Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?

[WriterDom]

forgive me but I don't understand your math. I could pull up 2000 threads in talk with more reads, and 1000 in the cafe. But you insist on defending your tired dead sticky that has been posted to about 4 times this month, and twice by me.

 

[cellis]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?

Wow. Last time I checked free speech was alive and well here at Lit. So, what you're saying here Cellis, is that just because Catalina is a mod, she needs to censor her posting?

I think not.

I think YOU need to back up and think about what you just posted.

~anelize

How ironic freedom of speech for some but not for all?

I stand behind my statements.

 

[cellis]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?

Sorry you feel this way cellis....personally I don't avoid anyone's thread either before or since becoming moderator as I find that limits my life too much, and I am not into personally restricting myself in such ways as I find it limits my opportunities to grow as a person. I have found a weath of informatiion on Lit which has helped me grow and learn, and surprisingly for some maybe, often from people I did not feel I agreed with very often. It is also disturbing to find that despite your often friendly posts to my posts you have this personal issue with me, but so be it. Might I suggest before posting that no-one called for house cleaning you check the opening post....as I have placed below to save scrolling.

Posted by WriterDom : Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?
The fewer the stickys the better in my view. IMHO this one has run its course and it is time for some housecleaning.

In my opinion if you post a question with a poll, everyone has a right to say what they think. As I pointed out, if the issue is with the amount of sticky's and the need to houseclean, why begin here where there are less Sticky's than Talk and most other Lit forums, and why start with a thread which is BDSM in content, and perhaps more importantly for a site built on literature and writers, seems to have a place of significance?

Catalina

The tone of the original post was threatening and uncalled for. I think the MODs have a responsibility to the community at large and this sometimes means putting the good of the community before their own opinions or thoughts.

 

[MissTaken]

forgive me but I don't understand your math. I could pull up 2000 threads in talk with more reads, and 1000 in the cafe. But you insist on defending your tired dead sticky that has been posted to about 4 times this month, and twice by me.

I did a search. Clicked on number of views and "since the beginning."

I do stand corrected in terms of numbers. I must have clicked on "last five days", when I did the first search.

However, in so doing the second time, it still makes the top 40.

And I am defending nothing. I am just trying to make a decision based on something concrete.

Whatever. If you have any ideas for what to do with this tired sticky, I am open to suggestions. If you and other authors feel that it gets you reads and votes, that is great. It serves your purpose and the purpose of the site.

When you, WD started teh thread, what did you have in mind for options?

 

[TNRkitect2b]

Considering how old some of the threads you are dredging up, you are stacking the deck in your favor and tainting the examples being used.. .you should look at how old the thread is, and then divide that into the number of days to get a true popularity count... however i believe this thread is only serving to drive people to look in the sticky, as it's view count is now higher than at least two of the "example" threads you bumped...

The thread serves a purpose:

To provide a centralised place to plug a BDSM story written by someone on the forum. It serves a good purpose by consolidating new story announcements into one easy to find location. Get your panties out a wad and leave the issue be. YOur dredging up of examples only serves to demonstrate the mentality of a petulant brat who is not getting his way to other people on here.

I expected better of you.

 

[A Desert Rose]

As I said, Right or wrong, most people hold Moderators to a different and higher standard. Not that I do, but many do. Many people actually consider this a position of respect. And respect goes both ways.

I could not really care less what happens to this sticky and I think the bulk of the posters don't care. And I still think that morninggirl has a good idea.

What's it been? 2 years now since the last flame war in here? ~sigh~ Guess we are due for another. I see people lining up already. What a shame and all that is accomplished is more hard feelings and deeper ones than existed before.

 

[Krinaia]

Okay, some people I think just like to stir trouble because their lives or so boring or they are in such need of attention or they just need to do a little self promotion with a pissing contest.... and WD, you often strike me as one of those people...

why did you even start this thread when you yourself have plugged yourself on that thread? Hell, I've seen you plug your poetry ALL the time, trying to seduce women by it.

I think it's most likely that you're just angry that others are getting equal attention.

Get over yourself.

Whiny butt.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Should the shameless plug sticky be unstuck or replaced?

The tone of the original post was threatening and uncalled for. I think the MODs have a responsibility to the community at large and this sometimes means putting the good of the community before their own opinions or thoughts.

Oh PLEASE. As if the Mods can't have a thought of their own that isn't "for the good of the community". Whatever. Cellis, this just cracks me up. While I am in lurk mode most of the time these days, I don't see YOU spending a great deal of time around here rah-rah-ing the community. Why don't you consider becoming a mod? Perhaps you can show us how it's done properly? Hmmmm?

~anelize

 

[WriterDom]

why did you even start this thread when you yourself have plugged yourself on that thread? Hell, I've seen you plug your poetry ALL the time, trying to seduce women by it.

I

Yes, it is all about my poetry. Pretty cleaver of me. And yes I have suduced women with poetry. So keep is as a sticky and vote. I'm only after views so a one vote is cool. But I don't think I plug it ALL the time, do I?

 

[catalina_francisco]

As I said, Right or wrong, most people hold Moderators to a different and higher standard. Not that I do, but many do. Many people actually consider this a position of respect. And respect goes both ways.

I could not really care less what happens to this sticky and I think the bulk of the posters don't care. And I still think that morninggirl has a good idea.

What's it been? 2 years now since the last flame war in here? ~sigh~ Guess we are due for another. I see people lining up already. What a shame and all that is accomplished is more hard feelings and deeper ones than existed before.

And ADR, I don't think in presenting an honest opinion of the facts as I see them, and as I noted had nothing to do with my personal views, just common sense, is any less respectful to anyone than are those who are preoccupied with the exact wording used to present those facts, and removing something which is used by many and a relatively new feature of the board. I'm sorry if I like to be direct and not beat around any bushes and leave people wondering if I am trying to say A, B, or something else entirely, or if my language is not the same as the majority (perhaps that has something to do with my not being from the USA and speaking that same language like a native?), but to me presenting facts and analysing a situation logically and not emotively is not disrespectful....if I was in the habit of trying to sweet talk my views and futily attempt to win favour of everyone on the board, an impossibility for anyone anywhere IMO, then I would accept the assertion I was being disrespectful as I would be treating others with something less than honesty and openness..some might say, treating others as if they were stupid enough to fall for my 'best friend' act..I can't and won't do that.

My position as moderator has not changed my posting style, has not fooled me into believing I am now better to fudge what I am saying and be a people pleaser to gain popularity, nor that I am better than anyone else here, or apart from the community I joined in the first place. I am part of the community in every sense, I support anyone who needs or requests support regardless of whether they are my friend, stranger, or vocal foe, even will agree to disagree with my closest friends in a respectful way, as they too have done the same with me without any damage to the relationship, and I do what I can to contribute to the discussions, keep the board running smoothly and to attract new posters while also keeping the regulars here instead of leaving (unfortunately we have lost too many of value and experience, many with whom I am still in regular contact). On reaching a position of responsibility, it is the most common mistake people make in feeling it now makes them 'special' or 'better' and acting in a way which refects their inflated view, and a huge mistake others make in feeling such people are superhuman, above reproach, and owe it to the rest of us to live up to this fantasy image created by those who do not wish to assume the responsibility themselves..and so we end up with politicians you can't believe a word of what comes out of their mouths because it is all based on gaining favour and ego, not honesty and equality for all.

As to flame wars, I have no time for them, but often someone expressing their own opinion the same as others are afforded the right to do sees them being accused as flamers. I haven't attacked anyone despite some peoples views I have...being assertive enough to have an individual thought as opposed to following the crowd, is not attacking. BTW, though I have posted partly in response to your post ADR, it is not directed at you, just saying what I have to say on my position in response to some feeling they know what I am thinking, wanting, and doing when they are in fact judging me from their own reality, on their own interpretation of the words I used which were in no way aggressive, manipulative, threatening, or attacking, just presenting reasonable facts....interesting I have only been attacked on my particular wording style, not the truth of their content.

Catalina

 

[Limbhugger]

I am still trying to understand the entire point of this thread. Who frickin' cares if there is a sticky for BDSM stories at the top of the BDSM cafe? Other than WD of course who for some reason feels the need to invite polling on the subject.

Contrary to Miss Taken's earlier post, the thread of so much dismay was my idea not WD's. I thought at the time and still do belive it would be nice to have a collective resource for folks to turn to. And as I said before, a lot of lurkers use the thread. Goodness, we certainly wouldn't want to provide some sort of consolidated BDSM reference thread for those who may not post or who may fall outside a given clique. But hey delete it. It's so offensive sitting up there at the top of the page learing down at us with it's contemtpuous gaze and mocking laugh.

And since this thread has degenerated into what it has. And yes I did contribute to the degeneration as I find the entire premise beyond lame...

Cellis, I don't know what your gig is but it's amazing to me that you rush to defend a friend yet so quickly attack another. And on a personal level at that. I have never seen Catalina duck a thread or shirk a difficult topic. In fact I'd venture to say she's likely the most consistent poster (of real input) on the Talk side. I can't even imagine how you managed to work your brain into a position where you feel obliged to challenge her on this point.

Tone? Tone of a post? How in the hell can you perceive the writer's intended tone in written words? We can only apply our perceived tone to a writer's words.

Same old garbage. Boy it's nice when on those rare occassions we actually manage to help some new folks or explore some real ideas. The Forums used to mean the world to me and my dominant.

That said, Ms. Catalina, feel free to banish me, bust my balls, or whatever for flamming. This is silly. I hope whomever needs their daily dose of attention is getting it.

 

[catalina_francisco]

The Forums used to mean the world to me and my dominant.

Hope that has not changed...I tend to look at the majority of content as opposed to letting one or two disturbances stop my growth and sharing.

That said, Ms. Catalina, feel free to banish me, bust my balls, or whatever for flamming. This is silly. I hope whomever needs their daily dose of attention is getting it.

Now don't go topping from the bottom or I will have to speak to a certain lady about suitable punishment to bring you back in line. I haven't gotten to the banishing stage, though that could be coming..and certainly haven't reached the ball busting lesson in Topping 101...don't rush me brat boy!!

Catalina

 

[Limbhugger]

Now don't go topping from the bottom or I will have to speak to a certain lady about suitable punishment to bring you back in line. I haven't gotten to the banishing stage, though that could be coming..and certainly haven't reached the ball busting lesson in Topping 101...don't rush me brat boy!!

Catalina

Amazing the reality that can be found in playfullness. I feel better now. But I still think this thread is stupid.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Amazing the reality that can be found in playfullness. I feel better now. But I still think this thread is stupid.

Hehehe she called ya Brat Boy!

 

[Limbhugger]

Hehehe she called ya Brat Boy!

I know. Something ain't it? Me a brat...humph.

 

[crimsonlace]

Don't anyone post until I get back with the popcorn, ok?

 

[shy slave]

I hope you have the popcorn handy Crimson lol

Heck i go away for a few days and WW3 breaks out!!!

I am with ADR on Morninggirls idea of condensed version. Miss T it will probably only take you several months to condense it all

That said i used to look at the thread before I started posting, mainly to get a 'feel' for who was here and what they were interested in.

I haven't looked at the thread for sometime.

It does stop attempts to hijack other threads with peoples latest plug, which has happened.

Therefore to me it has a place.
1)to allow newbies to find out more in a non-threatening way (no i do not mean anyone is threatening on here, but how do you know that when your new to the forum?)

2) A place for people to plug stuff without cluttering up other threads and by lines.

There thats my 2 cents worth and i hardly mentioned flame wars

Ahh that calls for chocolate and popcorn

 

[WriterDom]

I am still trying to understand the entire point of this thread. Who frickin' cares if there is a sticky for BDSM stories at the top of the BDSM cafe? Other than WD of course who for some reason feels the need to invite polling on the subject.

I don't see any harm in having a debate about how things are done here.

You must care quite a bit since you have posted about it 3 or 4 times. I didn't know what the reaction would be. Obviously I am not the only person that wouldn't mind it unstuck.

It was good in the beginning, but in the last month is has been dormant. I can't say I ever got any feedback from someone out of that thread. I'd like to think that nonposters are using it to reference stories.

The people that feel it is so valuable need to be posting in it rather than this thread. Even if you don't write, you can pick out a story, read it, and invite some discussion.

 

[MissTaken]

The people that feel it is so valuable need to be posting in it rather than this thread. Even if you don't write, you can pick out a story, read it, and invite some discussion.

I think that this identifies the problem with how slow the thread in question has become. After re reading it, it appears to have ver little discussion of stories and many links.

Perhaps, it needs to be re entitled with a new opener encouraging discussion as well as links to stories?

I remember we have had a couple of threads of this nature who's life expectancy was fairly short although active. I was also thinking that if there was a way to consolidate some of those threads into the sticky, it would be helpful and might lead to their being more active. I could link them into the first post of teh sticky. any thoughts?

I, too, think morninggirl's idea would create a more user friendly resource. I am not sure how to proceed with creating a single post of links that is not too large of a project or protocol. Speaking for myself, if this were to happen and teh task were to become too large, I might not follow through in the interest of other commitments.


Sorry if I am talking in circles. This post is the cyber equivalent of "thinking out loud." And all ideas posted here are open game to be shot down by you fine people.

 

[MissTaken]

I did find and use the option for mergin threads. If that is an option you , the posters, want to utilize, let us know.

 

[WriterDom]

Thank you for your thoughts MT. It is a flawed sticky, in my opinion, and didn't start this to start shit as my troll tried to point out.

 

[pierced_boy]

I say keep it

I love sticky things, mangoes and girlgoes and all manner of sensual sticky stuff.

Maybe MissT could run a VB script when a new and meaningful BD or Ds or SM story is posted. Make the "sticky" flash or glow or drip goo or something nice like that.

Now what happend to my fruit knife


H

 

[catalina_francisco]

I don't see any harm in having a debate about how things are done here.

You must care quite a bit since you have posted about it 3 or 4 times. I didn't know what the reaction would be. Obviously I am not the only person that wouldn't mind it unstuck.

It was good in the beginning, but in the last month is has been dormant. I can't say I ever got any feedback from someone out of that thread. I'd like to think that nonposters are using it to reference stories.

The people that feel it is so valuable need to be posting in it rather than this thread. Even if you don't write, you can pick out a story, read it, and invite some discussion.

No disrespect meant WD, but though you may not be the only one who thinks the thread should be unstuck, at the moment the majority vote seems to be to leave it as is. But as you say, debating is not a problem and is what I think has been taking place. On checking to see if I could find what was concerning you, I have checked the posts as this is one thing you have mentioned as an issue. My half asleep counting came up with :

January 31 posts (2 were Miss T's intro and given it was a new thread, some initial popularity can be expected here.)
February 7 posts
March 21 posts
April 12 posts
May 5 posts
June 5 posts before this thread started
3 since it began

From this my conclusions come out as though there has been a quiet month in May, it is unrealistic to expect it to remain at an even rate given demands on people's lives and just the nature of things. If I am not mistaken, the board as a whole seemed fairly quiet in May but that is not reason to abolish it. Add to that the fact most sticky's are not intended for high posting rates, if posting is allowed at all, they are placed there in a prominent and permanent position for the utilisation of posters according to their given purpose. Many of the posts for this sticky are made by regulars to the board....we ourselves have made 10 posts plugging other writers and 4 of our own work, plus a couple of posts in answer to other ones.....you have made 3-4 posts I believe, Slaveskinky 5, FungiUg 5, James G5 3, Luna_Wolf72 has 3-4, Limbhugger 3, Kajira Callista 3-4, and it goes on..and then more postings and links made by posters from elsewhere, a couple of those being highly respected writers both on and off Literotica.

You do say it should not be decided on people's personal preference and as you have not contributed in the high figures, I don't think it should be decided to go because you don't perhaps utilise it much, anymore than it should stay because I as a high poster to the thread in the interests of promoting excellent writing do utilise it. The initial idea of the sticky was to have an place to find and post links to BDSM related writing on this site, not to discuss the merits of each one...that is why we have the Story Discussion, Poetry Discussion, and Author's Hangout Forums.

It is repeatedly emphasised we need to stay within guidelines of posting in a forum according to their relevant area so as to not end up with 10 forums, all mish mash in their content. Makes for easy access to those looking for a particular type discussion to remain on topic. There is now already existing 2 main methods of providing feedback to writers, those being the feedback option at the end of a story or poem, and the public comments option also provided by those who want it. We have a lot of regular feedback through the feedback option, and also have not done too bad on those stories we have opened up to public comment. Then there are also the Story Discussion and Poetry Discussion boards where you can submit your work for public dissection and discussion.

To now start merging the Shameless Plug thread with one discussing the merits and negatives etc. of stories and poetry is not only duplicating the purposes of 3 already existing boards on Literotica, but is also going to lose the original purpose of the thread which was to provide an 'easy to find' listing of good BDSM fiction reading as recommended by posters, and to provide a place where we all can advertise our latest pieces. Add critique and it will be too tiresome to wade through looking for where the writing itself is linked. I personally love to see where our regulars have completed another piece of writing and had it published here, as it seems do a few other people here. As the name Literotica suggests, this site was born from writing and writers, and the fact it has grown into more is an asset we all benefit from but does not have to now suppress the origins of that which provides a huge contribution to the body of it all.

Catalina

Edited to add: Despite your wanting public feedback WD (which you already can have through the provided channels), many writers do not appreciate their work being publicly dissected and discussed without their permission or request...a trip to the forums where writers discuss such things will show you many of their thoughts and feelings on this, as did the thread begun sometime back along the same idea and which created lots of heat from writers on Lit. I can foresee such discussions being the centre stage for those who seek to get their attention through putting down others, and do not personally think that is what we are wanting to do. Though some may give constructive feedback, is it our right to decide everyone wants that and should accept it. IMO chances are there would be fewer people willing to link their work on our board.

 

[WriterDom]

It is a dead thread being artificially propped up. I don't recall anyone saying they use and enjoy it from a reader's view. If you want to attract new people to the forum, I suggest an eye candy sticky. A thread with real life bdsm pics not posted on the pic thread. It would have more views in two weeks than the story thread has now. We already have the talent here that is giving it away. I'd be willing to share a few if my subs give permission.

 

[Limbhugger]

Very well said Miss C.

When I first envisioned this thread and subsequently discussed it with both catalina and Miss Taken, it was just meant to be a place to plug BDSM stories. Not discuss them.

It also has nothing to do with attracting new members. It is just a list BDSM themed stories for crying out loud.

WD there's a place for posting pictures, it's called the Am Pic Forum. Go there, start a thread titled "BDSM Pics", post your pics, then come back here, start another thread and link to it. I think that would be a good solution. I've honestly thought a good pic thread of this nature would be cool but it should be posted on the APF and linked from here. A lot of people visit the APF that don't visit the forum but that are into the lifestyle to one degree or another.

But, this is an entirely different topic than a listing of BDSM stories.