Slavespace

[catalina_francisco]

It has been my understanding that some subs experience "sub-drop" after having been in sub-space. I don't see any corollary to slavespace...Catalina? Anyone?

My experience is after slavespace I feel deeply moved emotionally, but in a good way, and at peace. It is good to feel I have been able to do as I always believed a slave was meant to, and as Master has expressed he expects. Is not an easy to maintain position at all times no matter how much there is a desire to please and provide service for the one I love, but I continue to try. Perhaps the seeming lack of sub drop is due to the focus being on the Dominant, not the submissive/slave being focused on themselves and their needs at such times.

Catalina

 

[Etoile]

Okay, I can definitely understand that.

So are we thinking that subspace is internally focused and slavespace is externally focused? If that's so, is subspace a time of selfishness and slavespace is not?

 

[catalina_francisco]

Okay, I can definitely understand that.

So are we thinking that subspace is internally focused and slavespace is externally focused? If that's so, is subspace a time of selfishness and slavespace is not?

I think the selfishness issue is more a self focused understanding for me, but also think it is reliant upon the relationship you are in and the understood parameters of that relationship. Some Dominants like to put their submissisive in subspace and have no problem with it. Mine does not as he feels it caters to the pleasure of the submissive while neglecting his needs and presence as more than a tool to give me that pleasure which is not where we are at. That is not difficult for me to live with though for some it may not suit. Is all subjective.

Catalina

 

[esclave_PP]

I wrote a poem just about this last month or so. I tried to capture what slavespace feels like with words. It is never easy for me to do because it is so emotional. I hope this can help describe what it feels like for me. Sorry if this looks like self promotion, it isn't but it is on topic. Thanks! In many ways I don't think either sub or slavespace is selfish. I know that Master is very pleased if he gets me to get to that level. It makes him feel like his power over me is real. Not only that but the focus is much sharper on him when I am in this state than not.

Sent (dedicated to her Master)
by mwbs_slave ©

He sends her
so deep
into herself
floating, ethereal
as if she is made
of nothing
becoming one with Him
as her body aches
for his touch
His words piercing her
like a sharp prick
of a needle
pressed
slowly
into her taut nipple,
the pain exquisite
the pleasure unfathomable.
She yearns to sink
deeper still
to that place of safety
that place beyond
recognizable senses
the altered state
where fantasy ends
and reality takes over.
He sends her deep
so she can let go
and see the truth
of who she really is
and where her place is
at His feet.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Thanks for the poem mwbs..it is beautiful. For me it still sounds closer to subspace for me though in that it is going within oneself and sensations related to the submissive body, while longing for the dominant's touch to satisfy physical and emotional needs. My experience of slavespace, and as yielding describes, is more a mental level where the submissive is fully able to function and not physically involved in a way which requires sexual or physical pleasure for themselves, moreso a desire to perform whatever task is required by the Dominant, non sexual or otherwise with no thought to their own pleasure or needs.

The difference seems to lie in focus...subspace focusing on the submissive, slavespace focusing on the Dominant only. During my most memorable experience I disclosed the acceptance of my submission fully. Though we had already arrived at a place where I had no limits but those he chose to give me, meaning he had momentarily held off some activities because he was aware of the impact they would have and difficulty for me.....now he does not have that concern as I have fully accepted anything and everything as acceptable and able to be expected by him as my focus is moved from what might be a problem for me to overcome, to one of what would please him for me to submit too.

It does not discount the difficulty, or the care he will take in asking these things of me and helping me through them, but does remove the main issue from being related to my issues to fulfilling his needs. In part that shift also helps deal with the issues previously held significantly high risk to a lower level of risk as long as I maintain the focus on him and his needs. While I remained wholly focused on how such requests would impact on me, I was unable to lay aside my own fears for his needs. Now I am freed to work on his needs totally and am doing my best to maintain that focus though it is not always easy. Does that make sense? I think the full weekend has addled my brain a bit in ability to express my thoughts coherently. LOL.

Catalina

 

[esclave_PP]

Thank you Catalina Yes that does make perfect sense and it is great to hear about what you experienced!...I totally can see where you are with that...yes the poem is more subspace now that you mention it...when we're together, it is as if it starts there in subspace and shifts more to focusing on him as it continues which I would believe if I understand correctly is slavespace where it is his needs his everything that is the focus. God its great isn't it? smiles, I don't think there is anything quite like that. Bachlum started another thread regarding meditation/yoga and sub/slave space would be interesting to correlate the two.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Bump....

 

[Netzach]

Well, I'm a bit leery of labelling the mix of endorphins and excitement and the dilated pupils of a good maso workout with "sub" anything. I've been to "subspace" as most people would label it, during a piercing or caning, and really it seems to be much more about a physical release of endorphin and feeling safe enough with the person facilitating that you are comfortable to enjoy your out of body experience.

Submitting? Sure, to physicality, to the sensations, I guess. To the idea that the person getting you there is competent enough to get you in and out ok and not break any bones.

From my submissives, I far prefer a trip to "slave space" as it's being described and it's usually when I feel most successful. I've had great big men snivel on my sleeve and tell me "I'd basically let you do anything you wanted to me" from a very lucid, yet emotional state and that is what I consider paydirt for my efforts, not that I don't like when they get high and stupid if I whip them, I find that amusing as all get out, but not especially close to the core of submission.

 

[ownedsubgal]

very interesting topic. i can say without a doubt that i have never come close to anything one could call subspace. this "slavespace" sounds like something closer to my experiences...except for the part about pleasureable emotions.

sometimes, serving is difficult. it may be because i'm going thru a severe bout with depression...where i'm sad, lost, hopeless..at times even suicidal. and then there are times where the service itself is difficult. it could be something i find hard to do mentally, such as something scat related. or something very physically and mentally trying, like a gang bang with all Dominants. in those times, as i begin to serve, there's almost an audible "click" in my mind, where i shift from being a feeling, fully thinking human being, into an emotionless object with one focus and one focus only...serving (and by serving, pleasing). it's nothing i'm aware of happening in the moment, and nothing i can control. but when i'm in that state my Master could string me from a tree and set fire to my body, and the only thought in my mind would be "i hope i am burning to his liking"....it's an extremely peaceful state, peaceful in that it is without the burdens of sadness or fear or uncertainty or selfishness. but it is not a state of happiness. could this be considered "slavespace" as well?

 

[Mr Blonde]

I found this thread very interesting.

My partners are submissive and not slaves, but at times they have described their sub-space in such a way that it matches the description of "slave-space" from this thread. So, on limited information, I would tend to agree with Shadowsdream that a submissive can dance back and forth between sub- and slave-space. I am not experienced with slaves so I wouldn't presume to know their feelings except from what I have read at this message board.

Again, very interesting thread with many articulate points.

 

[jjsharshaw]

Catalina asked for the dominants' opinion and while I appreciate the desire of my lover to be in slavespace. But my principal pleasure is derived from knowing that she is experiencing the most pleasure she possibly can; that she has given herself to total abandonment.

However, as another writer said later in the thread she thinks the sub moves between both and I think I would have to agree whole heartedly.

I think the desire to be in both places, on the part of the sub, and my desire for her to be in subspace having transcendant feelings is a mark of the equality of the relationship between two people in love.

Call me sentimental

Jubal

 

[catalina_francisco]

Bumped for someone who was searching for it....perhaps others have something to add to the discussion.

Catalina

 

[sunfox]

It has been my understanding that some subs experience "sub-drop" after having been in sub-space. I don't see any corollary to slavespace...Catalina? Anyone?

I would suppose that to be due to subspace being generally felt to be an endorphin rush.. which would result in a euphoria crash after the endorphins are exhausted.

If slavespace is not endorphin related, it would have no corresponding physical 'drop'.. though I would have to think there could be a mental 'drop' when you lose that strong focus?

I'm being purely academic here.. I don't frequently even get to anything recognizable as subspace.. being of scattered mind at the best of times... and quite honestly, my entire being is focused on the care of my daughter to the point that I doubt I could manage to focus only on C even for a short period of time with my entire mind and being.

 

[ownedsubgal]

very interesting topic. i can say without a doubt that i have never come close to anything one could call subspace. this "slavespace" sounds like something closer to my experiences...except for the part about pleasureable emotions.

sometimes, serving is difficult. it may be because i'm going thru a severe bout with depression...where i'm sad, lost, hopeless..at times even suicidal. and then there are times where the service itself is difficult. it could be something i find hard to do mentally, such as something scat related. or something very physically and mentally trying, like a gang bang with all Dominants. in those times, as i begin to serve, there's almost an audible "click" in my mind, where i shift from being a feeling, fully thinking human being, into an emotionless object with one focus and one focus only...serving (and by serving, pleasing). it's nothing i'm aware of happening in the moment, and nothing i can control. but when i'm in that state my Master could string me from a tree and set fire to my body, and the only thought in my mind would be "i hope i am burning to his liking"....it's an extremely peaceful state, peaceful in that it is without the burdens of sadness or fear or uncertainty or selfishness. but it is not a state of happiness. could this be considered "slavespace" as well?

had forgotten all about this one...

 

[shy slave]

Thank You Catalina
Great Articles.

 

[YinandYang]

This thread is really interesting, thanks for bumping it. Its kind of made me think of a profound moment I had with my SO and I think its how you describe slave space, I was surprised at the amount of emotion this episode brought out in me. We had had a minor disagreement, and i had previously said to him that I never wanted to see pain or anger in his eyes caused by me, as it would feel like a thousand knives in my back. Kind of like his pain is my pain kind of thing. After this disagreement he went for time out ( for an hour) leaving me alone to think about what I had done to hurt him. During that time I could feel his energy. It was so strong, and the longing in me to reach out to him was immense. He never treated me with contempt, nor did he manipulate the situation to make me feel bad. These emotions inside me were so strong, I didn't know where they came from. When he returned, he sat and looked into my eyes, he was warm and loving, and all I could say was 'am I still yours?'.....He said of course...and at that point my whole mind flipped into some sort of YinandYang world as i called it. I spent the next hour completely on another planet. We have had arguments before and never encountered this, I actually felt good after. Like it was some kind of redemption on my part. It was like a physical manifestation of my devotion at that time

 

[serijules]

I wrote an essay a few days ago on nonverbal communication as an aid to subspace, and touched on this topic a bit in there...I don't like to think of it as "slavespace" though because I think that's a bit too intimidating for those that don't understand nor have any interest in slavery, yet still feel more of that focus on their partner than on themselves. I know very few people who can relate to or understand or embrace anything that has to do with slave/slavery. I myself am only recently starting to embrace and understand the concept more. What I say below is pretty much the same though as what's been discussed...just different terms.

"Scene Subspace versus Submission Subspace

I think of subspace in two different ways...scene subspace and submission subspace. The subspace I get to when I play with OldTom or my Domme friend is much different from the subspace I reach when playing with my partner Dawnie. Since I am not concerned with showing OldTom my submission beyound respect and gratitude, I am able to allow myself to sink into that subspace that usually comes with playing with him. We are on equal levels...we both want each other to enjoy the scene, whether giving or receiving. It is more about sensation than it is about emotion. With Dawnie however, I am much more concerned about making sure that her pleasure comes before my own, and that my submission and attention to her needs is always showing. That submission is appropriate between us, so the subspace I get to with her comes from much much different triggers, and the nonverbal communication that forms between her and I is more expectant. I don't get to that floaty, blissful state when playing with Dawnie, but I do fall into a deep sense of submissive service which is a subspace all on its own and unmatched for me by any other. So the type of relationship you have with a person will affect the hows and whys of nonverbal communication and can be adjusted accordingly."

As for subdrop...I always feel some level of subdrop, be it from a scene with a play partner or leaving a long weekend with my owner. It's hard for me to re-adjust to "life without BDSM as an active ingredient", so there is a time of paranoia or depression or just general sadness that comes around when that shift is made. It's all emotional for me, not physical nor relating to endorphins. When I "come down" from an endorphin high, I just feel content and tired and fuzzy for awhile and then I'm back to normal. I think of subdrop as an emotional format of the physical readjustment that occurs.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Bump?

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Academics are almost always the perfect medium for explaination of any topic.
I just heard the term "subspace " for thr first time the other night. I was enthralled and being the ture hedonist I am I immediately researched the only way available to me right now...Google and reasonable facsimile.

I was once again amazed by the amount of information available on the net. I don't know why that still amazes me but it does. I digress here.

There were articles which refered to temperature drops, out of body experiences, etc. The fact that these phenomena, both physiological and cerebral occur speaks to neurotransmitters as mentioned here...endorphins.

There is nothing in life more pleasureable than a natural high...and coming down from that high has its drawbacks such as dysthymia even anxiety.

And which one of us wouldn't risk it? To be able to trancend to a place where there is only sensation? I for one without being able to speak from experience do hope with all that's left in Pandora's box that it is not only possible but obtainable with the right training.

I would suppose that to be due to subspace being generally felt to be an endorphin rush.. which would result in a euphoria crash after the endorphins are exhausted.

If slavespace is not endorphin related, it would have no corresponding physical 'drop'.. though I would have to think there could be a mental 'drop' when you lose that strong focus?

I'm being purely academic here.. I don't frequently even get to anything recognizable as subspace.. being of scattered mind at the best of times... and quite honestly, my entire being is focused on the care of my daughter to the point that I doubt I could manage to focus only on C even for a short period of time with my entire mind and being.

 

[the captians wench]

This is really interesting. I'd never heard of the term "slavespace" before, it's always been "subspace" and according to what's been said it would seem to me that I've never experienced subspace but insted slavespace. I seem to loose myself and the only thing I think about is pleasing my master. It never has been so much me focasing on my own pleasure, but more the pleasure he derives from what he's doing to me, or has me do. This is really interesting to me, and I'll have to read more. Thank you for bumping this.

 

[Caitlynne]

I missed this discussion the first, second and third time around. What an interesting article. Absolutley fascinating.

Thanks Cat....

 

[the captians wench]

bumps

 

[catalina_francisco]

bumps

Wow, the dust from this long buried one is making me sneeze!!

Catalina

 

[MasterPhoenix]

I used to read the site that Master Stern and yielding used to maintain a lot. It was one of my favourites for learning on the lifestyle back in the beginning, then it disappeared.

 

[the_pet]

I drift between the two.... one causes the other and vice versa and then they feed each other....