The BDSM Book Club Discussion Thread

Did you like the book overall or not?

Yes.

Do you feel it portrays BDSM in a real way, a positive way and/or your way?

No. It's totally and completely fantasy.

Did you like the sex scenes in the book?

Sorta. They were rather quick, and spent more time on the mechanics than the emotion, almost like male written erotica. To tell the truth I liked this a bit more the first time I read it. I guess I've gotten pickier about my erotica. LOL

Did you like the rest of the book, the story in it?

I liked the story and plot line - but I think A LOT more could have been done with it. It's like Jade Black got distracted by the sex, and forgot her plot line.

Would you be interested in reading another book by this author?

:eek: I think I've read everything she's written - but a good deal of it I wouldn't re-read. Like I said, I've gotten pickier.

What did you like best about this selection?

I love the story line. Like I said, she could have done a LOT more, and put more detail.

What did you like the least?

The story was too short.

How would you have changed the story?

See above.
 
Have y'all seen the Kick Ass cover art?

I love it!

I have those boots too!

LMAO!
 
This one?

'Scandal' by Amanda Quick

From Publishers Weekly
Under the Quick ( Surrender ) pseudonym, veteran romance novelist Jayne Ann Krentz (see review of Silver Linings below) offers a tale of Regency England that, while deftly handled with touches of humor, is more notable for its darker side: the hero and heroine rescue each other from past injuries while challenging each other for control within their relationship. Emily Faringdon, a 24-year-old spinster, adores a man she has never met: Simon Traherne, her favorite correspondent on her favorite subject, romantic poetry. When Simon attends a meeting of Emily's local literary society, he indeed seems to be "the man of her dreams," a handsome earl apparently willing to overlook the scandal in her past--a thwarted elopement. But Simon is interested in her mostly as an instrument for revenge: he blames Emily's father for his own father's ruin and suicide 23 years before. Since then, Simon has plotted to destroy the Faringdons. A romantic with a strong pragmatic streak,pk Emily persuades Simon that marrying her enhances his possibilities for gaining revenge and she pk then begins her own campaign to win his affection and free him from the past that has poisoned his life.
 
I just found out that a great book have just been translated into english:
The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo. If you like a good thriller, I highly recommend this book!!! It's already out in the UK, and are going to be released in the US later this year.
 
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Just discovered this thread today, and I suspect I'll be joining in on some of your reading and discussion, if that's still welcome?

In the meantime, I just finished re-reading "Claiming of Sleeping Beauty" -- having first read it more then ten years ago. I also invited someone else to read it (for the first time) along with me.

I haven't proposed the idea to her yet, but if she's interested & willing, would you mind revisiting some of that discussion from last August with us?

For me the book isn't about who did what to whom, etc. So it matters little to me whether Beauty was 15 years old or 115. (One can legitimately argue the latter, or even that it doesn't really matter when the story takes place in a feudal setting where young women were routinely betrothed/married at age 12.) Nor does it matter to me whether "perpetual erections" are possible or healthful or not, etc.

I was more interested in Rice's portrayal of Beauty's thought processes. And while they rarely went very deep, I thought a LOT of interesting questions (discussion fodder) were raised. I don't want to drag the group backwards if that's not where y'all want to go. For that reason I'll not yet enumerate some of the questions & discussion topics that occurred to me -- until I hear that y'all might be interested?
 
Just discovered this thread today, and I suspect I'll be joining in on some of your reading and discussion, if that's still welcome?

In the meantime, I just finished re-reading "Claiming of Sleeping Beauty" -- having first read it more then ten years ago. I also invited someone else to read it (for the first time) along with me.

I haven't proposed the idea to her yet, but if she's interested & willing, would you mind revisiting some of that discussion from last August with us?

For me the book isn't about who did what to whom, etc. So it matters little to me whether Beauty was 15 years old or 115. (One can legitimately argue the latter, or even that it doesn't really matter when the story takes place in a feudal setting where young women were routinely betrothed/married at age 12.) Nor does it matter to me whether "perpetual erections" are possible or healthful or not, etc.

I was more interested in Rice's portrayal of Beauty's thought processes. And while they rarely went very deep, I thought a LOT of interesting questions (discussion fodder) were raised. I don't want to drag the group backwards if that's not where y'all want to go. For that reason I'll not yet enumerate some of the questions & discussion topics that occurred to me -- until I hear that y'all might be interested?

Of course you can join us at any time. You can also comment on any book at any time.

It sounds like the things I found difficult in the book, you did not mind.

I do like thought processes, particularly conflicted thought processes in subs detailed. I tend to concentrate on that in the things I write because to me, that's really hot, the conflict. However, as you noted, Rice didn't go very deep. Likely because she, herself didn't understand BDSM very well, much less what real motivations and conflicts one might actually have.

I see many writers that "play" with this exciting stuff but really miss the mark because they don't go deeper than the eye candy and fun aspects.
 
Here are the nominations so far:

1.) Kushiel's Justice by Jacqueline Carey

Bestseller Carey's fifth book in her Kushiel's Legacy series, volume two of her Imriel fantasy trilogy (after 2006's Kushiel's Scion), is a moody tale of violence and divided loyalties. Phèdre nó Delaunay, the sexually adventurous heroine of the first trilogy, has become a placid foster mother to Prince Imriel, son of the unseen traitor Melisande Shahrizai.

Carey's infamous explicit sex scenes now portray Imriel's illicit and often violent affair with Sidonie, daughter of Queen Ysandre. Their romance is frustrated by Imriel's obligation to marry Dorelei, an Alban princess, and beget future rulers of Alba. When Dorelei and her unborn son are betrayed and Imriel is badly wounded, he finds himself torn between his vow to avenge his wife and child and his desire to seek solace in Sidonie's arms. His inner conflicts are ameliorated by religious faith, a change from previous books that may please some readers and dismay others. Imriel serves well as protagonist, however, and events are clearly building to what promises to be a spectacular climax in the sixth volume.

2.) Heir To The Shadows, by Anne Bishop, from The Black Jewels Trilogy which includes-- Heir to the shadows and Queen of the darkness.

In Heir to the Shadows, Jaenelle's vampiric, adoptive father, Saetan, and her foster-family of demons shelter her. To restore her memory and emotional balance, they move to Kaeleer, where Jaenelle befriends the kindred--animals with magical and communicative powers--and gathers a circle of young Queens. She also heals Lucivar, Daemon's half-brother, who offers a brother's love and a warrior's fealty. As she recovers strength and memory, Jaenelle resolves to restore Daemon and cleanse Terreille.

3.)The Challenge (Mass Market Paperback) by Susan Kearney

She was shot protecting the president, and woke up naked, in the arms of a hunk....A hunk named Kahn, who told Secret Service agent Tessa Camen an outlandish story about traveling through time, saving the world, and a Challenge only she can accept. Kahn offers her proof she can't refute: Tessa has been brought forward through time to save Earth by winning an intergalactic challenge. Kahn only has a few weeks to train Tessa to use the psi-abilities he insists she has. He is confident in the success of a time-honored method that uses sexual frustration to bring out her powers, but Tessa is dubious. She's a martial arts expert and can fight her way through anything, but she's never had much luck with emotions.Luckily for Earth, Kahn can be very convincing....

4.) Naughty Fairy Tales from A to Z edited by Alison Tyler. Described as "a hot twist on fairy tales." Several erotic writers took well known fairy tales and turned them into erotic works of art. In this book, Cinderella is a Dominatrix and Zoe White lives with seven whores. These are the cutest erotic stories I've ever read and there's one for each letter of the alphabet.

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...52285552&itm=7

Starting with "All McQueen's Men" and ending with "Zoe White and the Seven Whores," these twenty-six tales give new meaning to the expression "bedtime stories." Wicked stepsisters tell how they really earned their reputation. The Ugly Duckling seduces her high school crush at her ten-year reunion. Cinderella is a dominatrix -- until midnight. And Goldilocks tries out many things before finding what feels "just right." Clever, flirtatious, and always naughty, these titillating tales will leave you lusting for more.

5.) Topping From Below by Laura Reese.

The title of this devilishly pornographic?albeit literate?novel is taken from the argot of sadomasochism and refers to a rebellious dynamic in which the dominant partner (the "top") is subtly manipulated by the submissive partner (the "bottom"). After her young sister, Franny, is found murdered?bound, gagged and mutilated?Nora Tibbs, a journalist for the Sacramento Bee, discovers in Franny's computer a diary that details her brief affair with "M.," an arrogant music professor in his late 40s. Cruelly exploiting the overweight, love-starved woman, M. forced Franny to submit to a humiliating gamut of outre sexual practices. Convinced that M. is Franny's murderer, Nora sets out to prove his guilt by pretending to submit to his depraved aberrations. But, to her astonishment, she discovers a dark, pagan side of herself when M. enthralls her with intense, if perilous, sexual pleasure. Graphic descriptions of exotic sexual practices (bondage and discipline, sadomasochism, bestiality, etc.) accumulate, counterpointed by Nora's sweetly romantic relationship with a fellow reporter. The suspense, a bit attenuated by thin secondary characters, also is muted by artless foreshadowing, but the conclusion is satisfying in a savage sort of way and Nora's plunge "down, all the way down" under M.'s manipulations will keep most readers gripped even as they're aware that Reese's shameless pandering is manipulating them in turn. Comparison to Story of O is well earned. 100,000 first printing; Literary Guild and Doubleday Recommended for adult fiction collections.

6.) Mona Lisa Awakening (Monere: Children of the Moon, Book 1) by Sunny.

http://www.amazon.com/Mona-Lisa-Awak.../dp/0425211606


Lisa is an ER nurse who knows that she is different from everyone around her. She has the ability sense a persons pain. This has never been a problem until one night her life changes when an injured man arrives with a wound and for some reason this pale yet handsome man draws her like no other. What is his pull on her?

She goes to help Gryphon and her eyes and sensual self are awakened. He tells her she is different because she is part Monère a group of humanoids that came thousands of years ago from the moon and if that's not enough she is one of their Queens. They are children of the moon and Gryphon is running from a queen who has poisoned him. He is willing to help Lisa learn of her past so she can focus on her future. This trip to self awareness is going to challenge everything she thought she ever knew about herself.

This was an amazing read. Both creative and sensual. A true feast for the readers delight. Gryphon and Lisa as well as the rest of cast of this book are truly entertaining. Readers need to remember that this is a fantasy romance and therefore they need to suspend their beliefs. I eagerly look forward to Sunny's next effort and until it's available I highly recommend "Mona Lisa's Awakening."

7. Top of Her Game by Emma Holly

Style and sensuality. Power and passion...There's something about the Parisian boutique Meilleurs Amis that provokes all who enter to blur the line between business and pleasure. No one knows this better than Beatrix Clouet, the daughter of its infamous and not-so-dearly departed founder, and her best friend-and new management trainee-Lela Turner.

Now, as they try to get their professional and personal lives on track, these best friends will have to weigh the price of love and lust-while making their wildest fantasies come to life... --This text refers to the Paperback edition.

8.) One Dark Night by Jaid Black.

Finally! A Jaid Black book with a meaningful plot! I was actually engrossed in the mystery of this little who-done-it and not just in the sex scenes. Reading many of Jaid's other stories is a cross between the story line of a cheap porno and the sickeningly sweet endings of a childhood fairy tale. But not this book! Amazing! I hope she keeps it up!

9.) Gordon by Edith Templeton.

Originally written under a pseudonym, this thrilling novel of passion in post-World War II London was banned upon its publication in the late 1960s, and is only now being republished under the author’s real name. Edith Templeton creates an indelible character in the smartly dressed Louisa, a savvy young woman in the midst of a divorce who meets a charismatic man in a pub and within an hour has been sexually conquered by him on a garden bench. Thus begins her baffling but magnetic love affair with, and virtual enslavement to, Richard Gordon.

10.) Slave Trade (Mass Market Paperback) by Susan Wright

Human slaves can never defy their alien masters -- or can they?

Rose Rico never believed the rumors, that the government was secretly selling human beings to the Alphas in exchange for advanced alien technology. The idea that human sex slaves were a luxury item throughout the galaxy was just too ridiculous to take seriously -- until Rose found herself, along with hundreds of other human captives, bound for the far reaches of space, and compelled to cater to the depraved desires of her new alien masters.

As a rule, pleasure slaves don't live very long, especially the stubborn ones. But Rose refuses to give up. Someday, somehow, she'll win back her freedom -- or die trying!

The beginning of a provocative new saga of slavery and rebellion.

11) The Dark Garden by Eden Bradley
A deliciously potent tale of one woman’s quest for self-discovery

Rowan Cassidy likes to be in charge—especially in her personal life. As a mistress at Club Privé, the most exclusive bondage/S & M club on the West Coast, Rowan can live out her dominant fantasies safely, and with complete control—until the night Christian Thorne walks in. Self-confident and sophisticated, he’s a natural dominant if Rowan’s ever seen one. Yet she can’t stop thinking about him and imagining his touch.

Christian has returned home, hoping to break free from his dissatisfaction and malaise—and discovers the cure in Rowan. He’s dying to get his skilled hands on her and watch her surrender, to unlock the mystery of her that captivates him. Determined to be her master, he makes Rowan a daring proposition: give herself over to him for thirty days.

Rowan finds Christian’s offer terrifying—and impossible to resist. But abandoning herself to Christian’s power might be more than she can handle…. Or it might be the realization of her true nature and the dark garden within her. There will be only one way to find out. And once the game has begun, there’s no turning back.

12.) Warrior's Woman by Johanna Lindsey.

Book Description:In the year 2139, fearless Tedra De Arr sets out to rescue her beleaguered planet Kystran from the savage rule of the evil Crad Ce Moerr. Experienced in combat but not in love, the beautiful, untouched Amazon flies with Martha, her wise-cracking, free-thinking computer, to a world where warriors reigns supreme--and into the arms of the one man she can never hope to vanquish: the bronzed barbarian Challen Ly-San-Ter. A magnificent creature of raw yet disciplined desires, the muscle-bound primitive succeeds where no puny Kystran male had before--igniting a raging fire within Tedra that must be extinguished before she can even think of saving her enslaved world. . .

13. Submission: A Novel by Marthe Blau

Description: You'll want to scream, but you'll be gagged. You'll want to cry, but you'll be blindfolded. You'll want to run away, but you'll be tied up. You'll have no way of begging me, I'll do what I want with you.

Now American readers can be riveted by the controversial novel that, according to The Sunday Times (London), "sent tremours through the French establishment." Sexual obsession, domination, and extreme desire drive the story of Elodie, a young married Parisian lawyer who finds herself swept up in a cycle of sadomasochistic lust.

A handsome stranger she meets in court issues her a series of instructions that she feels compelled to follow. He introduces her to sex clubs hidden in dark alleys, toys that enhance physical pleasure as well as pain, and couples whose appetites are as voracious as his. What at first seems out of character for Élodie quickly begins to shape her self-identity. As the violence of their encounters escalates, these acts become a dangerous addiction she can't break. But how far can she go and how much of her life will she risk in the process?

Based on the author's own experience, this sophisticated and captivating novel exudes the sensuality that only the French know how to deliver.

14. Slaves of the Empire by Aaron Travis.
Steven Saylor in disguise, his hot porn still includes marvelous details of Rome at its dirtiest, wealthiest, and most kinky.

15. Two Moons: Worthy of a Master Book One (Paperback) by Chelsea Shepard

On Earth, MeganÂ’s sex life was never satisfying. But when she allows herself to be abducted by visitors from a planet where sadomasochism is regarded as a healthy social activity, she wonders if she got more than she bargained for.

MeganÂ’s adjustment to the erotically liberated Khyrians becomes even more difficult when she falls for one of the starshipÂ’s pilots, a professional Master with a troubled past. Struggling with fears and doubts, but spurred by her overwhelming passion, Megan will do whatever it takes to earn his love.

Two Moons: Worthy of a Master is a dazzling delight for fans of romantic bondage. With deftly rendered characters, captivating scenarios and surprising twists, Chelsea Shepard charts the course of a woman challenged by her deepest desires, a journey that will take her literally out of this world!


16. Carrie's Story: An Erotic S/M Novel (Paperback) by Molly Weatherfield

At the outset, I should say that once you have read Carrie's Story you will probably want to read the sequel "Safe Word". This book is outstanding as an exploration of BDSM. Told from the submissive's viewpoint (ie as a first person narrative) it affords us a marvellous insight into the mind of someone who would place themselves at the mercy of another person, fully understanding of the pain and suffering that might result. But of course it also provides the answering motivation, the intensity of experience, the absolution from decision, the pleasure obtained from subordinating one's own desires to those of another.

It is the self-critical (what other reviewers have termed sassy) self-awareness of the central character that carries throughout this novel that makes it so special. This is delivered in a light-hearted, but brutally honest manner.

No question it is highly erotic. But there are many other novels that achieve that. This one transcends the mere erotic and captivates the reader. The author generates a tension that draws the reader on and enfolds you in the story. I have not found that in an erotic novel since reading The Story Of O - and I can give Carrie's Story no better praise than that comparison.

17. The Marketplace (The Marketplace Series, 1) by Laura Antoniou

The Marketplace series by Laura Antoniou is erotic literature of the highest quality and it will encapture your mind and heart as well as turn you on. This reissue is very welcomed and the new short story at the end covers a gap between this and the second book of the series, "The Slave" very well -- this short story alone is worth the cost of the book for any Marketplace fan. You'll meet all the important and reoccurring characters from Antoniou's series; you'll develop strong opinions about each too that may surprise some of you. This isn't soft and romantic BDSM though so if you can't handle DS without limits, serious punishment, and even sexual use to the extreme, you'll want to skip this series. It appeals across the board to all seuxal orientaions within the BDSM category -- in fact it plays around with the orientations in wonderfully engaging ways. I highly recommend this book.

18. Breaking the Girl by Kim Corum

See what all the fuss is about. "I wasn't a slave. I was a willing participant." "His name was Frank. Just Frank. His last name really doesn't matter. It was Smith or Jones or Gallagher or... Hell. Just pick one. They're really all the same. I didn't know that much about him." "Maybe Frank classified me as a whore." "I stopped talking, begging, pleading. Plotting. I wasn't going to win him over. It was his way or no way. And I knew that. So it was his way." "I just wasn't that kind of tie me up, tie me down, beat me, switch me, hold me tight, love me forever' kind of girl. Frank was that kind of guy. Which made me that kind of girl." "And when it was over, we fell away from each other gasping for air." ".he brought the money-in fifties and hundreds-to me, delivering it in a bank bag. Delivering it to me with a big smile on his face, as if he were happy to deliver it, glad he could accommodate me. Who was the real slave here?" Breaking the Girl-a story of white hot sex and submission.


19. The Love Slave by Bertrice Small

From the classic Skye O'Malley series to Love, Remember Me, Bertrice Small's enchanting, exotic, and erotic tales have won her a multitude of fans. Her latest passionate adventure tells the tale of a fiery Celtic beauty and an Arabian master of erotic arts.

20.The Darker Side of Pleasure by Eden Bradley.

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Garden-Ed...sn_rs_edpp_url

A deliciously potent tale of one woman’s quest for self-discovery

Rowan Cassidy likes to be in charge—especially in her personal life. As a mistress at Club Privé, the most exclusive bondage/S & M club on the West Coast, Rowan can live out her dominant fantasies safely, and with complete control—until the night Christian Thorne walks in. Self-confident and sophisticated, he’s a natural dominant if Rowan’s ever seen one. Yet she can’t stop thinking about him and imagining his touch.

Christian has returned home, hoping to break free from his dissatisfaction and malaise—and discovers the cure in Rowan. He’s dying to get his skilled hands on her and watch her surrender, to unlock the mystery of her that captivates him. Determined to be her master, he makes Rowan a daring proposition: give herself over to him for thirty days.

Rowan finds Christian’s offer terrifying—and impossible to resist. But abandoning herself to Christian’s power might be more than she can handle…. Or it might be the realization of her true nature and the dark garden within her. There will be only one way to find out. And once the game has begun, there’s no turning back.

21.)The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo by Steig Larsson

This has been a huge bestseller all of Europe and for good reason. It is a crime novel which combines a great plot with really powerful themes such as intolerance and corporate corruption. I'm really looking forward to the next two books in the trilogy.

Online Stories:

22.) Tales From Subspace by NIGHTQUEEN1963. http://english.literotica.com/stori...ry.php?id=84817

In addition I have another book thread for reads that do not have to do with BDSM. It's called reading books for pleasure and it is here:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=410377

Any book you consider to have been pleasurable, and somewhat BDSM please share!

Selection of the February 2008's novel will be announced on or before Thursday January 31, 2008. There is still time to make nominations!

The discussion of the January 2008 selection(s), 'Scandal' by Amanda Quick and/or Kick Ass by by Maggie Shayne, MaryJanice Davidson, Angela Knight, and Jacey Ford may begin at midnight your time January 31, 2008. If no one read the second book listed we can read it another time. I'll hold my comments. I read both.
 
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Of course you can join us at any time. You can also comment on any book at any time.

It sounds like the things I found difficult in the book, you did not mind.

I do like thought processes, particularly conflicted thought processes in subs detailed. I tend to concentrate on that in the things I write because to me, that's really hot, the conflict. However, as you noted, Rice didn't go very deep. Likely because she, herself didn't understand BDSM very well, much less what real motivations and conflicts one might actually have.

I see many writers that "play" with this exciting stuff but really miss the mark because they don't go deeper than the eye candy and fun aspects.

Thanks for the warm welcome!

Perhaps I should start with an introduction about myself, so that you know who's talking and where I'm coming from?

I'm a 48 year-old man for whom BDSM is *not* a lifestyle -- rather, I view it as an exquisite mental game that involves self-exploration, introspection and the ultimate "revelation" of oneself to ones partner. (There, I've probably offended some "lifestylers" already! ;)) Maybe I'm one of those "players" -- like the authors described in the post above. Or maybe I'm the ideal audience for authors who just scratch the surface?

I enjoy relating to a partner as equals; and I enjoy both sides of the D/S equation. In fact, I'm even a bit uncomfortable with the term "BDSM", because of how it lumps together so many things that I find quite distinct & separate. I enjoy dominant/submissive power-exchange games that play out solely in the realm of the sensual and sexual, without ever touching on issues of discipline, punishment or pain. And I think pain is worthy of exploration on the purely "sensory" level, even between equals, without muddying the waters with questions of dominance or submission. And though I'm not among them, there are plenty of people who get a charge from bondage alone, without discipline or pain. Together or separate, these "elements" are all of interest to me. It's all good. So maybe I'm a freak in that respect. But I'm insatiably curious, always after new sensations/experiences/emotions, and pretty happy with the voyage of discovery so far.

As for the book (The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty, since I'm *way* out of sequence/schedule here):

I won't try to summarize all my thoughts in a single post. It would not be fun to read; nor would it be conducive to discussion, I fear.

I know that this book was first published in 1983 under the pseudonym "A.N. Roquelaure". My copy of this book is a 1990 printing and has "Anne Rice writing as A.N. Roquelaure" on the cover. Not sure when she "came out" as the author. When I first read this book in 1992 or so, S&M was something that virtually no mainstream writer would touch. That in itself made this volume seem "Great!" and "Wonderful!". I don't claim to be a connoisseur of BDSM literature, either then or now, but this was the first piece I'd encountered from an author of whom I'd heard elsewhere, and which could be bought in a reasonably mainstream retailer. Maybe this accounts at least partially for the "inexplicably positive" reviews that some of you cited back in August?

The S&M literature of which I *was* aware at that point was comparatively sleazy, largely photographic rather than literary, and could only be had with a certain amount of stigma and shame from shops with no windows. This was the first overt *discussion* of the mindset and feelings I associated with BDSM -- i.e., that pleasure could be painful ("so good that it hurts"), or that pain could be pleasurable ("hurts so good").

Rice's treatment of these intermingled opposites was eye-opening for me, and was unprecedented in my experience at the time. She "walked the rope" between other opposites as well: consensual vs. non-consensual submission, punishment in anger or as discipline vs. punishment for pleasure or amusement, to name just a few. Maybe these thoughts seem shallow to those steeped more deeply in the lifestyle, but by dancing on this line she obliterated what had hitherto seemed an insurmountable abyss between extremes, and shown many of us "beginners" how these things are in truth hopelessly entangled.

That's probably enough for now. I think the "consent issue" probably deserves a post of its own.

Thoughts?
 
Thanks for the warm welcome!

Perhaps I should start with an introduction about myself, so that you know who's talking and where I'm coming from?

I'm a 48 year-old man for whom BDSM is *not* a lifestyle -- rather, I view it as an exquisite mental game that involves self-exploration, introspection and the ultimate "revelation" of oneself to ones partner. (There, I've probably offended some "lifestylers" already! ;)) Maybe I'm one of those "players" -- like the authors described in the post above. Or maybe I'm the ideal audience for authors who just scratch the surface?

I enjoy relating to a partner as equals; and I enjoy both sides of the D/S equation. In fact, I'm even a bit uncomfortable with the term "BDSM", because of how it lumps together so many things that I find quite distinct & separate. I enjoy dominant/submissive power-exchange games that play out solely in the realm of the sensual and sexual, without ever touching on issues of discipline, punishment or pain. And I think pain is worthy of exploration on the purely "sensory" level, even between equals, without muddying the waters with questions of dominance or submission. And though I'm not among them, there are plenty of people who get a charge from bondage alone, without discipline or pain. Together or separate, these "elements" are all of interest to me. It's all good. So maybe I'm a freak in that respect. But I'm insatiably curious, always after new sensations/experiences/emotions, and pretty happy with the voyage of discovery so far.

As for the book (The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty, since I'm *way* out of sequence/schedule here):

I won't try to summarize all my thoughts in a single post. It would not be fun to read; nor would it be conducive to discussion, I fear.

I know that this book was first published in 1983 under the pseudonym "A.N. Roquelaure". My copy of this book is a 1990 printing and has "Anne Rice writing as A.N. Roquelaure" on the cover. Not sure when she "came out" as the author. When I first read this book in 1992 or so, S&M was something that virtually no mainstream writer would touch. That in itself made this volume seem "Great!" and "Wonderful!". I don't claim to be a connoisseur of BDSM literature, either then or now, but this was the first piece I'd encountered from an author of whom I'd heard elsewhere, and which could be bought in a reasonably mainstream retailer. Maybe this accounts at least partially for the "inexplicably positive" reviews that some of you cited back in August?

The S&M literature of which I *was* aware at that point was comparatively sleazy, largely photographic rather than literary, and could only be had with a certain amount of stigma and shame from shops with no windows. This was the first overt *discussion* of the mindset and feelings I associated with BDSM -- i.e., that pleasure could be painful ("so good that it hurts"), or that pain could be pleasurable ("hurts so good").

Rice's treatment of these intermingled opposites was eye-opening for me, and was unprecedented in my experience at the time. She "walked the rope" between other opposites as well: consensual vs. non-consensual submission, punishment in anger or as discipline vs. punishment for pleasure or amusement, to name just a few. Maybe these thoughts seem shallow to those steeped more deeply in the lifestyle, but by dancing on this line she obliterated what had hitherto seemed an insurmountable abyss between extremes, and shown many of us "beginners" how these things are in truth hopelessly entangled.

That's probably enough for now. I think the "consent issue" probably deserves a post of its own.

Thoughts?

Well, to begin with, I'm not offended at all. You should know I never try to offend in discussions. If I happen to seem that way it is not my intent.

I'm far from a "life styler" myself though I often wish I were. My situation is that I'm happily married to a man who is somewhat kinky but not at all into BDSM. We've dabbled. I've explored as much as I can alone, with him, online, and at local groups.

Previously I was in a non consenting relationship. Consent is paramount to me. Equal partnership is a very important thing to me. I do believe that many here would call their relationships equal partnerships but that each would mean something different when they said it.

Of course there are also many would would be loud and proud that their relationships were in fact, not at all equal. Happily, we can all try to enjoy whichever point of view and/or type of relationship we hammer out with our SO without worrying if others approve here at Lit. We can be tolerant of what others do even if we would not do the exact same thing. Some will pick and nit about things. There are even trolls here but that's the internet.

I can see that the book might have had a much more positive reception with me back in that time period that you describe. It might have been eye opening in a good way. My ex loved the series. I bought them for him. I never read them back then because of the circumstances. He never asked me to. He liked having his "secrets" and refusing to share them with me.

I only started reading anything about BDSM, shortly before joining here. I began to explore it as Power Exchange. I had recently found out it turned me on. This surprised me a very great deal.

I only started reading novels specifically themed on BDSM at or shortly before the time I started this thread. I'm no expert. However, after books such as Kushiel's Dart, and a few others, I found Sleeping Beauty to be somewhat of a disappointment and irritating work. Overall, I've found the genre to be disappointing.

I've much enjoyed other books by Ann Rice. I think I preferred Exit to Eden much better. It was a long time ago that I read it though. At that time I considered myself to be a bit of a sick, yet still vanilla puppy.

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