'Selling' slaves... WTF?

[Stella_Omega]

The clothes are a result of the lifestyle, hippies don't have the luxury of choosing their outfit.

Of course we did! Back in the day, absolutely NO middle class shopped at thrift stores by choice, and the pickings were astonishing.

When I think of the Victorian and Edwardian silks we wore and ruined... The Costumer's guild would plotz.

I'm thinking that you have the term "hippie" mixed up with the term "skid row" or something like that. Although some of us were poor, to be a hippie was an ideological choice, albeit a rather foolish one.

 

[Keroin]

Hippies are everywhere. They've just changed clothes since the 70's

(they're insidious that way).

They all live in Nelson, BC, now. Well, the ones who haven't changed clothes.

(They vacation on Hornby Island, BC, though)

 

[midwestyankee]

Of course we did! Back in the day, absolutely NO middle class shopped at thrift stores by choice, and the pickings were astonishing.

When I think of the Victorian and Edwardian silks we wore and ruined... The Costumer's guild would plotz.

I'm thinking that you have the term "hippie" mixed up with the term "skid row" or something like that. Although some of us were poor, to be a hippie was an ideological choice, albeit a rather foolish one.

This.

In fact, dress was very much a matter of choice and style. It was de rigeur to develop and maintain an individual style.

 

[intothewoods]

People really use the term "hippie" loosely and/or to mean different things. For some people, anyone who was at all unconventional in the 60s is labeled a hippie. I think of it as a certain way of life, although there are different permutations. "Rich hippies" are not the same as, say, a hippie from the 60s who lived on a commune, although I guess some of those folks came from money too. I don't know, I admit a certain bias towards rich folks in designer "bo ho chic" duds.

 

[YourCaptor]

Of course we did! Back in the day, absolutely NO middle class shopped at thrift stores by choice, and the pickings were astonishing.

When I think of the Victorian and Edwardian silks we wore and ruined... The Costumer's guild would plotz.

I'm thinking that you have the term "hippie" mixed up with the term "skid row" or something like that. Although some of us were poor, to be a hippie was an ideological choice, albeit a rather foolish one.

Well, the hippies I’m familiar with do not have a fashion style. They seem to scavenge a shirt to wear for the next 6 months and dye it. Whatever they wear they do so because someone gave or traded it to them. Skid row is fairly close, you can smell em from 15 feet away, and it’s not the pot. But they are different from the normal homeless because they seem to live in communes, sharing rather than hording, playing music and what not. Oh and they decorate each other with flowers.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well, the hippies I’m familiar with do not have a fashion style. They seem to scavenge a shirt to wear for the next 6 months and dye it. Whatever they wear they do so because someone gave or traded it to them. Skid row is fairly close, you can smell em from 15 feet away, and it’s not the pot. But they are different from the normal homeless because they seem to live in communes, sharing rather than hording, playing music and what not. Oh and they decorate each other with flowers.

Oh! You're thinking of flower children. That's a subset of hippiedom.

 

[00Syd]

Well, the hippies I’m familiar with do not have a fashion style. They seem to scavenge a shirt to wear for the next 6 months and dye it. Whatever they wear they do so because someone gave or traded it to them. Skid row is fairly close, you can smell em from 15 feet away, and it’s not the pot. But they are different from the normal homeless because they seem to live in communes, sharing rather than hording, playing music and what not. Oh and they decorate each other with flowers.

I think you're thinking of what I call "crusties." You know, traveling gutter-punk-hippie-types, who always seem to have a dog or two, travel in packs, etc.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Unless you were in a Colleen Stan type of situation, you could leave. You can always leave. Being "unable" to leave is another part of the fantasy world.

And don't get me wrong, people. I find consensual slavery, "selling" slaves, etc. just as hot as the rest of you. My god, I used to live it myself. But it's all a mindfuck. ALL of it. Some aspects more mindfuckery than others. But the whole thing is an elaborate dance that is REALLY REALLY HOT and can even be valuable/beneficial to both partners. But still a dance.

I totally don't agree. While it is something which you felt you lived, but have chosen to do so no more, does not mean that anyone who lives it now is living a fantasy. Your choices were just that, yours, and do not necessarily reflect anothers reality.

The part of your statement I object to most strongly though is the part where you assert that a person is free to leave if a situation turns bad. Having worked with many in DV, it is unfortunately a sad fact that many cannot leave, and some who do end up very dead. Denying some are confined to their situation whether they like it or not, and that even if someone is sold does not mean they were owned or a slave in reality, because the law does not support it, now that is fantasy and an insult to those who live or have lived that reality. Pretty words used to legally define do not unfortunately change anything as we see almost daily of late in the news when yet another incidence of modern slavery is discovered in our liberated democratic Western society.

Catalina

 

[x_wired_x]

Was reading back through this thread a bit, and I just remembered an interesting tidbit regarding the legality of slavery;

Lincoln only abolished slavery in the southern states. There were two (i think) states where slavery was legal that sided with the north, in which the emancipation proclamation did not apply. (I think Kentucky was one of them).

I don't think this legal loophole was common knowledge though, and in any case the practice was certainly phased out, but slavery was not actually made illegal in those states until the 90's I think (I hazily recall hearing about it while I was in high school). There was a month or so when this came to light, but the legislation to fix it was not yet pushed through, where people in those states sold themselves into slavery for a laugh, knowing it would be abolished in a week or two.

I wonder if there was a spike in human trafficking there at the time.

I think more people's problem with it is when 'free' women choose to subject them selves to this when there are women who are sold like fucking snicker bars.

I know of a few relationships even 'households' that have 'slaves' who do nothing more then clean house and lick feet, getting nothing in return. I don't see the appeal. But again it's their choice.

I don't quite understand how one could do it. It does kind of make light of women who have no choice in the matter and are legitimately sold as property.

There is that "oh I'm so hot people will pay to be with me" element. Maybe that's what they are after.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I think more people's problem with it is when 'free' women choose to subject them selves to this when there are women who are sold like fucking snicker bars.

I know of a few relationships even 'households' that have 'slaves' who do nothing more then clean house and lick feet, getting nothing in return. I don't see the appeal. But again it's their choice.

I don't quite understand how one could do it. It does kind of make light of women who have no choice in the matter and are legitimately sold as property.

There is that "oh I'm so hot people will pay to be with me" element. Maybe that's what they are after.

I don't see why you think those who enter into it voluntarily do so because they think it makes them hot...if that were their main motivation, I can guarantee you they would soon discover it wasn't what they were expecting and be doing whatever they could to escape. As to trivialising those who do not have a choice, using your basis for judgement, I could say the same of someone sunbaking on a beach trivialising all those who are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin...kind of weak arguments if you ask me, and once again, coming from the standpoint of someone who does not understand or relate to it and so sees it as negative and wrong simply because they do not have an interest in it...IOW, arrogant to think your way is the right way and anyone else must be warped and strange.

BTW, those who are involved in involuntary modern day slavery as slaves in Europe, Australia, US, Africa etc., are not only women...a large percentage of them are men and children. Imagination and assumption are not always a good source for researching facts.

Catalina

 

[x_wired_x]

I don't see why you think those who enter into it voluntarily do so because they think it makes them hot...if that were their main motivation, I can guarantee you they would soon discover it wasn't what they were expecting and be doing whatever they could to escape. As to trivialising those who do not have a choice, using your basis for judgement, I could say the same of someone sunbaking on a beach trivialising all those who are discriminated against because of the colour of their skin...kind of weak arguments if you ask me, and once again, coming from the standpoint of someone who does not understand or relate to it and so sees it as negative and wrong simply because they do not have an interest in it...IOW, arrogant to think your way is the right way and anyone else must be warped and strange.

BTW, those who are involved in involuntary modern day slavery as slaves in Europe, Australia, US, Africa etc., are not only women...a large percentage of them are men and children. Imagination and assumption are not always a good source for researching facts.

Catalina

I think you missed everything I said. I respect them and their choice, and said so. I personally don't understand it and quite frankly would be uber pissed if my owner sold me to someone. I am not naive enough to think that men and kids aren't involved in slavery but the OP was about a woman's situation or the hippie chick I forget.

I am last person to judge someone on what gets them off. I just couldn't do this, at least in a real way, i.e. he sells me for pirate coins to some guy cause he would rather have the coins then me. A play scene 'sale' yes I would say I would find it a turn on.

And for the record not once did I say my thought was the right way. I was just giving my input. And like I said I know people who live this, and I don't judge them, I just don't get the appeal, because it does nothing for me.

and a for you