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[Etoile]

Number 3.

Okay, here is that post in its entirety:

The only Dom i follow is my own.*nodding*

That's kind of what i was thinking earlier, i'm not too sure mine would take too kindly to knowing i was threatened with a caning but it is only the interwebz.
His calm rational side would would tell me to consider the source and tell her to fuck off. ahahahahahahaha

Does this mean i'm in a clique now? i've always wanted to be.

Again, where is the nasty part? What on earth is nasty? And how is one post, "five times" by any count?

It seems to me that you ARE quick to call names.

Oh, and in case you missed it, here's something I said in reference to you last night. I think it is very important for you to hear this:

"PG's righteous indignance about men mistreating women, female dominance, men being scum, and other pseudo-feminist comments is a complete sham. No one but a natal female knows what it's like to be a woman from the get-go. You guys know I am a valiant defender of transgender rights, but what we have here is someone who grew up with MALE PRIVILEGE trying to strut her stuff as if she truly understood the female experience. I don't know a single other transwoman who would do that in such a ridiculous fashion, most transwomen respect the fact that their experience is not the same as that of a cisgender female, and they don't try to pull this lame bullshit. Then again, most transwomen remember to take their estrogen every day, and don't let the testosterone get as out of control in their system as this one has."

 

[00Syd]

Then you must have decided to overlook everything that pink said and just decided to single me out without having the context or background to what was going on at the time. After 5 times, I had put up with her crap, and she is like way overweight. It really wasn't an insult to comment on something that she put as her photo for all to see

Uh, no, I did not overlook everything that pink said to you. Yes, I have read all of it. How could I resist reading anything that entertaining? Considering the way you were acting, all of Pink's responses were totally appropriate. And calling her fat, obese.. didn't you say grotesque at one point? Or was that about someone else? Either which way, I'm only pointing out that calling someone fat does seem to fall under the heading of "lowest common denominator," something that you've condemned.

 

[PrincessGoddess]

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[PrincessGoddess]

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[00Syd]

It was not easy for me to write about those things. Nor to try and formulate the proper words and context for what I am trying to convey. But I do my best. Why am I being singled out to be made fun of and mocked, as if I was somewhat less than a person than other people?

Because you treated other people like they were less than a person.

(Hint: Submissives)

 

[PrincessGoddess]

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[Etoile]

It is conceivable that with all of the dirt being tossed on me, I may have confused pink with another poster here. I will grant you that. I was so upset by all of the mean things said about me, to me, that I went my own way, and then I get people stalking me. I was intersexed, and my genetic circumstances are different. Genetically I AM NEONATAL FEMALE DEAR. If you don't like that, or have issues with it, or don't want to agree with it, then I cannot do anything about that. I took a great deal of time to cover the circumstances under how I was conceived, born, and raised. I have had too many people use my own words to make fun of me and mock me, and, as dad would say, dagnabit, that just ain't right. Those words are on here for all to see.

It was not easy for me to write about those things. Nor to try and formulate the proper words and context for what I am trying to convey. But I do my best. Why am I being singled out to be made fun of and mocked, as if I was somewhat less than a person than other people?

Oh, I've read your story on the other board. You must have missed the part where I said "raised with male privilege" - which you were, given that you were raised male. Now, I fully understand the potential reality of this situation, I know the whole sordid David Reimer ("John/Joan") story. However, you cannot claim to understand the female experience in the way that you do. You are not a cisgender female. You were raised male and later became female. You yourself state that you are transgender, you've said it all over. And THAT is my point. I don't care about your chromosomes; a member of my family has Klinefelter's (which is what your story alluded to, XXY syndrome), he was raised male and continues to be male. My point is that you were RAISED MALE and as such you have no business making those hyperfeminist statements that you are making. Take Michigan for example: there's a reason trans people aren't allowed in: they are considered by some to not understand the female experience. Whether you have come to womanhood later in life, or left your womanhood behind for masculinity, if you are trans, you are not allowed into Michigan. You can never fully understand. You can be a staunch advocate, but you cannot fully understand. Just as I am an advocate for trans people, but I do not pretend to fully understand their experience.

(As for Michigan itself, it's a damn concert, and I think it should be trans-inclusive. I'm just using it as an example of a women-only environment. A support group could be another example.)

The reason you're being made fun of is because you have not made an attempt to integrate with anyone here. You swooped in with your mindset completely frozen, you were unwilling to accept that this board doesn't operate in the way that others do, and you started throwing insults around and demanding that things be run your way. It was your way or the highway, and the rest of us are "road less traveled" types.

And if you look around, there has been a TON of help, not all of it is silly; sure we have our Cafe threads but most people here have lots of useful things to say. A lot of it is cataloged in the library.

Maybe you just don't fit in here. This might not be your kind of board. We are pretty much straight-up legit folks, and we call things as we see them. If you don't like what people see, maybe you should change the image you're presenting.

 

[PrincessGoddess]

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[Etoile]

Me: "Do women who lose their ovaries deserve to be treated as less than full women?" Sister: "No, of course not. A woman is a woman based on her genetic code, not the organs she has in her body at any given point in time." Me: "That's what I thought"

Interesting that you say this. I've always thought gender was more important than biological sex. Your gender is WHO you are, not WHAT you are - it's not your organs OR your genetics. It's your actions and behaviors and thoughts. But hey, YMMV.

 

[PrincessGoddess]

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[catalina_francisco]

PrincessGoddess, please read the PM I just sent to you on receipt of yet another one from you as soon as I woke up. I think you have the right to be warned you might need to spend your time more productively by preparing to argue your case in relation to the breach of this Lit rule if they decide to take you seriously:

5. Do not threaten other users.

I have been patient, I have been courteous, but you are right, it is my legal responsibility as a moderator to notify Lit of someone such as yourself making threats against myself and other posters such sd physical violence and setting your friends off to get them to keep your name out of it and thus avoid any nasty prison term for anything they might do to avenge you. I did wonder if you had any friends, but decided once you reminded me so nicely of my responsibility that I don't need to know that, I need to take the repeated threats seriously and let the powers of be know in the interests of protecting the site. Have a nice day, I know I am going to on my adventures in Amsterdam.

Catalina

 

[Etoile]

Yes, but who is to say who fits in anywhere. Point taken, it has not been living the female from day one. Gold star to you with silver star bonus. Truthfully I am curious if anyone will ever even address my main point that IMO since multiple studies show that persons with a more positive training experience (generally studies only done in a work place), one that was filled by positive feedback, constructive criticism that was motivational, and praise when deserved, tend to be able to achieve better results in the aggregate, whether or not same would hold true in a lifestyle training environment. But dumping and piling on a new arrival is not what I call legit at all. My friends and I would call that bogus. And perhaps the people acting in that manner should be called more often on that type of behavior.

Yay stars, I like stars, they fit my name.

If I have parsed your paragraph right (it's nearly 2am), what you are saying is that despite your undesirable behavior, we should encourage you and praise you because that will give us the behavior we are looking for? We should "train" you to post in a style that fits in better with that of other posters? I must be very confused because I just don't understand.

I said the people were legit, BTW - just meant that you're talking to real people here, we are who we are.

 

[00Syd]

00Syd, I lived as a submissive in this lifestyle for more than 25 years. What happened during yesterday during the thrashing that I was doing was that I wanted to have a place for Dominants to converse with me, but it did not get that far, because the subs went ballistic, started calling their Doms to protect them, and snowball effect. Here, let me pull something up for you:

Yes, I read that interaction.

I'm referring more to:

STAY OUT OF THIS THREAD UNLESS YOU ARE A DOMINANT AND WANT TO DISCUSS WITH ME A REASONABLE COMMENT.

desertslave, you are not a dominant, and therefore, by making a spectacle of yourself and acting like a teen, all you have done is show that you are NOT respectful of others, and are NOT courteous, and do NOT possess a nice demeanor.

PLEASE STAY OUT OF THIS THREAD IF YOU ARE NOT A DOMINANT AND DO NOT INTEND TO DISCUSS A REASONABLE COMMENT OR SUGGESTION REGARDING WHAT I AM WRITING ABOUT.

If I ever met your Master, you can be assured that I would tell him what a little brat you are. PLEASE, leave this thread and don't return. You do not belong posting in it, Ms. "topping from the bottom". PLEASE RESPECT ME.

Leslie, The Princess Goddess
Princess Angel

To all of you,

Please be respectful of my right to want to do something different. If what I write does not have a direct correlation to what you intend to post in my thread, then it is exceptionally discourteous to make that post. Some people are okay with having their thread, "Hijacked". I am not one of them. Do me a favor: Afford me the same respect that I afford others who post threads on this board. I should NOT EVER have to ask to be respected by any person, let alone SUBS.

I have the same right to have courtest extended to me as you do.

Leslie, The Princess Goddess
Princess Angel

You've lived as a sub for 25 years? Good for you. Okay, so you wanted to talk to Doms? Great.

However, you posted in a place that everyone is welcome and encouraged to post in, Doms, subs, switches, and everything in between. In trying to keep subs out of your thread (and talking to them with such a demeaning attitude), you unsurprisingly offended a few people. You might interpret peoples response as them going "ballistic," I would say it was more along the lines of an appropriate response.

 

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[Etoile]

See Catalina, you just want to continue on, but I will wait for you to be the first one to go the disrespectful route. Then, when I respond, it will be self defense.

I thought you wanted her to do her moderator duties?

 

[Etoile]

No, that is not what I said. What I said is that I wanted to converse with people and get a discussion going around the merits (now qualifying meanings) of training subs from a positive feeback, reward/punishment model, more focused on the reward, than the punishment. A regimen designed to motivate through praise, instead of focusing on negative things. It was not about the interaction between people who post on this board. So those two are apples/oranges for the sake of lacking a better comparison.

So confusing. I should really go to bed.

 

[PrincessGoddess]

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[Netzach]

Wow, Ms. Professional Dominatrix, you are certainly a two faced person. I find it astounding that you managed to interact with the Princess on postings that you thought were up your alley and it was a topic that you thought was important. Yet here you are just a couple of days later trying to whizz all over someone who is finding their way. For someone who is "managing", as you put it, multiple personal relationships, perhaps your bi-polarness comes from the fact that you can't settle on a single relationship, and then you project your bitterness into some kind of, "I am more holier than you are" sort of expounding on gawd knows whatever sort of brain fart that came across you today. I don't blame her for going off on many of these idiot fatties who do nothing but sit around here and trash other people. What they should do with themselves is get on that diet, get out there and exercise, and try to improve their life, instead of trying to tear down others. At the very least, the cost of flying from point A to point B might not be as much for us thinner people having to bear the additional cost lugging their fat asses around.

Because even someone like you can post something of value, like the monkey who actually DOES type out "To be or not to be....ghserihwejerhweb"

I'm dying to know what this fat obsessed nutjob must actually weigh.

Get help.

I beg.

Dollparts looks sane.

 

[Etoile]

Pleasant dreams. Each new day has a chance to be a good one.

Thank you.

(I'm not sure that a day that starts with a 7am airport shuttle pickup has a GOOD chance of being a good day, but I'll try!)

 

[catalina_francisco]

I thought you wanted her to do her moderator duties?

Yep, so did I...I even agreed with her. How many times is that now that I agreed with her....3?4? Anyway, I'm sorry princess, but you did tell me you had notified the site on me, and reminded me of my duty of care, so I have PMed the site owners with a brief (well brief for me...about 4 or 5 paragraphs) overview of what has been happening including your threats of physical violence and to bring your gang to Lit to make us all leave so you can reign supreme. I did provide some links to save them some time if they bother as they are really busy people. I didn't understand that I was not allowed to let them know, especially after you said you had run to them about me and Metomorphoses and goodness knows who else. As you said, I have a responsibility as mod of this forum and I'm afraid if you threaten the posters with violence, and to destroy the forum, I agree, I have a responsibility.

Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

Oh, I've read your story on the other board. You must have missed the part where I said "raised with male privilege" - which you were, given that you were raised male. Now, I fully understand the potential reality of this situation, I know the whole sordid David Reimer ("John/Joan") story. However, you cannot claim to understand the female experience in the way that you do. You are not a cisgender female. You were raised male and later became female. You yourself state that you are transgender, you've said it all over. And THAT is my point. I don't care about your chromosomes; a member of my family has Klinefelter's (which is what your story alluded to, XXY syndrome), he was raised male and continues to be male. My point is that you were RAISED MALE and as such you have no business making those hyperfeminist statements that you are making. Take Michigan for example: there's a reason trans people aren't allowed in: they are considered by some to not understand the female experience. Whether you have come to womanhood later in life, or left your womanhood behind for masculinity, if you are trans, you are not allowed into Michigan. You can never fully understand. You can be a staunch advocate, but you cannot fully understand. Just as I am an advocate for trans people, but I do not pretend to fully understand their experience.

(As for Michigan itself, it's a damn concert, and I think it should be trans-inclusive. I'm just using it as an example of a women-only environment. A support group could be another example.)

The reason you're being made fun of is because you have not made an attempt to integrate with anyone here. You swooped in with your mindset completely frozen, you were unwilling to accept that this board doesn't operate in the way that others do, and you started throwing insults around and demanding that things be run your way. It was your way or the highway, and the rest of us are "road less traveled" types.

And if you look around, there has been a TON of help, not all of it is silly; sure we have our Cafe threads but most people here have lots of useful things to say. A lot of it is cataloged in the library.

Maybe you just don't fit in here. This might not be your kind of board. We are pretty much straight-up legit folks, and we call things as we see them. If you don't like what people see, maybe you should change the image you're presenting.

Oh Etoile, you are wonderful...maybe we need to start an Etoile calender to keep us sane and to the point, and help educate about things not everyone has the blessing to be exposed to in.

Catalina

 

[girlofurdreams]

name calling...

hey Furry, you can call names all you want. Calling names is the lowest common denominator in a debate. Since you don't have the ability to debate my points rationally, you sink to the name calling thing. Typical for a brat

i know i said i was going to stop biting.... but how can i resist???
the list of names our good friend createaheshe called my via PM today:

*brainless
*bimbo
*bitch
*you are nothing but a dumb ass
*trashy whore ass
*tramp
*and dumb bitch again....


hmmmm... someone needs to take their meds REAL quick

 

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