story rejected

[sr71plt]

I have only made a few posts to find out what people thought and I have taken it on board. There is no need to be rude about it! And to be honest knowing that you are a reader and not a writer makes me glad that you choose not to view my stories in future since it purely means you will be missing out.

I think Tyro999 was addressing Baphemetis--and got you two combined somehow.

 

[Tyro999]

I think Tyro999 was addressing Baphemetis--and got you two combined somehow.

My bust, I was indeed addressing Baphemetis and not Bethany85. I got careless in proofreading my post thoroughly before hitting the send button, and as invariably happens, I got bitten severely.

Gomenasai, Bethany-san.

 

[Lynn_MXX]

I love this site, and just a few years back, you could write about anything you wanted to, including underage sex.

Tell me then - any moderator that may be reading this - why are Lolita stories banned? Fair enough, the reality of it may not be very nice in many cases and - of course - it's illegal.

And - of course - it's a subject that many people do not like and find distasteful.

Well then, why stop at Lolita stories. How about banning some of the things that I find distasteful? Anal sex, gay & lesbian sex, incest (which is also illegal). I could go on, and it's soooooo very very hypercritical.

Introducing censorship is the worst thing that the site has ever done. I totally sympathise with the starter of this thread. All that story writing work, and it came to nothing

 

[sr71plt]

I love this site, and just a few years back, you could write about anything you wanted to, including underage sex.

Tell me then - any moderator that may be reading this - why are Lolita stories banned? Fair enough, the reality of it may not be very nice in many cases and - of course - it's illegal.

And - of course - it's a subject that many people do not like and find distasteful.

Well then, why stop at Lolita stories. How about banning some of the things that I find distasteful? Anal sex, gay & lesbian sex, incest (which is also illegal). I could go on

Introducing censorship is the worst thing that the site has ever done. I totally sympathise with the starter of this thread. All that work, and it came to nothing

Could it, duh, be because underage sex is illegal in the base country of the Web site, and anal sex and gay & lesbian sex aren't?

I'll give you incest. I didn't realize that was illegal, given legal ages. But they can dump that from this site, and I wouldn't shed a tear.

 

[baphemetis]

Could it, duh, be because underage sex is illegal in the base country of the Web site, and anal sex and gay & lesbian sex aren't?

Murder, rape, blackmail, extortion, and income tax fraud are all illegal activities yet we are free to write about them and to enjoy fictionalized accounts of them. By your criteria, every episode of Law & Order should be banned. Worse yet, your daily newspaper offers nonfictional accounts of real crimes with real victims. Of course, no one would argue that the daily police blotter should be banned.

So, your argument that fictional accounts of illegal activities should be banned doesn't hold water.

Again, it is my suspicion that the site owners find the material distasteful and are acting in accordance with their own personal taste and nothing more.

I'll give you incest. I didn't realize that was illegal, given legal ages. But they can dump that from this site, and I wouldn't shed a tear.

First they came for the Lolita,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a lolita fan.

Then they came for the bestiality,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a zoophiliac.

Then they came for the incest,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't incestuous.

Then they came for me
and there was no left to speak out for me.


This type of egocentricity will not serve you well, Sr71plt.

 

[sr71plt]

Murder, rape, blackmail, extortion, and income tax fraud are all illegal activities yet we are free to write about them and to enjoy fictionalized accounts of them. By your criteria,

It's not my criteria, asshat. It's the Web site's. And you've been told this.

Take a hike.

 

[baphemetis]

It's not my criteria, asshat. It's the Web site's. And you've been told this.

I'm sorry, you seem to have misunderstood.

I know that you, personally, don't set the rules. By "your criteria", I was referring to your speculation that under-18 rule was in place because sex with minors is illegal.

As an aside, I would appreciate a modicum of self-restraint. Name-calling will do nothing to further your arguments or bolster your credibility. I hold nothing personally against you. I don't expect you to take anything I say personally. This juvenile name calling is uncalled for.

 

[sr71plt]

As an aside, I would appreciate a modicum of self-restraint.

Go fish.

We have two lamebrains a week coming around and moaning about this. You've shown up twice this week already, and don't seem to be able to "get it."

It's a private Web site. Follow their rules or take a hike.

 

[estragon]

Do What You Have To Do

"Tell the story you want to tell, not a story that reflects someone else's idea of right and wrong." Laurel and Manu run this site, and it is the best site of its kind by a mile. They can make such rules as they wish. But if you cannot comply with Laurel and Manu's rules, you can (a) respectfully state your objections to the rule in question (e.g., that the United States law against kiddie porn, so far as subject to judicial interpretation to date, relates to use of actual children, not to words only) and (b) publish elsewhere, as suggested in previous posts. I find some of the stuff on ASSTR to be absolute filth, but the posters of such filth are acting within the law. As I do not wish to be associated with the feces-flingers, I will confine my stories to this site, and obey the rules hereof.

 

[estragon]

Go fish.

We have two lamebrains a week coming around and moaning about this. You've shown up twice this week already, and don't seem to be able to "get it."

It's a private Web site. Follow their rules or take a hike.

Blackbird Guy, turn off the afterburners and relax. You fly observation, not close support. Save the firepower for the lead-sled guys.

 

[Lynn_MXX]

"Tell the story you want to tell, not a story that reflects someone else's idea of right and wrong." Laurel and Manu run this site, and it is the best site of its kind by a mile. They can make such rules as they wish. But if you cannot comply with Laurel and Manu's rules, you can (a) respectfully state your objections to the rule in question (e.g., that the United States law against kiddie porn, so far as subject to judicial interpretation to date, relates to use of actual children, not to words only) and (b) publish elsewhere, as suggested in previous posts. I find some of the stuff on ASSTR to be absolute filth, but the posters of such filth are acting within the law. As I do not wish to be associated with the feces-flingers, I will confine my stories to this site, and obey the rules hereof.

So there's nothing on this site that turns your stomach?

 

[scouries]

schoolgirls?

Quote: Originally Posted by Bethany85

Hi I posted my first story recently and it was rejected. The only reason I can think of was that it was about schoolgirls and their teacher.
It is just a fantasy and obviously not real.

QUOTE ace The system tells you why it's rejected. Start from what they told you (which isn't always all that clear). If it was perceived to be about schoolgirls younger than 18 (thus younger than college), yes it will be rejected. 18 is a strict age cutoff here.

A story about schoolgirls and their teacher? Do you think the editors will be fooled by that sleazy approach to the issue?

What you described are characters that are two young to be in stories here. That's what you need to change--the core of your story. To be looking for ways to get around the rules on underage characters in sexual situations is, in my opinion, sleazy. That's my opinion.

Nope. "Schoolgirls" does evoke high school and younger--and I believe, when used, it's a signal for underage. The recognizable signal term for college girls is "coeds." To continue rationalizing this is all just an attempt to circumvent the rules here, which are in place to protect all of those of us who post here.

I came across this thread just now and read ace’s posts. This just after I’d seen that the site had changed the movie it advertises at the top of the page. It’s called Poor Little Shyla and here’s a description of it:

In Poor Little Shyla, Jennings desperately wants to be like other schoolgirls her age: dating, gossiping, going to the mall and experimenting with her budding sexuality. She’s not like other girls, though. Her confinement to leg braces and crutches make her a constant target for teasing, until one day the popular girls take a sudden interest in Shyla and her virginity. Will they be able to look past Shyla’s differences, or will deflowering the disabled girl be the ultimate prank? After experiencing her first, powerful orgasm, Shyla may not care about the motive.

Well ace, it sure looks like somebody in the LITEROTICA sales department was “fooled by that sleazy approach”. Schoolgirls? The mall? budding sexuality?​

[size=+2]james r scouries esq.[/size]
Multiple A.I.R. AWARD winner, MILLION SELLER,
Author of the MOST COMMENTED on
and the MOST VOTED on story on LITEROTICA

 

[sr71plt]

Well ace, it sure looks like somebody in the LITEROTICA sales department was “fooled by that sleazy approach”. Schoolgirls? The mall? budding sexuality?

Yep, this banner is just as sleazy as the last one they were running. I often point to those banners when posters indignantly say this isn't a porn site. I'm sure you've noticed that I do that.

 

[theravenfox]

Just my two cents...

If sex below 18 is a core plot point of the story (not saying this is the case of the original poster and her story) then it doesn't belong on Literotica because it is against their personal website policies. Period. There really is no debating it because they make the rules.

Secondly, if you are writing a story that would be irreparably damaged by changing the characters to inexperienced 18 year olds instead of younger, then you are attempting to appeal to readers that are LOOKING for underage sex. Therefore, you should seek to publish elsewhere where that sort of thing is tolerated. Again, not directing this to the original poster, as it seems that she just didn't think about the ages before posting the story and she hasn't seemed to be jumping up and down demanding her right to post the story as-is.

 

[sr71plt]

Just my two cents...

If sex below 18 is a core plot point of the story (not saying this is the case of the original poster and her story) then it doesn't belong on Literotica because it is against their personal website policies. Period. There really is no debating it because they make the rules.

Secondly, if you are writing a story that would be irreparably damaged by changing the characters to inexperienced 18 year olds instead of younger, then you are attempting to appeal to readers that are LOOKING for underage sex. Therefore, you should seek to publish elsewhere where that sort of thing is tolerated. Again, not directing this to the original poster, as it seems that she just didn't think about the ages before posting the story and she hasn't seemed to be jumping up and down demanding her right to post the story as-is.

Well, yes. Both were my points too. Glad to hear someone else stating them.

 

[Lynn_MXX]

Just my two cents...

If sex below 18 is a core plot point of the story (not saying this is the case of the original poster and her story) then it doesn't belong on Literotica because it is against their personal website policies. Period. There really is no debating it because they make the rules.

Secondly, if you are writing a story that would be irreparably damaged by changing the characters to inexperienced 18 year olds instead of younger, then you are attempting to appeal to readers that are LOOKING for underage sex. Therefore, you should seek to publish elsewhere where that sort of thing is tolerated. Again, not directing this to the original poster, as it seems that she just didn't think about the ages before posting the story and she hasn't seemed to be jumping up and down demanding her right to post the story as-is.

Everyone's got their likes & dislikes. Supposing they banned something that you liked? You wouldn't be so happy to go along with the rules then

 

[favoritesgoddess]

I'd take my stories and go play somewhere else.

Their website, their rules.

 

[PennLady]

Everyone's got their likes & dislikes. Supposing they banned something that you liked? You wouldn't be so happy to go along with the rules then

This is irrelevant. The people running the board make the rules. It's like buying a house in an area with an HOA. You may not like it, but you agree to the rules when you buy in. There are other places to go that have different rules, or no rules. If I wanted to write about a subject that wasn't allowed here, whether I was happy about it wouldn't make much difference. I might ask that the rules be changed, but they are under no obligation to change them. Other sites may be smaller and have fewer readers, but they are there.

 

[MIKEYLICKEY]

My upcoming story, Lynn Takes Care of Her Two Brothers], contains the line "On the day after my eighteenth birthday, I decided to seduce one of my two 19-year old brothers, they are fraternal twins."
Good Enough?

Also, do I have to copyright the story or do I just submit it and literotica does the rest?
Thanks
Mikey

 

[sr71plt]

My upcoming story, Lynn Takes Care of Her Two Brothers], contains the line "On the day after my eighteenth birthday, I decided to seduce one of my two 19-year old brothers, they are fraternal twins."
Good Enough?

Also, do I have to copyright the story or do I just submit it and literotica does the rest?
Thanks
Mikey

That wording is fine. One of my story happens on the protagonist's 18th birthday, and it went through fine.

If you want to spend $35 dollars and file for a formal copyright and wait for the registration to come back, you can. That's the only way it's going to be formally copyrighted, though. The Web site isn't going to file for formal copyright. Without a formal copyright you couldn't go to court if you wanted to sue. Soooo, consider it a gift to the world if you submit it to any open site on the Web.

 

[theravenfox]

Everyone's got their likes & dislikes. Supposing they banned something that you liked? You wouldn't be so happy to go along with the rules then

I don't think LIKING sex with children is really the topic of discussion here. That's disgusting, by the way. Whatever goes on between two consenting adults is their business, but if you involve someone who is not developed enough (and no, 16 is not developed enough) then you are committing a crime. As for stories about that...not my personal cup of tea. Again, I find them disgusting, especially when I look at my two beautiful children.

I am happy to follow the rules in all situations that I put myself in. If I don't like the rules, I move on. It's really very simple.

 

[mstrhole]

A fascinating discussion

I'm fairly new to Literotica, which was recommended to me by "fans" of my work as posted elsewhere on the 'Net, and I'm still learning the culture.

I've enjoyed reading this thread, in particular.

The point that the owners of the site control what is published here is incontrovertable. It's their pond, and if you want to swim in it, you do so under their rules. I'm not sure why that is still being debated.

The rest of the discussion amounts to hair splitting. "Legal" and "illegal" aren't about right and wrong, or justice and injustice, they're simply about legal and illegal.

Something that disgusts one person may entertain another. I've written a number of stories that I wouldn't attempt to post here because they don't fit the culture. I post them on my story blog or in the Flickr group I help administer, "Jenna's Home for Authors," a private group.

Rules, when you get down to it, are inherently arbitrary. The idea that 18 is the magic age at which humans achieve sexual and emotional maturity, for example, is laughable. But, the owners of the site don't have to give us reasons for their rules. They provide authors with a (terrific) service for FREE. I appreciate that. In return, they get to set the rules for posting. If we disagree we can post elsewhere. The internet is a pretty big place and there's room, or should be, for lots of different viewpoints.

Now gather 'round the campfire kids and let's all sing a chorus or two of Kumbyah and then have a nice cup of hot chocolate and a cookie.

 

[MIKEYLICKEY]

That wording is fine. One of my story happens on the protagonist's 18th birthday, and it went through fine.

If you want to spend $35 dollars and file for a formal copyright and wait for the registration to come back, you can. That's the only way it's going to be formally copyrighted, though. The Web site isn't going to file for formal copyright. Without a formal copyright you couldn't go to court if you wanted to sue. Soooo, consider it a gift to the world if you submit it to any open site on the Web.

BUT, will Literotica print it with no copyright?

Thanks,
Mikey

 

[PennLady]

BUT, will Literotica print it with no copyright?

Thanks,
Mikey

Mikey--

The copyright for every story here is held by the writer, not Literotica. I believe that's spelled out in the FAQ or the agreement you click on when you submit. This is just a free site to post stuff on -- they don't do anything except post it.

PennLady

 

[michchick98]

BUT, will Literotica print it with no copyright?

Thanks,
Mikey

Yeah, what PennLady and sr71plit said.

When you post a story here, you're giving Literotica permission to post your work. It's not officially copyrighted, even if you think it is, until you register it with the U.S. copyright office. This has been discussed extensively here. The only thing that will hold up in a court of law in the United States is a formal copyright registration.

And if I'm not mistaken, Intellectual Property rights are not the same as formal copyrights. I may not see eye-to-eye with sr71plt on many things, but he knows his stuff regarding copyrights so he can shed more accurate light on the subject.

Remember too, by posting here, you do run the risk of having your story stolen and posted elsewhere. It happens constantly and there's a new thread about it at least once a month. In this instance, all you can do is copy the URL of the site where your story appears and report it to Laurel through a PM.

There are a few sites that disappear one week and reappear the next with a new domain, but the same old stuff. The only ways to avoid having your work posted elsewhere without your permission is to not post it on the internet, or register a formal copyright for each story you write/publish.