Rope or fluffy cuffs?

[BiBunny]

I'm a fan of the double-locking police handcuffs for certain activities. I have a harder time with limbs falling asleep and pinched nerves with damned rope than handcuffs, weirdly enough.

 

[Shagly]

Use what you want. I'm going to point out though that metal cuffs are a bad idea. They can cause severe bruising, nerve damage and broken bones. Rope, leather, and neoprene are much better ideas.

She has this thing about being hog tied with rope, kinda kinky but what to hell, this World is kinky.

 

[Sayyid]

Use what you want. I'm going to point out though that metal cuffs are a bad idea. They can cause severe bruising, nerve damage and broken bones. Rope, leather, and neoprene are much better ideas.

You think so? Depending on how vigorous the activities are, I don't think this could happen with a skilled and attentive partner.

She has this thing about being hog tied with rope, kinda kinky but what to hell, this World is kinky.

Maybe it's not that kinky. For the average vanilla person, sure but that's a pretty standard practice for BDSM. There is more intricate ropework out there which I can't dream of pulling off myself (see predicament bondage).

 

[Shagly]

You think so? Depending on how vigorous the activities are, I don't think this could happen with a skilled and attentive partner.
Maybe it's not that kinky. For the average vanilla person, sure but that's a pretty standard practice for BDSM. There is more intricate ropework out there which I can't dream of pulling off myself (see predicament bondage).

Try it you'll like it, so I tried it and I like it, so does the slave.

 

[Puman]

Rope... It's the only reason I do yoga....

 

[ms_sub_liminal]

definitely rope. you can't get that tantalizing straining feel with metal cuffs, even the fluffy ones.

 

[Homburg]

You think so? Depending on how vigorous the activities are, I don't think this could happen with a skilled and attentive partner.

Police officers use cuffs on a daily basis, and take courses and train regularly to be as safe as possible with them. They still cause thousands of injuries in this country with them each year. Is it because the officers are inattentive or unskilled? No, it is because the devices themselves are dangerous. They are also very fast, convenient, and relatively secure, thus police departments continue to use them.

The average BDSM player is totally untrained in using cuffs, has no idea of the hazards, and no clue how to operate them save how to unlock them. They are also commonly unaware of the anatomy of the wrist, and what could be damaged by improper, or even PROPER, cuff use.

 

[OldGuy1026]

ROFL proper cuff use!?!

Okay like I was in the Military Police back in the 70's when torture was still a good method of interrigation, but police cuffs? .....

Okay I guess you do have a point, a broken wrist is not laughing matter, but common sense rules you should be careful. So the fuzzy covering just may be a good idea for the novice. Leather cuffs on the other hand, still better.

 

[Sayyid]

Police officers use cuffs on a daily basis, and take courses and train regularly to be as safe as possible with them. They still cause thousands of injuries in this country with them each year. Is it because the officers are inattentive or unskilled? No, it is because the devices themselves are dangerous. They are also very fast, convenient, and relatively secure, thus police departments continue to use them.

The average BDSM player is totally untrained in using cuffs, has no idea of the hazards, and no clue how to operate them save how to unlock them. They are also commonly unaware of the anatomy of the wrist, and what could be damaged by improper, or even PROPER, cuff use.

Police officers also get far more aggressive with their charges than BDSM practitioners, forcibly apprehending and subduing suspects. If you are merely using them to hold your partner's wrists/ankles in a secure position, I don't see the risk.

 

[subish2009]

I think there's a time and a place for all of these... Metal cuffs are good for how quickly they can be applied. I would never fight metal cuffs. There's a definite psychological component there that is unique to them.

Suede/leather/nylon wrist/ankle restraints are definitely the most comfortable for me.

And Dave's right, rope is best for the long, drawn-out preparation and resultant anticipation.

If I had to pick one, I'd go with the metal cuffs.

 

[VelvetDarkness]

ROFL proper cuff use!?!

Okay like I was in the Military Police back in the 70's when torture was still a good method of interrigation, but police cuffs? .....

Okay I guess you do have a point, a broken wrist is not laughing matter, but common sense rules you should be careful. So the fuzzy covering just may be a good idea for the novice. Leather cuffs on the other hand, still better.

Homburg has a point. The anatomy of the wrist is more delicate than most people think and it doesn't take much pressure or pull against metal cuffs at all to cause injury or even permanent harm. One over-enthusiastic tug or movement. Wrists are tricky things to treat and heal as well and to have impaired use of the hand(s), even temporarily, is incredibly debilitating. Best not to damage them in the first place.

 

[Shagly]

*Practices new rope tricks*.

 

[Homburg]

ROFL proper cuff use!?!

Okay like I was in the Military Police back in the 70's when torture was still a good method of interrigation, but police cuffs? .....

Okay I guess you do have a point, a broken wrist is not laughing matter, but common sense rules you should be careful. So the fuzzy covering just may be a good idea for the novice. Leather cuffs on the other hand, still better.

Oddly enough, I was trained to use cuffs by a former MP, and he was in from the 60's to the 80's. Great guy. Part of what made the training so useful was that he was such an encyclopedia of "DO NO DO THIS" with his stories of the way things used to be done.

And, yeah, leather cuffs are better for many reasons. As much of a rope guy as I am, I have no problems at all suggesting leather cuffs to complete newbs.

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Police officers also get far more aggressive with their charges than BDSM practitioners, forcibly apprehending and subduing suspects. If you are merely using them to hold your partner's wrists/ankles in a secure position, I don't see the risk.

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Ever heard of Resistance Play? Honestly, I've been more rough in some resistance play than I have with people I was actively in a confrontation with. Sure, the resistance is real when it is a cop and a perp, but people get real damned rough with resistance play too.

And your comment about not seeing the risk proves my point more aptly than anything I've said. The fact that you don't see the risk shows that you are ignorant of the dangers. And, honestly, I do not mean that in an insulting manner. Ignorance is treatable, stupidity is terminal. You can do a little research and find out why handcuffs are dangerous, and how there is honestly no way to completely mediate that danger unless the person in the cuffs does not move against them at all. So, sure, maybe using them when photographing someone. But, well, maybe your partners don't move during play or sex, but mine do.

And none of this is to say that you should not use cuffs in BDSM play. Just learn why people like me say they're dangerous before you blithely use them. You saw what VelvetDarkness wrote, right? Sure, I'm just some schmuck who was trained to use cuffs for work. She's a nurse, and knows a wee bit about anatomy. Still, it might be smart to take what was said here and apply some Google to it. You might get the info and decide I'm some Nervous Nellie. And you might get the info and find out that, yeah, cuffs can be damned dangerous, whether they're used correctly or incorrectly.

 

[Sayyid]

Ever heard of Resistance Play? Honestly, I've been more rough in some resistance play than I have with people I was actively in a confrontation with. Sure, the resistance is real when it is a cop and a perp, but people get real damned rough with resistance play too.

And your comment about not seeing the risk proves my point more aptly than anything I've said. The fact that you don't see the risk shows that you are ignorant of the dangers. And, honestly, I do not mean that in an insulting manner. Ignorance is treatable, stupidity is terminal. You can do a little research and find out why handcuffs are dangerous, and how there is honestly no way to completely mediate that danger unless the person in the cuffs does not move against them at all. So, sure, maybe using them when photographing someone. But, well, maybe your partners don't move during play or sex, but mine do.

And none of this is to say that you should not use cuffs in BDSM play. Just learn why people like me say they're dangerous before you blithely use them. You saw what VelvetDarkness wrote, right? Sure, I'm just some schmuck who was trained to use cuffs for work. She's a nurse, and knows a wee bit about anatomy. Still, it might be smart to take what was said here and apply some Google to it. You might get the info and decide I'm some Nervous Nellie. And you might get the info and find out that, yeah, cuffs can be damned dangerous, whether they're used correctly or incorrectly.

How curious that you claimed you did not mean to have an insulting manner, yet everything you wrote after that was said in an utterly condescending tone.

But I thank you for enlightening me as to the dangers of metal handcuffs and I will be certain to be more careful in the future, especially when my partners move during sex (and I assure you, they do).

 

[the captians wench]

Use what you want. I'm going to point out though that metal cuffs are a bad idea. They can cause severe bruising, nerve damage and broken bones. Rope, leather, and neoprene are much better ideas.

This was exactly my point. Good to know I have a nurse backing me up.

ROFL proper cuff use!?!

Okay like I was in the Military Police back in the 70's when torture was still a good method of interrigation, but police cuffs? .....

Okay I guess you do have a point, a broken wrist is not laughing matter, but common sense rules you should be careful. So the fuzzy covering just may be a good idea for the novice. Leather cuffs on the other hand, still better.

Fuzzy covering really does not help much if at all. The real problem with metal cuffs is that they do not yeild at all. Once you are in them, their form stays. Rope and leather both will move with your wrists, even if in the most minute ways, they do yield. The only thing the thin fuzz might help with is chaifing.

Police officers also get far more aggressive with their charges than BDSM practitioners, forcibly apprehending and subduing suspects. If you are merely using them to hold your partner's wrists/ankles in a secure position, I don't see the risk.

*giggles* We must not play in the same circles. I struggle to stay still even when I'm told not to move, and I'm not a fighter. When you get into things like rape play and so on, then you get a partner fighting against restraints that don't yeild. Just a little too much pressure and you're off to the ER to explain how you broke your wrist being fucked, And if your partner is anythng lke me then they may kind of go numb to the pain once it gets to a point, or once the pleasure overtakes. So they may not know right away that anything s wrong.

 

[nh23]

Police officers also get far more aggressive with their charges than BDSM practitioners, forcibly apprehending and subduing suspects. If you are merely using them to hold your partner's wrists/ankles in a secure position, I don't see the risk.

R.A.C.K. Otherwise use whatever makes you happy. I'm not saying not to do it. I do all kinds of shit that people say not to do. Breathplay, cutting, burning. However I make myself aware of safety precautions. That's all I was pointing out.

And in my house it's forcible 9 out of 10 times. So we don't use metal cuffs.

 

[Sayyid]

*giggles* We must not play in the same circles. I struggle to stay still even when I'm told not to move, and I'm not a fighter. When you get into things like rape play and so on, then you get a partner fighting against restraints that don't yeild. Just a little too much pressure and you're off to the ER to explain how you broke your wrist being fucked.

R.A.C.K. Otherwise use whatever makes you happy. I'm not saying not to do it. I do all kinds of shit that people say not to do. Breathplay, cutting, burning. However I make myself aware of safety precautions. That's all I was pointing out.

And in my house it's forcible 9 out of 10 times. So we don't use metal cuffs.

I trust you use discretion about when and how to do these things, and I hope people will feel the same about me.

I like metal cuffs. I like the look and the effectiveness. They are the perfect restraint in some situations; in others they are not.

 

[the captians wench]

I trust you use discretion about when and how to do these things, and I hope people will feel the same about me.

I like metal cuffs. I like the look and the effectiveness. They are the perfect restraint in some situations; in others they are not.

By all means if you like them, rock on. What we are trying to do is more for others who might venture into this thread.

If we don't bring up the risks then some one might run off thinking it's all happy fun and not know that if you cuff too tight you increase the risks.

 

[Sayyid]

Alright. I'm glad I know more about the risks myself. I hadn't really thought of it before.

 

[DiscusDave]

What if you're old fashioned like me..... really old fashioned.

 

[Abraxas Winterlight]

or if your a nerd like me

& yes, you can really damage someone with cuffs. Especially a cheap set that don't double-lock (or if you forget to double lock them)

or if you slap them on

(I know how to use cuffs. Military Police for 10 years. I prefer leather, but if I ever convince myself to buy those cuffs, they go straight into the toybox!!!)

 

[nh23]

Hey! I want green lantern cuffs!

 

[sadangel]

My personal preference is Leather cuffs/restraints. I wouldn't mind having rope used sometimes. I am slightly hesitant, but with the right person and knowing that he would take precautions I would be more than willing to try it. *As in my Sir* I won't ever allow anyone to use metal cuffs on me. Just can't do it.

 

[Homburg]

I'm a fan of the double-locking police handcuffs for certain activities. I have a harder time with limbs falling asleep and pinched nerves with damned rope than handcuffs, weirdly enough.

This is one of those cases where the ever-useful phrase "Know thy bottom," comes to mind. What works for you, works for you.

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How curious that you claimed you did not mean to have an insulting manner, yet everything you wrote after that was said in an utterly condescending tone.

Well, I couldn't really figure out how to not sound condescending, so I made certain to include the "don't be offended" part. I'm not sure how the last paragraph could be read as condescending, but I guess if your fur is up, virtually anything will sound condescending. Hell, this may sound condescending. *shrug*

I personally do not get insulted by someone showing me my own ignorance unless they're really dickheaded about it. If I'd called you stupid, or rammed three dozen links down your throat, or preached or something, yeah, I could see it. As it was, I was a bit snotty. Eh, I've done worse.

But I thank you for enlightening me as to the dangers of metal handcuffs and I will be certain to be more careful in the future, especially when my partners move during sex (and I assure you, they do).

It shouldn't be too tough to find the resources on bad cuff use versus good cuff use. The topic is a HUGE hot button for many departments, as they're the ones getting sued time and again for cuff-related injuries. As a result, many departments and most manufacturers are trying to get the word out. I don't know how available it is on the net, but it's out there somewhere.

And you are quite welcome. You seem like you've got some class, Sayyid. Good on ya.

 

[Sayyid]

Well, I couldn't really figure out how to not sound condescending, so I made certain to include the "don't be offended" part. I'm not sure how the last paragraph could be read as condescending, but I guess if your fur is up, virtually anything will sound condescending. Hell, this may sound condescending. *shrug*

I personally do not get insulted by someone showing me my own ignorance unless they're really dickheaded about it. If I'd called you stupid, or rammed three dozen links down your throat, or preached or something, yeah, I could see it. As it was, I was a bit snotty. Eh, I've done worse.


It shouldn't be too tough to find the resources on bad cuff use versus good cuff use. The topic is a HUGE hot button for many departments, as they're the ones getting sued time and again for cuff-related injuries. As a result, many departments and most manufacturers are trying to get the word out. I don't know how available it is on the net, but it's out there somewhere.

And you are quite welcome. You seem like you've got some class, Sayyid. Good on ya.

You're right and I thank you.

But I would hesitate before calling me ignorant. Ignorant about handcuffs, maybe but hopefully not ignorant in general.

And I did look up information on cuffs earlier.