Taken In Hand

[graceanne]

I've already fallen on my sword for the greater glory of domination-just prior to being banned from the Ms.com boards; back when you were just a twinkle in your daddy's eye.

It was an interesting experience, to say the least.

LOL Well I'm not gonna do it. They scare me.

 

[rosco rathbone]

LOL Well I'm not gonna do it. They scare me.

They scare me too, my young friend.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

RR, your av is scaring me and I've seen some scary things.

They scare me too, my young friend.

 

[graceanne]

They scare me too, my young friend.

LOL

 

[FurryFury]

RR, your av is scaring me and I've seen some scary things.

I agree!

Fury

 

[rosco rathbone]

He's just kissing her passionately, jeez. (Ok, and non-consensually).

 

[Kajira Callista]

He's just kissing her passionately, jeez. (Ok, and non-consensually).

kinda hot if you ask me.

 

[Marquis]

He's just kissing her passionately, jeez. (Ok, and non-consensually).

You're a monster, you know that?

 

[alice_underneath]

To tell you the truth, BB and Miss Fury.... of all the avs Mr. Rathbone has had - that's my favorite one!

Please don't tell the feminists, ok?

By the way.... ummm.... can't imagine what made me think of this just now ...... but..... I do think it would be helpful for the Taken In Hand website to adopt Evil Geoff's suggested wording. Instead of calling it 'The Gift of Rape', I think it would be better if the title of that article were: 'The Gift of Ravishment'.

Alice

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

He's just kissing her passionately, jeez. (Ok, and non-consensually).

I have been wondering about the AV is that Temuera Morrison please ?

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

You're a monster, you know that?

awwww look at you two...........sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet ......smiles

 

[rosco rathbone]

I have been wondering about the AV is that Temuera Morrison please ?

It's Jo Jae-Hyoun in a great movie.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I do think it would be helpful for the Taken In Hand website to adopt Evil Geoff's suggested wording. Instead of calling it 'The Gift of Rape', I think it would be better if the title of that article were: 'The Gift of Ravishment'.

Alice

The TIH folk are well aware of the inflammatory nature of their choice of words. I think Sarah Cavendish is a bit disingenuous, to be honest. She's a shit-stirrer in the guise of a prim and proper British lady.

 

[alice_underneath]

It's Jo Jae-Hyoun in a great movie.

"If you have enough patience and an open mind (and you're not a hardcore feminist), this could be one of the more rewarding experiences of the year."

LOL....

 

[alice_underneath]

The TIH folk are well aware of the inflammatory nature of their choice of words.

I'm sure they are, and that's really my point. The message would be more valuable without the unnecessary provocation.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

It's Jo Jae-Hyoun in a great movie.

He still looks sooooooooooo much like the Jake character in Once Were Warriors.....probably more to do with charisma .......than actual appearance perhaps.

 

[Mr. Mann]

alice_underneath, that is a great re-post there! Kudos to you! And "Right On Sister!" for standing up to those "womyn"!

Me, wade hip deep in femifascists!

There are quite a few ladies there holding their own quite well. I don't presume that they need my help. They can speak with more authority than I on the issue. I'm the enemy, remember!

Besides....

..... I'd prefer to seduce their daughters who are of legal age.



Sometimes, you have to give up on one generation, and try to reach the next one!

 

[AngelicAssassin]

She's a shit-stirrer in the guise of a prim and proper British lady.

Would that mean she has a stick so far up her ass it stiffens her upper lip?

 

[stirbird]

I'm sure they are, and that's really my point. The message would be more valuable without the unnecessary provocation.

Sigh. People used to say that very same thing to me and mine, too, once upon a lifetime. Controversy cetainly disturbs a certain sort of personality, and the above is the response that they typically give to whomever they imagine to be the source of it. But to the politically (and radically) astute, agitprop is an extremely valuable tool: it polarizes positions, it causes the unwary and and the unclever (which is most people who post online, certainly, not to mention those you encounter elsewhere) to drop their thin veneers of proper politeness and, in the flurry-scurry of controversy, let out the true beast lurking just under the surface.

The value of this is that, for the few intelligent and thoughtful observers sitting on the fence (which is always the audience you're aiming to reach--although your opponents always mistakenly imagine you are trying to convert the masses, they think you're "one true way," and all that jizz), the irrationality and tenuousness of the opposing view and it's basis in prejudice, bias, and bitterness rather than fact become perfectly clear in a manner that would never have been possible if the matter of genuine attitudes and emotions were left in peaceful suspension. The great value of "stirring" sez the 'bird, is that the spinning process, if fast enough, separates and throws certain heavy clots to the bottom of your tube, making them visible for all who have eyes to see.

Of course, such a stirrer needs to have a very strong sense of self-worth, because the viciousness that gets thrown your way in response to agitprop (I'm sure Sarah gotten death threats; I certainly used to) is extraordinarily vile, viscous stuff. Like napalm, it will adhere to you and burn you, if your emotional protection cannot repel it. Few submissives have that level of protection in their arsenal, as a whole we are remarkably unarmoured people. So I applaud Sarah: what she has been doing regularly and consciously for several years, I could only apply in very small doses, due to my personal lack of protection against the fiery fallout. She's an extraordinary and, in my opinion, very smart woman.

PS: Alice, I think I'm been looking at too much online porn recently. When I first visited this forum section after an absence and saw your new violet avatar, honest-to-god, my first thought was, "Wow, she's colorized an anus! What a good job she did!"

 

[alice_underneath]

Sigh. People used to say that very same thing to me and mine, too, once upon a lifetime. Controversy cetainly disturbs a certain sort of personality, and the above is the response that they typically give to whomever they imagine to be the source of it. But to the politically (and radically) astute, agitprop is an extremely valuable tool: it polarizes positions, it causes the unwary and and the unclever (which is most people who post online, certainly, not to mention those you encounter elsewhere) to drop their thin veneers of proper politeness and, in the flurry-scurry of controversy, let out the true beast lurking just under the surface.

The value of this is that, for the few intelligent and thoughtful observers sitting on the fence (which is always the audience you're aiming to reach--although your opponents always mistakenly imagine you are trying to convert the masses, they think you're "one true way," and all that jizz), the irrationality and tenuousness of the opposing view and it's basis in prejudice, bias, and bitterness rather than fact become perfectly clear in a manner that would never have been possible if the matter of genuine attitudes and emotions were left in peaceful suspension. The great value of "stirring" sez the 'bird, is that the spinning process, if fast enough, separates and throws certain heavy clots to the bottom of your tube, making them visible for all who have eyes to see.

Stirbird,

It is clear to me that you and I view the TIH website from very different perspectives. I am not interested in revolutions, or counter-revolutions, or converting those who sit on the fence, or stirring things up.

On the handful of occasions on which I have visited that site, I have done so for one reason & one reason only: to look for ways to enrich my personal relationship with my Husband.

I have recommended the site to others, but always for the same reason: to help specific individuals enhance their personal relationships.

From this perspective, what makes the website valuable to me is not its ability to reveal the heavy clots at the bottom of the tube, but rather its ability to help specific individuals transform the dynamics of their relationships.

On an intellectual level, every person I know is intelligent enough to grasp the difference between being taken by force consensually, and actual rape. However, the word rape produces a strong and very negative visceral reaction in most people.

If your goal is to provoke or stir things up, a visceral reaction is obviously valuable. However, if your goal is to help your partner embrace a particular philosophy, perspective, or practice on a personal level, in my experience a strong, negative visceral reaction is rarely helpful.

As an added point, I would note that my sense of decency is offended by those who exploit the suffering of others to advance their own agenda. This is just my personal opinion, of course, but I consider the title "The Gift of Rape" to be grossly insensitive to the victims of that crime. Out of respect for their suffering, I believe that anyone discussing or writing about being consensually taken by force should pick a different word. Evil Geoff suggested ravishment, and that seems to me to be a good alternative.

Alice

 

[alice_underneath]

PS: Alice, I think I'm been looking at too much online porn recently. When I first visited this forum section after an absence and saw your new violet avatar, honest-to-god, my first thought was, "Wow, she's colorized an anus! What a good job she did!"

LOL!! Omigod, Stirbird, that really made me laugh!

Btw... it's actually a viola, not a violet. Very different plant.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

I am not interested in revolutions, or counter-revolutions, or converting those who sit on the fence, or stirring things up. As an added point, I would note that my sense of decency is offended by those who exploit the suffering of others to advance their own agenda.

Alice

 

[Blushing Bottom]

That would be right up there with take.

...anyone discussing or writing about being consensually taken by force should pick a different word. Evil Geoff suggested ravishment, and that seems to me to be a good alternative.

 

[Recidiva]

As to the word Rape, El Gallo has a song about it from "The Fantasticks"

6.RAPE SONG (IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU PAY)

Rape!
R-a-a-a-pe!
Raa-aa-aa-pe!

A pretty rape!
A literary rape!

We've the obvious open schoolboy rape,
With little mandolins and perhaps a cape.
The rape by coach; it's little in request.
The rape by day, but the rape by night is best.

Just try to see it.
And you will soon agree, senors,
Why
Invite regret,
When you can get the sort of rape
You'll never ever forget.

You can get the rape emphatic.
You can get the rape polite.
You can get the rape with Indians:
A very charming sight.
You can get the rape on horseback;
They'll all say it's new and gay.
So you see the sort of rape
Depends on what you pay.
It depends on what you
Pay.

The kids will love it.
It depends on what you pay!
So why be stingy?
It depends on what you --

The spectacular rape,
With costumes ordered from the East.
Requires rehearsal
And takes a dozen men at least.
A couple of singers,
And a string quartet.
A major production.
Requires a set.

Sounds expensive!

Just try to see it.
And you will soon si,si seсors,
Why
Invite regret,
When you can get the sort of rape
You'll never ever forget.

You can get the rape emphatic.
You can get the rape polite.
You can get the rape with Indians:
A very charming sight.
You can get the rape on horseback;
They'll all say it's new and gay.
So you see the sort of rape
Depends on what you pay.
It depends on what you
Pay.

So why be stingy?
It depends on what you pay!
The kids will love it.
It depends on what you --

The comic rape.
Perhaps it's just a trifle too unique.
Romantic rape:
Done while canoeing on a moonlit creek.
The gothic rape!
I play "Valkyrie" on a bass bassoon!
The drunken rape.
It's done completely in a cheap saloon.

The rape Venetian
Needs a blue lagoon.
The rape with moonlight
Or without a moon.
Moonlight is expensive but it's in demand.
The military rape:
It's done with drummer and a band.

You understand?
I understand.
It's very grand.
It's very grand.
It's done with drums and a great big brass band!
Yeah!

Just try to see it.
I see it!
I see it!
And you will soon si,si seсors,
Why
Invite regret,
When you can get the sort of rape
You'll never ever forget.

You can get the rape emphatic.
You can get the rape polite.
You can get the rape with Indians:
A very charming sight.
You can get the rape on horseback;
They'll all say it's new and gay.
So you see the sort of rape
Depends on what you pay.
So you see the sort of rape
Depends on what you pay.
So you see the sort of rape
Depends on what you pay.
So you see the sort of rape
Depends on what you pay.
Depends on what you pay.
Depends on what you pay.
Depends on what you pay.
Depends on what you pay.


So why be stingy?
It depends on what you pay!
The kids will love it.
It depends on what you

Ra-aa-aa-pe!
Ole!

 

[Mr. Mann]

"The Fantasticks" ! Wow. It has been along time since I thought about that play.

Not to quibble semantics, ... well, actually, yes, to quibble semantics since we ARE discussing semantics ("rape" vs. "ravishment")....


No slight intended to you at all Recidiva.

However, as an interesting bit of trivia.... the song from "The Fantasticks" was using the word "rape" in it's original meaning, which was to refer to an act of kidnapping. In it's context, the character was proposing the conduct of a fake kidnapping.