comment made just after Brown became PM, and I laugh:

"You can just imagine Bush seeing Brown and thinking "Oh my god, has Tony Blair had a stroke?".

 

[Netzach]

To be perfectly honest with you I wasn't very aware of the world when those interactions were happening. Didn't see footage like I have with Obama, so I can't really have an opinion. That and I just said I was going to stop hijacking threads with my dog-ology crap.

Ah.

I mostly remember a poorly socialized scottie biting a reporter who was, admittedly being a bit of a dumbass by getting in his face.
And being dropped on an airline tarmac, like tax revenues.

 

[Homburg]

True, and normally I wouldn't start this conversation for fear of pissing many people off. BUT, in my rather enlightened opinion, if you don't get dogs then you have no business owning a dog. And the fundamental thing with dogs is figuring out who's running the show, and it's a hell of a lot easier to say to a dog, "I'm in charge here and you are going to do absolutely everything I tell you to." than it is to get a person to understand all that. Alright, now I'm ranting .... Sorry everyone, I'm going to go back to my corner with my dime and count to 100 to compose myself.

I agree completely. I was raised around some pretty scary dogs. Bear-hunting dogs do not fuck about, especially as you are no where near even remotely as scary as a bear, and he kills bears. My grandfather taught me to never take any guff from the dog and make sure he always knows that "you mean goddamned business". The only dog of his that I ever had issues with was the alpha dog of his bear-pack, and that was a dog that would look anyone but my grandfather in the eye and mean it. As I was probably 7 years old at them time, and smaller than said evil bastard of a dog, it was pretty tough for me "mean goddamned business" around that dog.

It is illustrative to me that the family had no dog prior to the presidential bid. There's probably a reason for it. Pet people, dog or cat, tend to have pets. People that don't get the pet thing tend to not have them. I do agree that people who don't get dogs shouldn't own them.

I haven't had a problem with a (healthy) dog since. *shrug* Like I said, I learned early enough how to deal with them, so it isn't a big thing. Obama may well have not had any dog experience prior.

In the end though, I'm not all that keen on judging a world leader type on how well-behaved his dog is. Watch home movie clips of Hitler and you'll see that his dog is mighty well behaved. Admittedly though, Hitler's dog flinches a lot in the clip I'm thinking of, which tells me that she was probably all too acquainted with the violent side of der fuhrer's temper. So, in that sense, her behaviour is damning of him as a person. Maybe my example is specious...

 

[bridgeburner]

Homburg said: It is illustrative to me that the family had no dog prior to the presidential bid. There's probably a reason for it.

Yep --- a few reasons:

Two full-time working professionals with very young children one of whom has fairly serious pet allergies.

 

[Netzach]

I agree completely. I was raised around some pretty scary dogs. Bear-hunting dogs do not fuck about, especially as you are no where near even remotely as scary as a bear, and he kills bears. My grandfather taught me to never take any guff from the dog and make sure he always knows that "you mean goddamned business". The only dog of his that I ever had issues with was the alpha dog of his bear-pack, and that was a dog that would look anyone but my grandfather in the eye and mean it. As I was probably 7 years old at them time, and smaller than said evil bastard of a dog, it was pretty tough for me "mean goddamned business" around that dog.

It is illustrative to me that the family had no dog prior to the presidential bid. There's probably a reason for it. Pet people, dog or cat, tend to have pets. People that don't get the pet thing tend to not have them. I do agree that people who don't get dogs shouldn't own them.

I haven't had a problem with a (healthy) dog since. *shrug* Like I said, I learned early enough how to deal with them, so it isn't a big thing. Obama may well have not had any dog experience prior.

In the end though, I'm not all that keen on judging a world leader type on how well-behaved his dog is. Watch home movie clips of Hitler and you'll see that his dog is mighty well behaved. Admittedly though, Hitler's dog flinches a lot in the clip I'm thinking of, which tells me that she was probably all too acquainted with the violent side of der fuhrer's temper. So, in that sense, her behaviour is damning of him as a person. Maybe my example is specious...

Possibly noise crowds who knows what. The Blind Spot secretary remembers everyone in the bunker at the end being wonderfully enamored of and kind to their animal friends.

 

[Sayyid]

He's the president of the most powerful nation on Earth and you're questioning if he's a sub or dom? For good or for worse, he's now America's dom and by extension the whole world.

He's also quite good-looking for his age. Love that mocha skin.

 

[rosco rathbone]

He's the president of the most powerful nation on Earth and you're questioning if he's a sub or dom? For good or for worse, he's now America's dom and by extension the whole world.

He's also quite good-looking for his age. Love that mocha skin.

Interesting that you associate the office of chief executive with the psychosexual role of dom.

 

[Sayyid]

Both are a position of authority which would be why.

Though judging from your avatar you probably don't think much of authority in general.

 

[VeronicaSexie]

Both are a position of authority which would be why.

Though judging from your avatar you probably don't think much of authority in general.

Uh oh, cat fight!

Couldn't resist that...

 

[rosco rathbone]

Though judging from your avatar you probably don't think much of authority in general.

Well well.

I'm impressed!

 

[Sayyid]

That I knew what the black cat stood for? Nah. I'm a political science major.

 

[Homburg]

Well well.

I'm impressed!

The avatar has been driving me up a wall. It looks familiar as hell, but I can't place it.

ETA: I saw it on the back of a friend's work truck. Having placed the context, I did the research. Interesting stuff.

 

[rosco rathbone]

That I knew what the black cat stood for? Nah. I'm a political science major.

cool

The avatar has been driving me up a wall. It looks familiar as hell, but I can't place it.

It's the IWW wildcat

 

[Sayyid]

It's an anarchist symbol. It represents a wildcat strike, which is a strike that isn't officially sanctioned, but workers do it anyway.

 

[bridgeburner]

And here I thought Rosco was just pining for Halloween.

Dang, I'm outta the loop!

Having now followed the link, WERC sounds like a very good idea to me.

 

[Sayyid]

Well not everyone's that into politics. I am, though.

 

[RJMasters]

Have to say switch.

Bats for capitalistic/democratic countries

Catches for socialistic marxist countries

 

[wife2hotblk]

In my fantasizes...always dom.

 

[Marquis]

social Dom, bedroom sub. Michelle is without question a bedroom dom, she kinda scares me to be honest.

I'm not so sure. She certainly does have the "strong black woman" image, but lots of things change behind closed doors. I've seen them interact a few times before where I've felt she showed him a lot of deference.

She also represents something that BHO never had. A strong, stable, loving, intact, nuclear family, existing within a close-knit extended family and clearly defined cultural group. I think he looks to her to see how that's done.

This is pretty smart, I see that too.

And some of the most tightly wound people I know seem relaxed because they have enough presence of mind to realise that they need to seem relaxed.

Exactly.

Have to say switch.

Bats for capitalistic/democratic countries

Catches for socialistic marxist countries

Nice to see you RJ.

 

[JMohegan]

I was in the grocery store today, and saw a tabloid with the headline:

OBAMA'S GAY LOVER IN THE WHITE HOUSE -
MICHELLE'S FURY!

The woman in front of me was shaking her head, and muttering, "This is just wrong. They should show the president some respect."

Free speech, I guess, but really - isn't it enough that the entire wingnut world is obsessing over his birth certificate? Are they getting bored now, and branching out? Going for market niche?



And by the way - when the hell is Lou Dobbs going to be fired?

 

[Sayyid]

Have to say switch.

Bats for capitalistic/democratic countries

Catches for socialistic marxist countries

You're a product of the Cold War, aren't you? There are five Marxist-Leninist countries left and in any case Obama is, like most liberals, a committed capitalist fundamentally.

 

[rosco rathbone]

You're a product of the Cold War, aren't you? There are five Marxist-Leninist countries left and in any case Obama is, like most liberals, a committed capitalist fundamentally.

You are needed on the GB.

 

[Recidiva]

Tactical switch in public.

His ability to compartmentalize means I have no idea whatsoever what he really likes. I think he's grasped "give people what you want to get what you want" fully.

Since he's the President though, and that takes some work, I'd make a good assumption that what he likes is control. Which might make him a sub

 

[RJMasters]

Nice to see you RJ.

Good to see you Marquis. Caught your vids a little while back. Good stuff man. Love those fire cups.


To the subject at hand.... Obama is one who delegates authority. To read him as I do, I would say his sweet spot is knowing that he is in control. He doesn't feel the need to hold the whip in his hand, his thrill comes by controlling the one who is holding the whip in their hand.

In his personal life, I think simillar themes apply. I think they have a very traditional vanilla type relationship, where he wears the pants in the family and Michelle is quite happy about that as long as she and the kids are loved and respected.

Of the two in the relationship, I believe that Michelle has much stronger character than Obama does. I don't think Michelle looks to Obama for acceptance and approval, but I do think Obama does look to Michelle for these things. I think a lot of his self confidence comes from the loyal support of Michelle behind close doors.

At the root of his ambiition to rise to power, I don't think he sought power to assert it as much as he sought power to ensure that others have no control over him. This is purely a guess of course, but it fits from my perspective.

He is certainly not a weak man, but if I would have to put a tag on his toe, I would say he has a Dom complex with emotional submissive tendencies that often come into conflict with each other and it is a good thing for him and this country he has such a good, strong devoted wife who loves and supports him and keeps his ship afloat.