sub or slug ?

[A Desert Rose]

I really do need to qualify my previous post by adding...

If she really is a she.
If she really is a slave.
If she really does clean His ass after he shits.
IF...
IF...
IF...

Personally, I find all this very doubtful. LOL

 

[ownedsubgal]

sighs...ADR, i believe i could post, "it's raining outside today" and you would have issue with it. some people just don't like other people, for one reason or another, so whatever the unliked says or does is going to be taken negatively by that other person. i don't "chastise" you or anyone else. i DO try to stand up for myself, and for my lifestyle.

the last thing i care to do is offend or put down anyone else or the way they live...to the contrary, i defend myself and my own ways here as that is what i feel is most often being "put down" and insulted. littlegirlslut, there IS a distaste by many here (and in many other places) for those whose submissiveness extends beyond a scene or bedroom. that is a reality. that does not mean that i think negatively or less of those who fall into that category (it also does not mean that i do not realize that there are many submissives who fall somewhere inbetween "bedroom sub" and 24/7 slave). what i'm saying is that many of those who DO fall into that category, think negatively and look down upon those like myself. and while everyone has a right to their own opinion, there is no need to put down everyone who thinks differently than yourself in order to express that opinion. labels like "doormat", "slug", "mindless" and "robot" don't do anything to foster understanding or any sense of community.

 

[A Desert Rose]

sighs...ADR, i believe i could post, "it's raining outside today" and you would have issue with it. some people just don't like other people, for one reason or another, so whatever the unliked says or does is going to be taken negatively by that other person. i don't "chastise" you or anyone else. i DO try to stand up for myself, and for my lifestyle.

the last thing i care to do is offend or put down anyone else or the way they live...to the contrary, i defend myself and my own ways here as that is what i feel is most often being "put down" and insulted. littlegirlslut, there IS a distaste by many here (and in many other places) for those whose submissiveness extends beyond a scene or bedroom. that is a reality. that does not mean that i think negatively or less of those who fall into that category (it also does not mean that i do not realize that there are many submissives who fall somewhere inbetween "bedroom sub" and 24/7 slave). what i'm saying is that many of those who DO fall into that category, think negatively and look down upon those like myself. and while everyone has a right to their own opinion, there is no need to put down everyone who thinks differently than yourself in order to express that opinion. labels like "doormat", "slug", "mindless" and "robot" don't do anything to foster understanding or any sense of community. [/QUOTE

Yes this is your MO. Now everyone can feel sorry for this poor slave.

But that's after you have denegrated a few of us who are able to read the subtleties in your posts.

You don't matter to me. Your so-called lifestyle does not either. How I choose to live is my business, too.

Too bad you can't take a lesson from a couple of other slaves here and be a little more generous in your attitude.

 

[shy slave]

Re: Re: Puts hand in fire

I've been around here and read plenty of her posts. This is how she "presents" herself.

I will no longer be brow beaten by her because I don't live my life as a true submissive in her eyes. She comes out and makes these statements about those of us who don't live like she does and then she comes back and tries to backpeddle her way out of it. This is old hat to many of us here.

I don't fall for it anymore. I couldn't give a shit less how she lives. That's her business. But she has no right to chastise me for not living like she does.

I too have been here a while although I admit not as long as you.

ADR I have always enjoyed your posts if I have not always agreed.

But, in which bit of her post did she chastise you personally or anyof us who live a different life to her.

I certainly do not life my life as she does yet i have respct for what she says. As I have had respect for you.

Please show me which bit of her original post is chastisment so I can understand your viewpoint.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I like a sub with vigor, verve and a certain je ne sais quoi; who can apply herself from any task at hand whether it be cooking a gourmet meal when I bring the boss home for dinner; cleaning the gutters, or devising a memorable theme party for a child's birthday.

 

[incubus'_sub]

I don't care to argue lifestyles with you OSG, but I do wonder why you spend your life thinking & worrying as you say. As you don't have to act on any thoughts or make any decisions, why waste the effort?

My real question is this. Did your Master actually demand this of you, really demand it I mean, or did you just decide that real subs/slaves behave in this manner & proceed accordingly?

 

[rosco rathbone]

OSG chastised no one. She took exception to being called a "slug" just becasue she lives a life of total servitude.

I for one think her posts are always filled with wisdom, grace, sincerity and shy humor.

You go, OSG.

 

[sunfox]

OSG chastised no one. She took exception to being called a "slug" just becasue she lives a life of total servitude.

I for one think her posts are always filled with wisdom, grace, sincerity and shy humor.

You go, OSG.

Always with the shit-stirring, rosco.


I never called her a slug. I did, however, point out that she frequently comes across as mocking anyone who -doesn't- ask for permission to pee. As if anyone who doesn't live their life the way she does is lesser than she is.

I agree, her posts are very sincere.. and as such, are sincerely aimed at denigrating everyone living differently.

I give her snaps for backing up and smoothing over the rough edges.. but that really doesn't remove the subtext of 'holier than thou'.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Re: Puts hand in fire

I too have been here a while although I admit not as long as you.

ADR I have always enjoyed your posts if I have not always agreed.

But, in which bit of her post did she chastise you personally or anyof us who live a different life to her.

I certainly do not life my life as she does yet i have respct for what she says. As I have had respect for you.

Please show me which bit of her original post is chastisment so I can understand your viewpoint.

You just keep reading her posts. You will figure it out You're a bright woman.

She (if she is a she) is a walking contradiction. And I'm done with her (if she is a HER) as a topic.

 

[shy slave]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Puts hand in fire

You just keep reading her posts. You will figure it out You're a bright woman.

She (if she is a she) is a walking contradiction. And I'm done with her (if she is a HER) as a topic.

Ok
there has been plenty in-fighting on the boards of late and it is never fun to read.

Nor have I any wish to stir, wind or upset anyone.

Its simply that I enjoy osg view of the world as it is so different to mine.

She gives an angle I would not have thought of.

Any post that makes my brain cells work is a positive for me.

To that end I do not care what her gender is nor her contradictions, its enough that i enjoy what I read of both hers and many others.

*offers hand of friendship to ADR*

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Puts hand in fire

Ok
there has been plenty in-fighting on the boards of late and it is never fun to read.

Nor have I any wish to stir, wind or upset anyone.

Its simply that I enjoy osg view of the world as it is so different to mine.

She gives an angle I would not have thought of.

Any post that makes my brain cells work is a positive for me.

To that end I do not care what her gender is nor her contradictions, its enough that i enjoy what I read of both hers and many others.

*offers hand of friendship to ADR*

There has never been a question as to our friendship, in my mind at least. And I would never ask you to take sides against or for anyone... just as I need no one to come to by defense.

I have been here long enough to have read many posts on many threads. I'm just no longer sucked in.

'Nuff said, my friend. ;-D

 

[rosco rathbone]

Always with the shit-stirring, rosco.


I never called her a slug. I did, however, point out that she frequently comes across as mocking anyone who -doesn't- ask for permission to pee. As if anyone who doesn't live their life the way she does is lesser than she is.

I agree, her posts are very sincere.. and as such, are sincerely aimed at denigrating everyone living differently.

I give her snaps for backing up and smoothing over the rough edges.. but that really doesn't remove the subtext of 'holier than thou'.

No shit stirring here...OSG has always been one of my favorite posters at this forum.

I have never gotten the sense that she is denigrating anyone, She seems to have a lot of pride in her radical lifestyle; but that doesn't translate to "denigrate". What did she say that could be called "mocking"?

 

[ownedsubgal]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Puts hand in fire

You just keep reading her posts. You will figure it out You're a bright woman.

She (if she is a she) is a walking contradiction. And I'm done with her (if she is a HER) as a topic.

ADR, i am indeed a "she". i know the idea of my being a real, sincere, breathing and thinking person just irritates you to no end, but it's true. my Master and i have met people from this board in person. that's none of your business....but i only mention it because maybe you need some sort of evidence that i am not some phoney. i do believe that you are indeed real ADR...female and all. i also believe that you strongly dislike me (for what reasons i don't know and no longer care). that said, why can't you just make it easy on yourself and ignore, as my very breath drives you crazy, instead of at every corner insulting me, my Master, our ways, and attempting to get everyone else that you can to hop on your bashing bandwagon? this is such a sad throwback to junior high. *smh*


incubus' sub said: "I don't care to argue lifestyles with you OSG, but I do wonder why you spend your life thinking & worrying as you say. As you don't have to act on any thoughts or make any decisions, why waste the effort?

My real question is this. Did your Master actually demand this of you, really demand it I mean, or did you just decide that real subs/slaves behave in this manner & proceed accordingly?"

did my Master demand what of me? as to why i think and worry so much...i am a human being, and as such, i think. i worry. i love. i experience every other emotion and range of thought as anyone else. that is only natural. and my Master rather likes me that way...functioning brain and all.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Puts hand in fire

ADR, i am indeed a "she". i know the idea of my being a real, sincere, breathing and thinking person just irritates you to no end, but it's true. my Master and i have met people from this board in person. that's none of your business....but i only mention it because maybe you need some sort of evidence that i am not some phoney. i do believe that you are indeed real ADR...female and all. i also believe that you strongly dislike me (for what reasons i don't know and no longer care). that said, why can't you just make it easy on yourself and ignore, as my very breath drives you crazy, instead of at every corner insulting me, my Master, our ways, and attempting to get everyone else that you can to hop on your bashing bandwagon? this is such a sad throwback to junior high. *smh*


incubus' sub said: "I don't care to argue lifestyles with you OSG, but I do wonder why you spend your life thinking & worrying as you say. As you don't have to act on any thoughts or make any decisions, why waste the effort?

My real question is this. Did your Master actually demand this of you, really demand it I mean, or did you just decide that real subs/slaves behave in this manner & proceed accordingly?"

did my Master demand what of me? as to why i think and worry so much...i am a human being, and as such, i think. i worry. i love. i experience every other emotion and range of thought as anyone else. that is only natural. and my Master rather likes me that way...functioning brain and all.

No, I will never put you on ignore. You're contradictions are too entertaining for that.

 

[sunfox]

No shit stirring here...OSG has always been one of my favorite posters at this forum.

I have never gotten the sense that she is denigrating anyone, She seems to have a lot of pride in her radical lifestyle; but that doesn't translate to "denigrate". What did she say that could be called "mocking"?

I respect your feeling that you've never felt she denigrated anyone.

I should hope that you can respect mine that I have felt, many times, that she was rather pointedly sneering at quite a few of the rest of us... feeling herself to be a better submissive because she claims to have no rights in her relationship.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not stupid, nor am I reactionary simply for the purpose of picking a fight. If I was going to pick a fight, it certainly wouldn't be with someone whose ability to defend a position could be removed at any time by her owner. That'd be a waste of my time, and likely hers as well.

However, the fact that I am, by far, not the only one to have noticed the snide undercurrent of some of her posts should make it clear that it exists, in some fashion.

 

[incubus'_sub]

No, OSG, my real question was whether or not your Master ever actually demanded unthinking, unquestioning, totally mindless compliance with his every whim or wish about everything in your life, down to all the little details, or whether you just behave that way because you think it's the rules?

This question comes from the oft stated views of the regular Doms here who prefer not to have to concern themselves with the day to day details & actually prefer to have intelligent, independant subs/slaves. Your Master may well have a different view & you may be exactly the way he wants you to be, but from your posts I just get the impression that the idea mainly comes from your view of what a real sub/slave should be & you act accordingly.

I'm not questioning your choice or your right to have chosen this way, but how that choice came to be made in the first place.

 

[Hajar]

I'll answer the question, the original one.

I believe most PYL want an pyl that can think, MOST if not all of the subs I've had the pleasure of meeting in real life, are well educated or actively educating themselves to the pride of their PYL.
And the ones that I sometimes chat with online are always learning, may it be PYL driven or just for their own enjoyment.
It's my belief that an educated pyl is an asset to their PYL, and speaks to the love and attention that they are willing to place in that person.

 

[Netzach]

I like a sub with vigor, verve and a certain je ne sais quoi; who can apply herself from any task at hand whether it be cooking a gourmet meal when I bring the boss home for dinner; cleaning the gutters, or devising a memorable theme party for a child's birthday.

*LOL*

personally I like cringing abject do-me slaves who I can just give a quick kick in the balls and send off happy.

 

[Netzach]

I also don't get a one of chastisement from OSG, I'm not seeing it, maybe because I'm not sensitized to the "really a submissive" issue, although in my pages of go-rounds with Pure over the issue I think I must actually be sensitive to it.

I think maybe there's not as much acknowledgement as some folks would like that there's something between the poles of "bedroom only" and "24/7 with tons of micromanaged control"

 

[graceanne]

oops, wrong thread

 

[rosco rathbone]

I respect your feeling that you've never felt she denigrated anyone.

I should hope that you can respect mine that I have felt, many times, that she was rather pointedly sneering at quite a few of the rest of us... feeling herself to be a better submissive because she claims to have no rights in her relationship.

You have your opinion, I have mine. I'm not stupid, nor am I reactionary simply for the purpose of picking a fight. If I was going to pick a fight, it certainly wouldn't be with someone whose ability to defend a position could be removed at any time by her owner. That'd be a waste of my time, and likely hers as well.

However, the fact that I am, by far, not the only one to have noticed the snide undercurrent of some of her posts should make it clear that it exists, in some fashion.

Like netz, I don't have my antennae up for that one. I'm not telling anyone how to feel; it just didn't register to me.

 

[sweetnpetite]

I remember saying something similer about "responsablity" and being 'educated' on such things as total power exchange or whatever.

I think we are responsible for our own actions, sub, dom, slave or otherwise, and therefor thinking for ourselves is a must. I would think that a *decision* to obey would be preferable to mindless obedience, but I do know that there are those who abdicate thought and responsiblity.

Not to say that all subs do, at all. But I've seen a lot of people on all sides defending this 'lifestyle' decision. I don't.

 

[emme]

What do you do as a sub when you know they (the dom) are making a bad decision?

example:
I forget to clean out the frig and he decides to eat the science experiment that used to be food I left in there?

or something more serious like you are buying a car and the dealer is really giving you bad vibes?

I think a sub will call of a time out, and fights for it if the dom doesn;t listen. A slug just goes along with minimal protest?

Possible off topic but do you agree?

emme

 

[Xelebes]

*sneakily sprinkles salt on Xelebes*

And you wondered why I took so long to respond?

Well, it took me a while but then a witch came along and gave me a +2 cure for the -4 salt. With reduced mobility, I am slave to the witch now. I hate salt bondage.

 

[ownedsubgal]

No, OSG, my real question was whether or not your Master ever actually demanded unthinking, unquestioning, totally mindless compliance with his every whim or wish about everything in your life, down to all the little details, or whether you just behave that way because you think it's the rules?

This question comes from the oft stated views of the regular Doms here who prefer not to have to concern themselves with the day to day details & actually prefer to have intelligent, independant subs/slaves. Your Master may well have a different view & you may be exactly the way he wants you to be, but from your posts I just get the impression that the idea mainly comes from your view of what a real sub/slave should be & you act accordingly.

I'm not questioning your choice or your right to have chosen this way, but how that choice came to be made in the first place.

incubus' sub...my Master does not desire a mindless, unthinking, robot type slave. and obviously, i do not view that as a desireable state, at least not for myself. my original point in this thread, is that oftentimes certain ways within this lifestyle are mistaken for mindlessness, for sluggishness, or whatever, when in reality that is far from the case. yes i am to obey my Master always and without question or hesitation. that does not equate to my being a mindless zombie who does not take a breath without being told how to breathe and when. that does not mean that i do not ever engage in intelligent, free conversation with my Master. He happens to enjoy talking with me, considers me to be his friend, and friends talk. no, i am not independent. no, i cannot say whatever i want, whenever i want. no i cannot refuse him anything. but i am truly loved...and truly appreciated, for the individual i am. i can express an opinion, i can express feelings, but at the appropriate time, in the appropriate way. and yes, i would say that i am as my Master wishes me to be...else, why would he put up with me for so long?