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Who is going to be reading with us this month?
I hope you can!
Who is reading along this month?
I don't think anyone is but me. Maybe I should change the selection?
Well, if you do you need to change it to something I have or can get through limewire.
You know me, I'm easy, tell me a book.
I'm going to pick up scandal today. Is that the book you meant?
Yeppers.
I just found out that a great book have just been translated into english:
The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. If you like a good thriller, I highly recommend this book!!! It's already out in the UK, and are going to be released in the US later this year.
Just discovered this thread today, and I suspect I'll be joining in on some of your reading and discussion, if that's still welcome?
In the meantime, I just finished re-reading "Claiming of Sleeping Beauty" -- having first read it more then ten years ago. I also invited someone else to read it (for the first time) along with me.
I haven't proposed the idea to her yet, but if she's interested & willing, would you mind revisiting some of that discussion from last August with us?
For me the book isn't about who did what to whom, etc. So it matters little to me whether Beauty was 15 years old or 115. (One can legitimately argue the latter, or even that it doesn't really matter when the story takes place in a feudal setting where young women were routinely betrothed/married at age 12.) Nor does it matter to me whether "perpetual erections" are possible or healthful or not, etc.
I was more interested in Rice's portrayal of Beauty's thought processes. And while they rarely went very deep, I thought a LOT of interesting questions (discussion fodder) were raised. I don't want to drag the group backwards if that's not where y'all want to go. For that reason I'll not yet enumerate some of the questions & discussion topics that occurred to me -- until I hear that y'all might be interested?
Of course you can join us at any time. You can also comment on any book at any time.
It sounds like the things I found difficult in the book, you did not mind.
I do like thought processes, particularly conflicted thought processes in subs detailed. I tend to concentrate on that in the things I write because to me, that's really hot, the conflict. However, as you noted, Rice didn't go very deep. Likely because she, herself didn't understand BDSM very well, much less what real motivations and conflicts one might actually have.
I see many writers that "play" with this exciting stuff but really miss the mark because they don't go deeper than the eye candy and fun aspects.
Thanks for the warm welcome!
Perhaps I should start with an introduction about myself, so that you know who's talking and where I'm coming from?
I'm a 48 year-old man for whom BDSM is *not* a lifestyle -- rather, I view it as an exquisite mental game that involves self-exploration, introspection and the ultimate "revelation" of oneself to ones partner. (There, I've probably offended some "lifestylers" already! ) Maybe I'm one of those "players" -- like the authors described in the post above. Or maybe I'm the ideal audience for authors who just scratch the surface?
I enjoy relating to a partner as equals; and I enjoy both sides of the D/S equation. In fact, I'm even a bit uncomfortable with the term "BDSM", because of how it lumps together so many things that I find quite distinct & separate. I enjoy dominant/submissive power-exchange games that play out solely in the realm of the sensual and sexual, without ever touching on issues of discipline, punishment or pain. And I think pain is worthy of exploration on the purely "sensory" level, even between equals, without muddying the waters with questions of dominance or submission. And though I'm not among them, there are plenty of people who get a charge from bondage alone, without discipline or pain. Together or separate, these "elements" are all of interest to me. It's all good. So maybe I'm a freak in that respect. But I'm insatiably curious, always after new sensations/experiences/emotions, and pretty happy with the voyage of discovery so far.
As for the book (The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty, since I'm *way* out of sequence/schedule here):
I won't try to summarize all my thoughts in a single post. It would not be fun to read; nor would it be conducive to discussion, I fear.
I know that this book was first published in 1983 under the pseudonym "A.N. Roquelaure". My copy of this book is a 1990 printing and has "Anne Rice writing as A.N. Roquelaure" on the cover. Not sure when she "came out" as the author. When I first read this book in 1992 or so, S&M was something that virtually no mainstream writer would touch. That in itself made this volume seem "Great!" and "Wonderful!". I don't claim to be a connoisseur of BDSM literature, either then or now, but this was the first piece I'd encountered from an author of whom I'd heard elsewhere, and which could be bought in a reasonably mainstream retailer. Maybe this accounts at least partially for the "inexplicably positive" reviews that some of you cited back in August?
The S&M literature of which I *was* aware at that point was comparatively sleazy, largely photographic rather than literary, and could only be had with a certain amount of stigma and shame from shops with no windows. This was the first overt *discussion* of the mindset and feelings I associated with BDSM -- i.e., that pleasure could be painful ("so good that it hurts"), or that pain could be pleasurable ("hurts so good").
Rice's treatment of these intermingled opposites was eye-opening for me, and was unprecedented in my experience at the time. She "walked the rope" between other opposites as well: consensual vs. non-consensual submission, punishment in anger or as discipline vs. punishment for pleasure or amusement, to name just a few. Maybe these thoughts seem shallow to those steeped more deeply in the lifestyle, but by dancing on this line she obliterated what had hitherto seemed an insurmountable abyss between extremes, and shown many of us "beginners" how these things are in truth hopelessly entangled.
That's probably enough for now. I think the "consent issue" probably deserves a post of its own.
Thoughts?