SMACK--a concept, a gathering. Welcome.

[Let_it_come]

Lovely

Lovely thread -
Lovely kink -
Lovely ideas -
Not only do I enjoy being physically cruel to my lover (Cock torture, etc.)
But I relish sadism in others.
I would love to suck and masturbate a torturer's cock as he seriously inflicts some hardcore pain on his victim...
I'd love to feel his arousal grow as the screams filled the room until he came in my mouth at the absolute hight of his cruelty.
I'd then love to spit the torturers cum in his victims face & open mouth.
Simple pleasures!
Jenny

 

[Pure]

jenny,
you are quite depraved--welcome!

 

[Let_it_come]

jenny,
you are quite depraved--welcome!

Nice to have found a home!
I've so many more filthy thoughts for you too...

 

[Let_it_come]

Pure Fantasy...

How about... a gorgeous young man being held down having his foreskin peeled back really taut being told by the gang who had grabbed him that they were going to tear it off & throw it to their dogs...?
The guy should be surrounded by horny couples openly masturbating each other and drinking in his every reaction.
The watching men's cum should spurt all over helpless guy & the girls should rub their cunt-wet fingers all over his face & mouth during his ordeal. Really getting off on being so cruel...
Of course they wouldn't really hurt the chap they'd just be enjoying a bit of roleplay with him, only he wouldn't know it so his reactions would be real.
Just one of those thoughts you get when you're putting off doing the housework.
Ahhh well, back to reality!

Jen

 

[Pure]

fantasy is free, lic, but forum rules say to keep kids out of the postings. i.e. everyone over 18. US federal law, also.

(please edit the "16" to an "18" and label it 'fantasy.' i cannot edit or delete here since i'm not a moderator here.)

keep up the (other) good postings!

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

How about... a teenage boy held down having his foreskin pulled back really taut being told that we were going to tear it off & feed it to the dogs...?
(16 is legal in the UK so don't get twitchy!)
The boy should be surrounded by horny couples openly masturbating each other drinking in his fear & pain.
The men's cum should spurt all over him & the girls should rub their cunt-wet fingers all over his face & mouth...
Am I on the right track?
I love all this & would love to take it all so much further...
Jen

What the Hell is this ?

 

[catalina_francisco]

How about... a teenage boy held down having his foreskin pulled back really taut being told that we were going to tear it off & feed it to the dogs...?
(16 is legal in the UK so don't get twitchy!)
The boy should be surrounded by horny couples openly masturbating each other drinking in his fear & pain.
The men's cum should spurt all over him & the girls should rub their cunt-wet fingers all over his face & mouth...
Am I on the right track?
I love all this & would love to take it all so much further...
Jen

Though it is legal in the UK, this is a US site so it might be wise to change the age or reword your post somewhat. I must say though, as entertaining as some of your posts are for some, I have a hard time believing you would last 5 minutes in most of the fantasies you say you would love to experience in RL...just an intuitive feeling I get coupled with experience, perhaps I am wrong, but thankfully it is not up to me to find out.

Catalina

 

[dr_mabeuse]

I'm coming late to this thread and haven't read all of it, so excuse me if this was mentioned before, but this SMACK business almost seems like the obverse of a concept put forth in a previous essay posted by Pure: the idea of abject sex and "abjection" in general.

Not to get too far into it, but abject sex involves the association of the erotic with those things we find most revolting and threatening and downright nauseating--the true taboos. It might start on the mild end with S&M and scat, say, and move on through whatever we find most disgusting--insertion of insects into body parts, necrophilia, the eroticism of rot, decay, and disease. Like SMACK, abject sex doesn't pretend to an ulterior motive or higher purpose other than the exploitation of whatever eroticism we can find in disgust and revulsion.

It would seem to me that your SMACKist is basically practicing abject sex on someone, so the two might be complimentary--one active, one passive.

 

[Pure]

thanks, mab,

for dropping by.

i remember the thread on abjection, but i wasn't able to think of anywhere further to go with the idea. Julia Kristeva is very hard to understand; you have to read her 20 times.

the issue of erotism and disgust is quite old, as you probably know, being found in Sade and Baudelaire ("The Corpse").

a main focus of the SMACK thread and forum is cruelty, inclusive of degradation and what i called 'genuine imposition'.

you said,
DM: I'm coming late to this thread and haven't read all of it, so excuse me if this was mentioned before, but this SMACK business almost seems like the obverse of a concept put forth in a previous essay posted by Pure: the idea of abject sex and "abjection" in general.

Not to get too far into it, but abject sex involves the association of the erotic with those things we find most revolting and threatening and downright nauseating--the true taboos. It might start on the mild end with S&M and scat, say, and move on through whatever we find most disgusting--insertion of insects into body parts, necrophilia, the eroticism of rot, decay, and disease. Like SMACK, abject sex doesn't pretend to an ulterior motive or higher purpose other than the exploitation of whatever eroticism we can find in disgust and revulsion.

It would seem to me that your SMACKist is basically practicing abject sex on someone, so the two might be complimentary--one active, one passive.

P: i'm sure there a link with abjection, though I can't formulate it just now. certainly cruelty may involve debasing something. maybe that makes it disgusting, e.g. if you pee on it. so i see what you say in certain cases, i.e. i see some overlap.

DMLike SMACK, abject sex doesn't pretend to an ulterior motive or higher purpose other than the exploitation of whatever eroticism we can find in disgust and revulsion.

P: i agree cruel sex and abjecting sex don't pretend to a higher pupose, but i don't know if the common object or purpose is always the 'erotism of disgust and revulsion.'

you mention necrophilia, rot, decay and disease as disgusting; so you're down to some pretty basic, maybe biologically programmed revulsions. but if you think back before you frequented these parts and were in the inexperience of youth, weren't LOTS of things a bit disgusting? didn't the young ladies of these 'olden times' (which were a little *later than my youthful times) find a handful of semen, not to say a mouthful, rather revolting? on your side, were you always at ease with 'period sex'?

what i'm driving at is that although the items you mentioned seem to lie across a canyon, or a barrier-like wall, the wall has an element of arbitrariness; it's not writ in stone by Nature. because that canyon or barrier was in a far diffent place 20 years back, when 'erotic piss' threads were not so 'ho hum.'
-----

P: one last thought. SMACK was conceived as related to art. the depiction of weird stuff. i don't think Baudelaire necessary dealt with corpses, but his 'inquiry' pushed the envelope of imagination and writing. same for Rimbaud.

if you want a later analogy, remember 'Naked Lunch' and its sodomy and hangings? i don't think Burroughs hung any of his lovers, but his works do push the limits of erotic imagining. so SMACK should be viewed as not simply about 'what it might be fine to go out and do' (and that is stated in its principles).

your further comments are welcome.

best,
j.

 

[Let_it_come]

fantasy is free, lic, but forum rules say to keep kids out of the postings. i.e. everyone over 18. US federal law, also.

(please edit the "16" to an "18" and label it 'fantasy.' i cannot edit or delete here since i'm not a moderator here.)

keep up the (other) good postings!

Good advice - Thank you.

 

[Let_it_come]

Though it is legal in the UK, this is a US site so it might be wise to change the age or reword your post somewhat. I must say though, as entertaining as some of your posts are for some, I have a hard time believing you would last 5 minutes in most of the fantasies you say you would love to experience in RL...just an intuitive feeling I get coupled with experience, perhaps I am wrong, but thankfully it is not up to me to find out.

Catalina

More good advice - Thanks
I will edit my post as Pure advised.
I'm on a learning curve here.
You are absolutely correct - if I was to actually do all the things I would love to do I would be dead, in prison, or in hospital very quickly.
Most of all this is wank fodder for me or to share with my b/f.
I am however really interested in if others out there get off on it too.
Finding someone to chat to who has experienced this stuff or similar would be fantastic, but what are the odds?
In the meantime I'll tread a bit more softly!
Jenny

 

[Let_it_come]

What the Hell is this ?

Ahem...
Could I ask a favour?
Could you edit your post now I've changed mine please?
Thanks!

As for what it is - it's bored housewife's wank. Nothing more!

Jenny

 

[dr_mabeuse]

DMLike SMACK, abject sex doesn't pretend to an ulterior motive or higher purpose other than the exploitation of whatever eroticism we can find in disgust and revulsion.

P: i agree cruel sex and abjecting sex don't pretend to a higher pupose, but i don't know if the common object or purpose is always the 'erotism of disgust and revulsion.'

you mention necrophilia, rot, decay and disease as disgusting; so you're down to some pretty basic, maybe biologically programmed revulsions. but if you think back before you frequented these parts and were in the inexperience of youth, weren't LOTS of things a bit disgusting? didn't the young ladies of these 'olden times' (which were a little *later than my youthful times) find a handful of semen, not to say a mouthful, rather revolting? on your side, were you always at ease with 'period sex'?

what i'm driving at is that although the items you mentioned seem to lie across a canyon, or a barrier-like wall, the wall has an element of arbitrariness; it's not writ in stone by Nature. because that canyon or barrier was in a far diffent place 20 years back, when 'erotic piss' threads were not so 'ho hum.'
-----

P: one last thought. SMACK was conceived as related to art. the depiction of weird stuff. i don't think Baudelaire necessary dealt with corpses, but his 'inquiry' pushed the envelope of imagination and writing. same for Rimbaud.

if you want a later analogy, remember 'Naked Lunch' and its sodomy and hangings? i don't think Burroughs hung any of his lovers, but his works do push the limits of erotic imagining. so SMACK should be viewed as not simply about 'what it might be fine to go out and do' (and that is stated in its principles).

your further comments are welcome.

best,
j.

I remember Burroughs specifically saying that, in "Naked Lunch", he was trying to just vomit out all the poison that was in him, every filthy, abject thing he could think of. Is that what you mean by SMACK?

I'm trying to understand this, and what it seems to me is that SMACK is like fantasy BDSM. Would that be close to what you're atlking about? Kind of like that artist (I can't remember his name) who specializes in pictures of women being impaled and roasted on spits. They're absurd, of course, but they are erotic.

I've played with this idea from the more vanilla side in some of my erotica. Porn is fantasy, after all, so why not let the imagination run wild and make it as erotic as possible, a kind of surreal erotica. Have women eljaculate not just vaginally, but from their breasts too; have the man so endowed that he can see the head of his cock pressing up against her stomach as he fucks her, or fuck her so deep that he can see the head of his cock emerging from her throat?

If I understand you correctly, SMACK is license to dream and divorce our porn from reality. Is this close?

 

[Pure]

a nice phrase, dr. 'a license to dream'. one thing i might again mention is that 'our' Sadeian roots are acknowledged; he ties many of those themes together--e.g. disgust, transgression-- and he was a dreamer. In Europe, his influence on art are immense, e.g., Cocteau, Dali; in porn, the Story of O remains almost the only work of porn AND literature. Dali's famous "Virgin Auto Sodomized by her own Chastity," is a humorous take off.

At the same time, some of us do practice 'cruel kink'; as Catalina mentioned, what our bodies CAN take is a different kettle of fish; it's not like a Sade novel; no virgins are sacrificed. Indeed Sade's life, if you know much about it was different from the novels, far more limited--no torture, murder, or mutilation, but lots of flogging, buggery, etc.

So Sadism, not prettied up, is a feature of a few threads of mine and a couple literary efforts. The R.L. Sadists--the legal ones, in whom this thread is interested-- are not monsters like Gacy or Dahmer. But such a person is not the "Gentle Dom' or the "Loving Sweet Dom/me" either. Those who 'fall in' with Sadists, too--bottoms, so to say-- are persons of great interest, but not plentiful in these parts.

PS. I would be extremely interested in what you write that might fall into any of these categories, or into related ones you might imagine!
"vomit out" yes, but with artistry!

NOTE: Though SMACK was conceived by a couple of us, it will ultimately be whatever people make of it; it is not a body of dogma.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Kind of like that artist (I can't remember his name) who specializes in pictures of women being impaled and roasted on spits. They're absurd, of course, but they are erotic.

Dolcett? Have a thread here about the emergence of Dolcett Girls from the art. Not all can see the erotica in it, some of us can.

Catalina

 

[Pure]

some extreme fantasies

doc and catalina and others,

perhaps these urls would help

roast 'em and eat 'em comics (dolcett-like pics):

http://girls-eater.com/main/

----
these photographers, the 'muki' couple, seem quite sane and playful, yet their pictures of women trussed and garnished are astounding. and erotic in a very deviant way.

http://www.mukiskitchen.com/about.html

[navigate from the above page; the site owners request no direct-link urls]

i don't know what dark parts of the psyche these (depictions of) extreme cruelties tune into.

 

[Pure]

let it come,

that's a fine and powerful little vignette jenny,

Not only do I enjoy being physically cruel to my lover (Cock torture, etc.)
But I relish sadism in others.

I would love to suck and masturbate a torturer's cock as he seriously inflicts some hardcore pain on his victim...
I'd love to feel his arousal grow as the screams filled the room until he came in my mouth at the absolute hight of his cruelty.
I'd then love to spit the torturer's cum in his victim's face & open mouth.

Simple pleasures!
----

P: i'm not sure why it's powerful, perhaps because of 'your'--the narrator's utter indifference to the victim-figure; in fact, the narrator has a kind of scary, vicarious sadist drive and flair, further demeaning the victim-figure. keep that imagination rolling!

 

[Let_it_come]

that's a fine and powerful little vignette jenny,

Not only do I enjoy being physically cruel to my lover (Cock torture, etc.)
But I relish sadism in others.

I would love to suck and masturbate a torturer's cock as he seriously inflicts some hardcore pain on his victim...
I'd love to feel his arousal grow as the screams filled the room until he came in my mouth at the absolute hight of his cruelty.
I'd then love to spit the torturer's cum in his victim's face & open mouth.

Simple pleasures!
----

P: i'm not sure why it's powerful, perhaps because of 'your'--the narrator's utter indifference to the victim-figure; in fact, the narrator has a kind of scary, vicarious sadist drive and flair, further demeaning the victim-figure. keep that imagination rolling!

Happy that you're happy!
Gimme some advice - where is the right place for all my shit?
I'll PM you happily & tell you more smut if you like, but isn't there a forum for my kinda kink here?
Is the problem the phrasing?
Should I be presenting my ideas as potential story plots?
I just want to work out how to make Lit work for me & to not piss of others in the process. I could even make a contribution here!
I like Lit & think it's cool but if my stuff is out of place then I'm really happy to take it off elsewhere. It's got to be a two way thing - I should be on a site that I want to be on & one that wants me to be there too.
As we all know the internet is a big place!
No attitude here - just looking for pointers -
Jenny

 

[Pure]

Jenny, I'm not the moderator of this forum, but it can emcompass a wide variety of postings, under any of the subcategories of B,D,S,M, fetish and related.

Literotica is partly a story archive and partly a collection of talk forums. If you look at Lit's categories or stories, i'd say 98% of porn or erotica could fit there, as long as beasts and kids aren't involved. So long as it's not misspelled, ungrammatical, wrong punctuated. All polished stories in the subject areas are accepted. 750 word minimum

The violent, or sexually violent stories, fit under 'horror.'
I might point out that with a little imagination, 'sci fi' could accomodate some weird or wild stuff, e.g. a human like clone ravished by a cosmic octopus.

So a subsection of the lit. story area is bdsm stories.

The talk forums can accommodate small pieces (<1000 words) easily, presuming they're to be talked about. Some who frequent forums like 'author's hangout' or 'story feedback' provide links to stories of theirs that lit has accepted. They solicit comments. IOW, it's common to write a bdsm story, post it, then go to bdsm or author's forum, provide a link, and ask for comments. (Of course every posted story has a comment area attached.)


The Story Discussion Circle, which i moderate will discuss any story posted at lit, provided the author has taken part in critiquing and commenting on others' stories--i.e., it's a swap thing among writers.

One does not have to be friends with everyone, even moderators. Note that some forums are UNmoderated and you can post almost anything that's not illegal, destructive, or invasive of privacy. Read the guidelines. General Board will take messages like "Joe blow is a cunt." if that's your level.

Moderators like Catalina just try to keep out the spam and the flaming, and sort threads a bit, but are pretty laid back, as long as literotica rules are respected. My own moderation area is stricter, since there are a limited number of topics related to stories or writing-- but still the main thing is to take out spam or flames. I remove--i.e. transplant-- stories that could simply be posted at lit and for which feedback could be solicited at Story Feedback, no strings.

You should read the 'stickies' in the forums, and the literotica guides that are available as you log in generally or to specific areas.

 

[Let_it_come]

Thanks for that, Pure.
What I'll go do is whip (!) up my fantasies into short fics maybe. That should suit Lit. more.
I'll save my other crap for other websites.
I thought of maybe doing a thread on BDSM fantasies here along the lines of "I'd really love to..." & invite others to add theirs. It would be for all the things beyond what we can actually physically do. Stuff like being tattooed deep up the cunt etc.
I'll go think.

 

[Pure]

hi lic,

if you read the bdsm forum sticky, it says fantasies are welcome--usually small pieces. if you've got an elaborate story, it's easiest to post it as a story, then simply link to it. things need not be possible or bearable; for instance the Story of O has serious floggings, multiple anal rapes etc. (although there is overall voluntary submission.) i believe most of your SM fantasies could be accomodated if you leave out the kids and the beasts-with-humans;
sci fi monsters with humans is ok.

also of interest is your r.l. experiences with SM.

it would be good you labelled accordingly so people would know. for instance, in real life, have you inflicted pain in a sexual context? what if anything does it do for you? what safety precautions if any did you take (as in, sterilize a needle before a piercing). you are free to start your own threads, as you know.

this one is focussed on cruel imposition and imposed cruelty either in fantasy or real life. But, if it's real life, then we're talking infliction of cruel measures, but staying within the law, not actual rape and torture of the unsuspecting and unwilling. [edited]
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I have summarized most of the main rules, but for details and official wordings, see the following.

bdsm sticky--guidelines for the 'bdsm talk' forum. 'café' is more social.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=306646

forum posting rules
http://www.literotica.com/support/forum_rules.shtml

picture posting rules

http://www.literotica.com/faq/06025613.shtml#06026051

story submission guidelines

http://www.literotica.com/subguide.shtml

 

[Let_it_come]

Hey Pure,

Thanks for taking the trouble.
I think I just need to make what I do a bit more Lit. friendly.
I've PM'd CF to hopefully end the soap-opera that I've created.
Love to you -
Jen

 

[Pure]

to let it come,

so lic,

what are your ideas as to cruel humiliations (more psychological than physical).

are you also going to tell of some cruelties you actually performed?

 

[Let_it_come]

so lic,

what are your ideas as to cruel humiliations (more psychological than physical).

are you also going to tell of some cruelties you actually performed?

Hey Pure,

Thanks for the repeated invite!
Psychological cruelty I don't really do, although I'm loving more & more of that style of stuff since you introduced me to it.
My contribution to the wonderful world of cruelty is pretty much in rather blatent acts of cock torture. Not very sophistcated stuff, but I'm happy to share (Details below).

I also like my boy to be mean to my cunt too. Not because I enjoy pain or because he is in any sense my Master but because I like him to indulge this aspect of himself. Usually I masturbate him throughout and let him do whatever to me - Heat, ice, clothes pegs, fist, indulging my Gyny fantasies with the speculum, pinching/pulling/twisting/biting/chewing my cunt lips.
(usually in a 69), bits of bondage, recently bits of cigatrette play also, flogging my tits and slit, tying off my nipples, pegging them, biting them, chewing them, pinching and twisting them, stretching my cunt & ass with over-large insertions, etc.
What I'd really like is to watch him torture another girl and Suck/play with him throughout. At the moment we've only done MFM 3somes and pretty much they have been all about me, my cunt, & my love of spunk. I'm getting more bi-curious as time goes by so another girl in our bed would be a nice next move when we are both ready.
I'd also be happy to torture another girl or boy while he played with me - We have yet to do that one too.

OK - so what do I do to him? Wish I had more to tell you -
Tying off his cock & not letting him cum, ie - bringing him to orgasm & not letting the spunk spurt out. Heat/Ice on his cockhead. Toothpaste down his piss-slit, flogging his cock, balls & ass. Ass fucking him with fingers, vibe & dildo (Not all at once). Scratching, biting, chewing his cock. A lil' bondage. Overloading his cock with cock-rings and rubbing it all over me but not letting him spurt (Looks really good!). Pretty crude stuff like that.

Then there is all the dirty stuff we love - smeg, piss, spunk & cunt, etc., but that isn't cruel, just filthy.

We masturbate ourselves & each other a lot & share fantasies & porn, but again that isn't cruel.

Cruel kink is a part of what we do, but not all of it... And we don't have D/s roles we just enjoy each others sadism in turns. Both of us being sadistic together to a 3rd party would be best maybe...
Still lots more to do!
Jenny.

Edit: Oh and all the other stuff that I loved as a teenager but somehow don't do anymore - Spanking & candle wax etc.
A current kink I forgot is having my boy shave me ritualisticly but leaving the odd stray hair on the cusp of my cunt lips that he then tweezers out one by one all around my slit - that really hurts & I always cry (well, my eyes water at any rate) - Always gets a good reaction from his cock too.

 

[Pure]

wow!

lic: What I'd really like is to watch him torture another girl and Suck/play with him throughout. At the moment we've only done MFM 3somes and pretty much they have been all about me, my cunt, & my love of spunk. I'm getting more bi-curious as time goes by so another girl in our bed would be a nice next move when we are both ready.
I'd also be happy to torture another girl or boy while he played with me - We have yet to do that one too.

P:For some reason these 'stroking the sadist' scenes are quite hot.
I haven't heard them talked about much.
we are of course assuming that if done in real life, there is no lasting harm and that she's indicated agreement to the proceedings. but i don't think that's a problem.

in the first scene, one reason it's hot for me is that you're not her, the (willing) "victim's" ally, as a woman, but allied, with her torturer. maybe giving him advice from a female perspective. i can picture--"this would really hurt, to whip her pussy like so." or even better, "there are lots of tears, but i think she's overdramatizing."

this, i suppose, is the 'merciless woman' figure, which is quite potent (so to say).

The second scene is quite depraved, like something out of Juliette: e.g. you're getting sucked or jilled by him while attaching clothespins to her nipples and clit. it's very 'self absorbed', to use a phrase from anothe thread--totally 'you'.

licA current kink I forgot is having my boy shave me ritualisticly but leaving the odd stray hair on the cusp of my cunt lips that he then tweezers out one by one all around my slit - that really hurts & I always cry (well, my eyes water at any rate) - Always gets a good reaction from his cock too.

P:very ingenious! hadn't thought of this one! VERY kinky!



PS. It's good that you've distinguished your imaginings from what you've done. i want to hear *both*.