SMACK--a concept, a gathering. Welcome.

[rosco rathbone]

If I may take a page from Aury and the rapscallion. Another defilement is the stranger, even repellent one, doing this. IOW, if A and B and lovers, A sets it up that B is kissed by stranger(s) in whom B has no erotic interest, or even finds off-putting. B, then, is less than most prostitutes, even apart from being fucked and as has been mentioned, in the case of a woman, her pussy may be entirely ignored.

The mouth is the most intimate avenue inward, the most 'us.'

Onto something here.

The devaluation of mouth as avenue of intimacy.

For instance, i oblidge my slave to suffer passionate kisses at the hands of a gnome.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Defilement of the mouth just squicks me rather than turning me on, but I think it's maybe because I'm a bit orally fixated to begin with.

I don't like to experience pain or revulsion through my mouth but I can put up with nearly any amount of ineptitude from a lover if he's a good kisser. If he's a lousy kisser then I'd rather skip it entirely ---- my standards for kissing are more strict than for screwing. Weird, I know, but whatcha gonna do? It just is what it is.

That being said I imagine it would be fairly easy to really piss me off and frustrate me by making me experience things though my mouth that I didn't want to. I wouldn't like it or be turned on by it but that would be the entire point for certain purposes of the SMACKish individual, right? Of course, the most likely result is that I would puke and that's not very attractive at all. ;->

-B

Of course, your disgust makes the defilement all the sweeter; but as a good self-aware SMACKian; you already know that. Which makes it doubly all the sweeter. Inspiralling perversity, eh?

 

[Phoenix Stone]

Of course, your disgust makes the defilement all the sweeter; but as a good self-aware SMACKian; you already know that. Which makes it doubly all the sweeter. Inspiralling perversity, eh?

Might depend on whether or not it was projectile vomitus -- in which case wouldn't it be exspirally perversity?

 

[rosco rathbone]

Might depend on whether or not it was projectile vomitus -- in which case wouldn't it be exspirally perversity?

smoke a bone, phoneix stone


stalker.

 

[Phoenix Stone]

smoke a bone, phoneix stone


stalker.

skeeeeerd? (disguising self in shades)

 

[rosco rathbone]

skeeeeerd?

aint skeert

 

[Pure]

BB: Of course, the most likely result is that I would puke and that's not very attractive at all. ;->

Well, it's not an oscar competition for cinematography.

There are few greater** signs of one's power over another than to send their body into the convulsion of vomiting. It's a sign of the gravity of the incursion to the person.





**Non lethal

 

[rosco rathbone]

BB: Of course, the most likely result is that I would puke and that's not very attractive at all. ;->

Well, it's not an oscar competition for cinematography.

There are few greater** signs of one's power over another than to send their body into the convulsion of vomiting. It's a sign of the gravity of the incursion to the person.





**Non lethal

agreed

 

[rosco rathbone]

I've been party to some rough oral leading to gagging and copious drool...not pretty, but very hot.

 

[Netzach]

Hm.

Considering the motives behind most bulimic purges, considering the fact that I'd rather stick a finger down my throat when sufficiently nauseous than wait for the inevitable, I'd have to agree that there's something about vomit and control that's pretty capitvating.

The idea of vomiting on a cock as a gesture of *rejection* is pretty ripe as well.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Hm.

Considering the motives behind most bulimic purges, considering the fact that I'd rather stick a finger down my throat when sufficiently nauseous than wait for the inevitable, I'd have to agree that there's something about vomit and control that's pretty capitvating.

The idea of vomiting on a cock as a gesture of *rejection* is pretty ripe as well.

I had a secret for you, but you are apparently too cool to answer IMs.

so, to blazes with you.

 

[Netzach]

Dude, I'm too on M's comp to answer IMs....

and you know I'm a big nerd.

 

[Queen Bee]

I once had a vomiting/throat fucking incident. I pulled away violently and managed to redirect to the sheets, but even so I was frozen with mortification, instantly teary and sniveling, trying to cover the little puddle with my hand.

I can't imagine the consort's reaction if I had kept still and puked on him -- rejection, indeed!

 

[s'lara]

Onto something here.

The devaluation of mouth as avenue of intimacy.

For instance, i oblidge my slave to suffer passionate kisses at the hands of a gnome.

Yep ... i've got to agree with Pure. What deeper orifice is there to invade and defile than the mouth and all it leads to? Not only do you feel the shame of being physically soiled (yep, soiled; esp. if the sacramental liquid is forced on or in you), you ingest and incorporate that shame and the memories associated with the taste/smell into your inner-self thereby changing the *you* you were before the act.

Permanent change?

Maybe, but i know the situations we endure shape us to be the people we are and i can't imagine emerging from such a situation unchanged. Good point Pure.

i'm a little late with this commentary -- i see the tide of the thread has turned again. Later smackians, good exchanges and interesting as always.

lara

 

[rosco rathbone]

Yep ... i've got to agree with Pure. What deeper orifice is there to invade and defile than the mouth and all it leads to? Not only do you feel the shame of being physically soiled (yep, soiled; esp. if the sacramental liquid is forced on or in you), you ingest and incorporate that shame and the memories associated with the taste/smell into your inner-self thereby changing the *you* you were before the act.

Permanent change?

Maybe, but i know the situations we endure shape us to be the people we are and i can't imagine emerging from such a situation unchanged. Good point Pure.

i'm a little late with this commentary -- i see the tide of the thread has turned again. Later smackians, good exchanges and interesting as always.

lara

the sacramental liquid eh.....can't believe I didn't come up with that one first


this is just me, but when i come from intense, deep oral, holding her head down and she *gags* deeply and seriously....it's an amazingly sexual moment, and if she yacked, I wouldn't hold it agin' her.

the gag almost seems to be a fundamental, bodily rejection of the deadly venom ....the vile elixir itself...and the orgasm, the ejaculation which doth force that selfsame slime upon the esophagus of my concubine seems to me a moment of triumph, a moment of "your body rejects this but I oblige you to injest it all the same...."

 

[Pure]

Yes I think it's not just the resistance or 'rejection' of gagging, vomiting etc, but it's a deep, bodily rejection (uncontrolled reflex)
which, further, is overcome, or to no avail, or pointless. *

J.

 

[Pure]

Question: Is your partner is induced to gag or vomit, what does that say about 'consent'. Can s/he 'consent' to something the body does involuntarily? Is the previous consent to the activity, in force, or voided?

For me these areas of activity show how there may be resistance in situation consented to--perhaps nonspecifically -- beforehand.

Where there is resistance, tyranny may be exercized.

J.

 

[sigsauerprinces]

yes, you can consent to gag or vomit. my Master wants to punch me in the stomach..i want him to as well. he's told me that it'll feel like i cant breathe-and like im gonna die, and that i may very well throw up. knowing this, i still told him i wanted to do it..so-i consented to it

 

[Netzach]

It's possible, unlikely, but possible, that I could be overcome with nausea in the middle of a scene and vomit all over the place while tying up some guy's nuts.

Play along with me here.

Now he may not have consented to being in my orbit at the time, but barf happens.

Hopefully we'd all be adult about it.

If you don't want your dick vomited on, go easy with it. If you enjoy the feel of tonsils, you're at your own peril, say I.

Likewise for those going "lemme deep throat you, lemme deep throat you" for their personal sense of all's right in the world. You may barf, it's just an occupational hazard.

I can't believe we're discussing consent to fluids that just are going to happen whether you want or not.

 

[Pure]

lotsa bodily fluids are like that--tears, saliva, pee, vaginal secretions, 'pre-cum', semen, and so on

 

[bridgeburner]

Gagging and retching from an actual physical triggering of my reflexes doesn't gross me out. I mean, it's not pleasant, it makes me panicky and it's painful, but it's also sexy.

Eating rotted meat, being kissed by a guy with pirate teeth or licking the floor of the Trainspotting toilet are just gross to me. Hell, even thinking about licking the floor of the Trainspotting toilet is making me drooly and kak-ready.


-B

 

[bridgeburner]

Now he may not have consented to being in my orbit at the time, but barf happens.

God! I have the biggest crush on Netzach!!!


-B

 

[Pure]

N:

It's possible, unlikely, but possible, that I could be overcome with nausea in the middle of a scene and vomit all over the place while tying up some guy's nuts.

Play along with me here.

Yes, let's all play!

But I want to note you and Roscoe are talking differing sides. You're talking about a top who retches, possibly to show distaste for the bottom.

Roscoe is talking about making the bottom gag, etc. as a sign of her subordination, and helplessness in determining what her body does and how it's used. Same situation as Sigsauer, who gives the bottom's experience there.

Bridgeb is talking about the 'gross' and that's a bit tricky (as to erotism), for example a 'load' of semen on a plate for the bottom's dining.

 

[Pure]

A time to bump

Summing up a lot of what's before*** --check it out--

Cruelty** is an important, if not essential, part of "kink," especially as regards, B or D or S or M.



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**NOTE: the entire discussion is based on the premise that one stays within the bounds of the Criminal Code.

***Thanks to all the insightful contributors of the recent pages, including rosco, bridgeburner, netzach, quint, esclave, sigsauerprincess, Queen Bee and s'lara.

 

[bridgeburner]

Summing up a lot of what's before --check it out--

Cruelty** is an important, if not essential, part of "kink," especially as regards, B or D or S or M.
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**NOTE: the entire discussion is based on the premise that one stays within the bounds of the Criminal Code.

The Criminal Code doesn't mean much to me in the context of restraint since there a plenty of things that are legal but which I find morally reprehensible. I find it morally reprehensible to tease a child until he crys or to pick on retarded kids or make fun of the ugly. It's wrong to purposely break someone's heart. It's wrong to betray a trust out of selfishness or disregard, but none of those things is illegal. On the other hand I can't for the life of me figure out why blow-jobs are still illegal in Alabama.

As for cruelty being important or essential to kink: What's cruel about cross-dressing?