Predators, Players and Bull Shit Artists

Des, this is a great thread. Thank you for starting it.

It seems to me than in the time that I have been on line and looking for one person or another, I have run across all kinds of people.

From the person who tells you to take a lit cigarette and burn yourself with it ( he was a real jewel) to the ones who want to truss you up in a corset and 6 inch heels... to the ones who want to beat you black and blue, well you get the idea there are all kinds of them out there. I find that these fall into your basic predator group. There were some that I had a little more contact with, that after exchanging an email or two demanded my phone number and address... I find this type a little scarier myself.

Because I tended to stay away from chat rooms for the most part, and because I was not interested in an on-line D/s relationship, I never learned the lingo and I never saw some of the things discussed here regarding chat room behavior. I did read horror stories of women who were horribly abused in the name of D/s. I think this is not because that doesn't happend to men as well, it is just that women tend to be more vocal about this kind of thing... at least afterwards.

Later after I had met Himself and we began this long journey into finding the right person to compliment our lives, I found a variety of women who for the most part just did not get it. Himself and I were very clear in our preferences from the beginning. We did searches and talked to a lot of women. And out of probably twenty five women that we had some kind of contact with, only four were acceptable to both of us, and one of those is still up in the air.

I have found that to some extent, that this lifestyle is exciting and titillating to many people (translated here to mean women, because that is my frame of reference). Yet many want to cyber, have an on-line thing or whatever. The ones we have encountered don't want to make that move beyond the computer to real life or are too scared to.

When it comes to meeting face to face, and let me just say that all of our meetings take place on public places, resturants, coffee shops and the like, so there is never any danger for the one meeting us. This is not necessarily something that they demand, but something that Himself and I insist on. We want whoever we are meeting to feel a degree of safety.

We have made dates to meet people and have been stood up more than you can imagine. Some of the ones who stood us up had a great deal of experience in real life and were active in the BDSM community here.

I don't know if we are too picky... but we do know what we want. It is hard though when you have someone telling you, yes, yes this is really what I want... when they really mean, I think I might like to try this sometime in the future.
 
lovetoread said:


When you talk like this,I could dig ya.

The section about them repeating every word is a peeve of mine. It happens. My child did it to me yesterday. He is 9. It must be genetic.


LOL... ya gotta love kids. :)

PBW
 
I have a theory that all people can listen intently...it's called "being interested" in you.

The person that seems interested, probably is.

The person that doesn't seem interested, probably isn't.

Interesting, eh?
;-)
L


Rubyfruit said:


Interesting. Know where I can find a man who really listens?

Thanks for replying, Lance.
 
Hi Des;

I didn't think you were male-bashing....I was just commenting that if I started a thread about the female equivalent, I'd likely get bashed as a woman-hater, toute suite.

So, I was actually having a little whine, Des. It wasn't about you....it was all about me. Me, me, me, me,me. Men...we're such selfish lying bastards.....

:)
L

Desdemona said:
Lance, this thread was never intended to be a place for male bashing. You are correct, there are psychobitches, sluts and lying tramps all over the place. I regret that you got the impression that I meant anything other than just a discussion of bullshit artists in general and how to recognize them. I have both male and female friends who have been burned both online and in real life.
 
Ruby.....they're out there. So of us listen quite well.

Des, great thread. Predators are all about power and nothing else. They take. There is not an exchange of power, nor do they give a shit. This is true of any predator scum bags here or the real assholes that prey on kids.
I have just started to hang and listen, maybe lurk a bit. Still trying to figure out which side of D/s is right for me.
 
chicagoguy said:
Ruby.....they're out there. So of us listen quite well.

Des, great thread. Predators are all about power and nothing else. They take. There is not an exchange of power, nor do they give a shit. This is true of any predator scum bags here or the real assholes that prey on kids.
I have just started to hang and listen, maybe lurk a bit. Still trying to figure out which side of D/s is right for me.

Hey Chicago guy, welcome. I was born and raised in Chicago.

Ebony
 
Lancecastor said:
Hi Des;

I didn't think you were male-bashing....I was just commenting that if I started a thread about the female equivalent, I'd likely get bashed as a woman-hater, toute suite.

So, I was actually having a little whine, Des. It wasn't about you....it was all about me. Me, me, me, me,me. Men...we're such selfish lying bastards.....

:)
L


Hi Lance,
We're good here, pal. Personally, I like to think of myself as a psychotic cyber bitch. I think that will be my next persona. Now stop whining, it turns me on and I just don't need the extra stimulation right now. ;)
Des
 
Hello chicagoguy. Your sig is from one of my favorite Buffet songs.

As for sorting out the predators, players and bullshit artists I use my gut instinct. I've always been a fairly good judge of character and sometimes nothing specific they've said or done just raises a red flag. And I'm usually right. I know that's not helpful, but it's worked for me so far in the vanilla world. Don't know why it wouldn't in the BDSM world too.

I usually ask what turns them on about D/s and what their experiences have felt like. There's only so much you can know from reading websites and personal experiences (or lack thereof) will often become evident as they start talking about them. Another question I like to ask is "What was your worst experience you had with a sub and how did you handle it". The answer I'm ideally looking for is that they've never had a bad experience because they've done their homework beforehand on what the sub likes and doesn't like, there's a level of trust they've established, an open line of communication and they're sensitive enough to pick up on clues during a scene to ensure that fun is being had by all. I also deliberately don't bring up any kind of safe calls or rules about meeting in public just to see if he mentions it first. Somehow, there's just something a little more trustworthy about someone who's concerned about my safety.
 
I would be careful, though, about anyone who says they have never made a mistake. Mistakes are part of learning and we all make them.

Of course, you don't want to hear that they made a serious mistake and injured someone beyond bruising, red marks, or hurt feelings. I would ask how they handled their mistake.
 
Ebonyfire, thanks if your not there now the city really has become world class in the last ten years.

Red, thanks the sig is from a song of Buffett's that I listened to over and over again after my business partner died saving his son's life.

As for the predator thing the common thread seems to be listen, question and then believe your gut reaction.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your partner, chicagoguy.

I just knew someone would have something to say about that line of questioning. Of course, I would prefer to have someone admit to accidentally injuring a sub rather than lying about it, but even more than that, I'd like to hear that nothing ever went wrong. However, I was thinking more along the lines of a sub that suddenly decided they didn't want to be there or obey orders... emotional stuff as opposed to physical.
 
Red, I agree. We live in a world where no hardly means no anymore and dumbasses that can't take no for an answer try to use lame explanations for there actions. As I have said I am very new to this, but wouldn't listening to the safe word prevent the emotional damage you were thinking of.
 
chicagoguy said:

As for the predator thing the common thread seems to be listen, question and then believe your gut reaction.

I agree. I think the other common theme is to take your time and not rush into anything.
 
Desdemona said:


I agree. I think the other common theme is to take your time and not rush into anything.

Yep wiser words were never spoken. If I knew then,what I know now....

Which reminds me,I have to go do something that I have been putting off. ;)

Morning Des.
 
Des~

Thank you for this thread I read it to get away from the Flames of Lance and Rick. Needed something worth while and I must say this was deffinantly worth it. I only hoped I had read it sooner then maybe I might not be so reluctant to step back into D/s. But well slowly we walk onto a new day. :) Thanks again sweetie.
 
Thank you all

I needed this information too and I am taking notes from what everyone has said. We all just need to take things slow and be cautious. There are good people out there, we just have to take our time and not get carried away by desire.

Red, SM, chicagoguy, I am so glad to see those of you who are somewhat new to this forum posting and sharing your thoughts and experiences.

My suggestion. If you are tired of the flames, please just ignore them and post to the threads that interest you. The flames will eventually go out.

LTR:rose:
 
Re: Thank you all

Desdemona said:

Red, SM, chicagoguy, I am so glad to see those of you who are somewhat new to this forum posting and sharing your thoughts and experiences.

My suggestion. If you are tired of the flames, please just ignore them and post to the threads that interest you. The flames will eventually go out.

Nice to feel welcomed Des. I'll share more thoughts and experiences once I feel a bit more comfortable in the aspects. As for the flames well I would just like to see them in one thread and not nine...
 
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silken_mystery said:


Nice to feel welcomed Des. I'll share more thoughts and experiences once I feel a bit more comfortable in the aspects. As for the flames well I would just like to see them in one thread and not nine...

That would be a plus.
 
chicagoguy said:
but wouldn't listening to the safe word prevent the emotional damage you were thinking of.


Sometimes subs are in no condition to say their safewords. Also, they may have bitten off more than they can chew. they may keep quiet so as ot to disappoint the Dom/me.

That is why it is so important to know who you are playing with. A dom/me has to always have the sub's health and wellbeing in mind.

If you know your sub, you can tell by their reactions if you are going too far. They may let you go as far as you want, but should you just because you can?

Sometimes being a good Dom/me involves refusing to do what your sub asks, even when they beg for it.

Eb
 
Ebonyfire you would hope that people always had a person's health and wellbeing in mind. Sometimes there is a big difference between listening and hearing. I pride myself as a good listener but, I have made the mistake of not hearing a friend in the last few days and it has cost me someone that I love very very deeply.
 
chicagoguy said:
Ebonyfire you would hope that people always had a person's health and wellbeing in mind. Sometimes there is a big difference between listening and hearing. I pride myself as a good listener but, I have made the mistake of not hearing a friend in the last few days and it has cost me someone that I love very very deeply.

I am sorry to hear about that. We are only human, it seems and we often fall short. I hope that your pain is eased, I say eased cause I know it never goes away. We just learn to live with it.

Eb
 
Ebonyfire, sometimes people just stop taking the chance. I know I did.
This thing was totally my fault for not hearing what was important to my friend.
 
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