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I'm always intrigued by unusual settings for ropework. This feels like a set up for predicament bondage... that radiator can't be comfortable to sit on. You can see how much tension is in her feet. It's not at all sophisticated knot work.
So... I offer it as an intriguing image. One that would test the subjects ability to withstand a very uncomfortable set up. And one that seems designed to create actual or perceived denial.

Any thoughts?
 
Britva415 said:
@cascadiabound @riverj
What are you guys meaning by saying "presentation oriented?"

What's the alternative?

What's the objection?

What's "real" shibari if the "presentation oriented" kind is not it?

I don't know, I'm asking. I don't know anything about this stuff. But what I'm getting from these comments is that "presentation oriented" seems to be not preferred, or somehow disfavored. So educate an ignorant noob
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I think it's all real. But some ropework images are made for the beauty of the image, as opposed to ropework which is intimate and designed for play and or bondage etc.

I do not object at all to images that have a presentation feel to them. In fact they are some of my favorite images because they heighten for me a sense of humiliation, control, objectification.

In the case of the image I posted recently that at first glance looked like a studio photo shoot (the lighting is perfect, her body is within ideal specifications etc), when I looked more closely I realized she was obscenely turned on. Which to me is hot af. And it tells me that she felt safe and she has an emotional connection to her rigger and/or her photographer. It makes me wonder how long she had been tied when that image was taken. It makes me want to see the 100 images before it and the 100 images after.
It makes me wonder what words were used, what other stimulation was applied to make her that dripping wet.

If you read judgment in my comments, it was not my intent.

I just try to get in touch with what my eyes are seeing in these images, what they provoke in me and how they make me feel. I can only speak for myself.
 
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Britva415 said:
@cascadiabound @riverj
What are you guys meaning by saying "presentation oriented?"

What's the alternative?

What's the objection?

What's "real" shibari if the "presentation oriented" kind is not it?

I don't know, I'm asking. I don't know anything about this stuff. But what I'm getting from these comments is that "presentation oriented" seems to be not preferred, or somehow disfavored. So educate an ignorant noob
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Hi,
Answering only for myself I interpret the term presentation as meaning for art work / photo shoot only. That is as opposed to work where the participants are obviously more engaged and focused on their activity. There is nothing at all wrong with presentation work in my mind.... it has generated much inspiration for myself and partners. I was only noting the differences.
RJ
 
cascadiabound said:
I think it's all real. But some ropework images are made for the beauty of the image, as opposed to ropework which is intimate and designed for play and or bandage etc.

I do not object at all to images that have a presentation feel to them. In fact they are some of my favorite images because they heighten for me a sense of humiliation, control, objectification.

In the case of the image I posted recently that at first glance looked like a studio photo shoot (the lighting is perfect, her body is within ideal specifications etc), when I looked more closely I realized she was obscenely turned on. Which to me is hot af. And it tells me that she felt safe and she has an emotional connection to her rigger and/or her photographer. It makes me wonder how long she had been tied when that image was taken. It makes me want to see the 100 images before it and the 100 images after.
It makes me wonder what words were used, what other stimulation was applied to make her that dripping wet.

If you read judgment in my comments, it was not my intent.

I just try to get in touch with with my eyes are seeing in these images, what they provoke in me and how they make me feel. I can only speak for myself.
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I think I get it. It seems like you're talking about the difference between doing it for the experience of the play, versus doing it mainly for the visual result.
 
Britva415 said:
@cascadiabound @riverj
What are you guys meaning by saying "presentation oriented?"

What's the alternative?

What's the objection?

What's "real" shibari if the "presentation oriented" kind is not it?

I don't know, I'm asking. I don't know anything about this stuff. But what I'm getting from these comments is that "presentation oriented" seems to be not preferred, or somehow disfavored. So educate an ignorant noob
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Presentation is all about making a visual impression. Clean, smooth, neat, regular patterns all at the same angles, etc. very precise and careful to meet some goal(s).

Functional is more about getting the person bound so they can only move as desired.

Best, imo, is a bit of both, like riverj’s image:
riverj said:
Nice rope work. I enjoy the wrap effect. This is more presentation but still good.....


https://64.media.tumblr.com/9ac7dd533ebeb6615d33e74aed435ef3/tumblr_ok3jun5dEe1vhgq9so1_500.jpg
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Smooth, regular loops all the same, but also used to restrict options. That long stretch between her elbows won’t compress much thanks to all the wrapping, for instance.

Note that there can be safety issues both ways. Too much rope may take too long to take off, and too many loops if not done right can slowly increase tension further than expected/desired. Too little rope puts too much pressure on too small an area and leads to bruising or worse if under load. Too few loops can also slip, changing body posture perhaps in dangerous ways.
 
UsuallyPresent said:
Presentation is all about making a visual impression. Clean, smooth, neat, regular patterns all at the same angles, etc. very precise and careful to meet some goal(s).

Functional is more about getting the person bound so they can only move as desired.

Best, imo, is a bit of both, like riverj’s image:

Smooth, regular loops all the same, but also used to restrict options. That long stretch between her elbows won’t compress much thanks to all the wrapping, for instance.

Note that there can be safety issues both ways. Too much rope may take too long to take off, and too many loops if not done right can slowly increase tension further than expected/desired. Too little rope puts too much pressure on too small an area and leads to bruising or worse if under load. Too few loops can also slip, changing body posture perhaps in dangerous ways.
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And... when trying this at home...safety first. Have a safe word. Make sure there is not too much pressure on any part- especially where blood supply might be compromised or nerves compressed. Check in with the person who is tied frequently. And have a good knife and or scissors to cut rope quickly. No rope is more important than the well being of the bound person.

See my OP for other safety considerations.
 
riverj said:
https://64.media.tumblr.com/6b17075d03c1b98a3396e70b2dedca25/tumblr_oah2f4SXox1v57n2lo1_500.jpg
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I'm quite fond of these relatively simple breast ties. I find them very effective to get me in that sub head space, that feeling of being owned, restrained and also lewdly displayed. Breast pressure/restraint is arousing for me - combined with any kind of nipple play and I'm quickly a hot mess.
Looks like her arms are above her head - all these feelings are increased if hands/arms are also bound or restrained in some way so she is completely at his mercy.
 
Really enjoy this type of shibari tie. Not too hard for a beginner to master, gives a lot of feels and rope against skin. Placement of a knot at the crotch definitely will keep her attention where you want it and at a low simmer for as many hours as you wish.

The loops here around the biceps makes this impractical to wear under clothes, but with a small variation this could be tied so she can wear clothes over the tie for the day, for an errand or shopping, or for a date out for the evening. Always a good time imo
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I keep meaning to find a good video on hojojutsu to share here, but they seem scarce as hen’s teeth. Hojojutsu, for those unaware, is the Japanese martial art of tying someone up. In a fight.

It was allegedly used along with other non traditional means to help disarm the samurai and as part of the equivalent of police procedural training. It’s at least semi functional, especially if the target isn’t aware of the techniques themselves.

It is also a part of the history behind shibari, from what I’ve read.
 
UsuallyPresent said:
I keep meaning to find a good video on hojojutsu to share here, but they seem scarce as hen’s teeth. Hojojutsu, for those unaware, is the Japanese martial art of tying someone up. In a fight.

It was allegedly used along with other non traditional means to help disarm the samurai and as part of the equivalent of police procedural training. It’s at least semi functional, especially if the target isn’t aware of the techniques themselves.

It is also a part of the history behind shibari, from what I’ve read.
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Wow I never knew that. Found some videos, impressive stuff
 
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