The Bias of the Mainstream Bias

[JoePepsiCo]

You might be surprised to learn that Gallup polls Americans annually as to whether they consider themselves conservatives, liberals or moderates for decades. The results roughly show on average that the conservatives and moderates represent 40% each and only 20% identify themselves as liberals. This probably accounts for the disparity in current polls show that Trump and Harris are roughly tied in preference, but Trump has a double digit lead on the issues of the economy and immigration. See: https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx

It also goes to the use of language by the "political."

They pollute labels, so today's Liberal is yesterday's Progressive, the Socialist of yesteryear.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

More bias than bias,
More bias than bias,
More bias than bias...,
White Biden

 

[Bray123]

Nobody whines more than a MAGAT snowflake.

Mostly about stuff they have been doing or benefitting from themselves for years.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Nobody seems to set up straw men better than thou...

 

[Bray123]

https://imgur.com/desUv1c

 

[adrina]

You might be surprised to learn that Gallup polls Americans annually as to whether they consider themselves conservatives, liberals or moderates for decades. The results roughly show on average that the conservatives and moderates represent 40% each and only 20% identify themselves as liberals. This probably accounts for the disparity in current polls show that Trump and Harris are roughly tied in preference, but Trump has a double digit lead on the issues of the economy and immigration. See: https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx

What they label themselves and what they believe are at odds.

The majority of Americans want increased taxes on the wealthy.
The majority of Americans think corporations pay too little in taxes.
The majority of Americans support legal abortion, Roe.
The majority of Americans support action on climate change.
The majority of Americans support renewable energy sources.
The majority of Americans want some kind of socialized medicine.
The majority of Americans oppose the privatization of social security.
The majority of Americans oppose the repeal of the ACA.
The majority of Americans want religion out of politics.

All of these are well over a simple majority, most of them are 60%+ and above.

This is just a small sampling of liberal beliefs that the majority of Americans support. The reality is that the label they choose does not correlate with their beliefs.

 

[Bn2f]

You might be surprised to learn that Gallup polls Americans annually as to whether they consider themselves conservatives, liberals or moderates for decades. The results roughly show on average that the conservatives and moderates represent 40% each and only 20% identify themselves as liberals. This probably accounts for the disparity in current polls show that Trump and Harris are roughly tied in preference, but Trump has a double digit lead on the issues of the economy and immigration. See: https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx

Lol. I respect your bias in ignoring my pointed criticism/questions to you.

 

[Bodington]

What they label themselves and what they believe are at odds.

The majority of Americans want increased taxes on the wealthy.
The majority of Americans think corporations pay too little in taxes.
The majority of Americans support legal abortion, Roe.
The majority of Americans support action on climate change.
The majority of Americans support renewable energy sources.
The majority of Americans want some kind of socialized medicine.
The majority of Americans oppose the privatization of social security.
The majority of Americans oppose the repeal of the ACA.
The majority of Americans want religion out of politics.

All of these are well over a simple majority, most of them are 60%+ and above.

This is just a small sampling of liberal beliefs that the majority of Americans support. The reality is that the label they choose does not correlate with their beliefs.

I think you don’t understand why when polled the vast majority of Americans would say they are either conservative or moderate as opposed to admitting they are liberal. It’s not because all liberal ideas are bad but it’s because liberals won’t be satisfied when they have achieved their initial successes. They keep pushing the envelope until what they demand becomes intolerable. Take your first example that most people support the premise that the wealthy should pay more in taxes. I would suggest that probably no one is opposed to that idea. However, in actuality the wealthy do pay more in taxes. The debate nowadays always centers on how much more should the wealthy pay.

The most extreme example was illustrated by the candidacy of George McGovern in 1972 who had been the most liberal left wing major party Presidential candidate until Kamala Harris. During his campaign, he suggested that an income of $200,000 (today that would be about $1.5 million) was sufficient to live comfortably. Therefore any income beyond $200,000 would be taxed at 100%. McGovern was surprised to discover that the greatest opposition to his proposal was met by people who could not have possibly be affected by his proposal. He didn’t understand the mentality and the hope of the American dream. The average American’s thinking goes: ‘Yeah maybe I won’t ever make $200K (today 1.5 million) but if I ever do I sure as hell don’t want the government to take away the extra money I would have earned.

 

[LLCox]

Check out the liberal media coverage of the childcare tax credit Harris stole from Vance.

Except Harris might actually do it.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I think you don’t understand why when polled the vast majority of Americans would say they are either conservative or moderate as opposed to admitting they are liberal. It’s not because all liberal ideas are bad but it’s because liberals won’t be satisfied when they have achieved their initial successes. They keep pushing the envelope until what they demand becomes intolerable. Take your first example that most people support the premise that the wealthy should pay more in taxes. I would suggest that probably no one is opposed to that idea. However, in actuality the wealthy do pay more in taxes. The debate nowadays always centers on how much more should the wealthy pay.

The most extreme example was illustrated by the candidacy of George McGovern in 1972 who had been the most liberal left wing major party Presidential candidate until Kamala Harris. During his campaign, he suggested that an income of $200,000 (today that would be about $1.5 million) was sufficient to live comfortably. Therefore any income beyond $200,000 would be taxed at 100%. McGovern was surprised to discover that the greatest opposition to his proposal was met by people who could not have possibly be affected by his proposal. He didn’t understand the mentality and the hope of the American dream. The average American’s thinking goes: ‘Yeah maybe I won’t ever make $200K (today 1.5 million) but if I ever do I sure as hell don’t want the government to take away the extra money I would have earned.

I want the top marginal tax rate to be 95%, but I'd be willing to compromise by setting it back to Ronald Reagan's rate of 50%

 

[adrina]

I think you don’t understand why when polled the vast majority of Americans would say they are either conservative or moderate as opposed to admitting they are liberal. It’s not because all liberal ideas are bad but it’s because liberals won’t be satisfied when they have achieved their initial successes. They keep pushing the envelope until what they demand becomes intolerable.

Please expand on this idea when it comes to banning abortion and reversing Roe. Also, with taxes for the wealthy and corporations. They are at the lowest level they have been in a century. First Reagan, then Bush, then Trump. The last round adding $8T to the debt. And deregulation culminating in the reversal of Chevron. These are all conservative ideologies that were pursued to the point of extremism and being rejected.

Just those to start for now will do. There are more examples - many, many more. But if you are going to be honest then you are going to have to account for those things especially.

Further, what issues have liberals pushed to the point of people not wanting to admit they are liberal?

Lastly, on this issue, do you acknowledge that liberals have been demonized by conservatives and that demonization has often been based on hyperbole? (ie Obama's birth certificate, HRC's servers turned into "Lock Her Up!", Fox/OAN et al lying about the validity of the 2020 election etc.)

Take your first example that most people support the premise that the wealthy should pay more in taxes. I would suggest that probably no one is opposed to that idea. However, in actuality the wealthy do pay more in taxes. The debate nowadays always centers on how much more should the wealthy pay.

Corporate tax rates are just about as low as they have ever been. Same with the wealthy. At this point if we lower their taxes much more we'll be paying to be blessed by their presence. And in some instances, already are. Between corporations having such a low effective tax rates, various available subsidies and city/county/state tax breaks we are actually paying some corporations and not taxing them at all.

They need to pay more. They are taking home record profits, not reinvesting in America or the American worker. They're getting a free ride off the back of American taxpayers and workers. Honestly, I'd be thrilled with bringing the tax rates back to the Reagan era.

Historically now we have lowered their tax rates to a point that is no longer healthy or sustainable. Why do you not think they don't pay enough?

The most extreme example was illustrated by the candidacy of George McGovern in 1972 who had been the most liberal left wing major party Presidential candidate until Kamala Harris. During his campaign, he suggested that an income of $200,000 (today that would be about $1.5 million) was sufficient to live comfortably. Therefore any income beyond $200,000 would be taxed at 100%. McGovern was surprised to discover that the greatest opposition to his proposal was met by people who could not have possibly be affected by his proposal. He didn’t understand the mentality and the hope of the American dream. The average American’s thinking goes: ‘Yeah maybe I won’t ever make $200K (today 1.5 million) but if I ever do I sure as hell don’t want the government to take away the extra money I would have earned.

Right now the effective tax rate is 21%, but they actually pay far less than that. Again, while taking home record profits, making stock buybacks and choosing their profits over the well being of the country they reside in and the American workers they employ.

You list an extreme example from over 50 years ago. Kamala Harris' plan doesn't even restore it to pre-Trump levels. Again, this is the hyperbole I encounter so often when people are arguing against liberals and liberal ideology.

Whether you like to admit it or not, America was strongest when the rich and the corporations paid a higher rate. Even higher than what Harris is proposing.

 

[jhenry922]

The sorry state of the American mainstream media was never more exposed than the following clip wherein Kaitlan Collins, a CNN anchor, appeared before Stephen Colbert’s the “Late Show”. After finishing a prolonged diatribe disparaging President Trump, Colbert responded without irony, "I know you guys are objective over there, that you just report the news as it is."

At this point the studio audience broke out in uproarious laughter. Collins looked genuinely flabbergasted, as she asked "Is that supposed to be a laugh line?"

Colbert replied, "It wasn't supposed to be, "but I guess it is."

Bear in mind that this show was taped in New York City, and the majority if not all of the audience consisted of Harris voters. And yet they recognized the hypocritical sophistry of Colbert’s assertion that CNN and for that matter all of mainstream media are unbiased and objective.

To state the obvious: the reason freedom of the press is guaranteed by the Constitution is the belief that the press would be the safeguard against excess or overreach by the government. Such protection is lost if the press collectively favors exclusively one party over the other. The mainstream media has become no better than a Democratic Party newsletter.

See: https://www.thewrap.com/kaitlan-collins-audience-laughs-stephen-colbert-cnn-objective/

Considering that Trump was the Golden Boy of the New York business and entrepreneurial scene, I think people there got a pretty fair idea of what he was really like. Considering how many businesses he drove into bankruptcy, how many little people he stepped all over on his way to be coming the big businessman that he supposed to have been. I would tried to Railroad the New York justice system into wrongly convicting the Central Park 5 and then taking out full page ads about how they should be executed. I think those people had a pretty good idea of what Trump really is

 

[Chernosoth]

First they stopped doing investigative journalism to cut costs, and then they stopped questioning what the government told them to say. There's not much reason left for them to still exist as the audience moves on to other sources.

 

[SmokingFap]

You might be surprised to learn that Gallup polls Americans annually as to whether they consider themselves conservatives, liberals or moderates for decades. The results roughly show on average that the conservatives and moderates represent 40% each and only 20% identify themselves as liberals. This probably accounts for the disparity in current polls show that Trump and Harris are roughly tied in preference, but Trump has a double digit lead on the issues of the economy and immigration. See: https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx

I would posit that it skews those poll results to have people self identify. I think if you took a similar random sample and asked questions to find out how much each person agrees or disagrees on various political issues (I support abortion access or I support universal healthcare or I believe climate change is a real and concerning issue), I would bet that the majority of those who identify as moderate would lean towards what we define as a liberal ideology. It's too easy to just claim to be moderate. It's like saying you're of medium height and weight without stating your height or weight.

 

[SmokingFap]

What they label themselves and what they believe are at odds.

The majority of Americans want increased taxes on the wealthy.
The majority of Americans think corporations pay too little in taxes.
The majority of Americans support legal abortion, Roe.
The majority of Americans support action on climate change.
The majority of Americans support renewable energy sources.
The majority of Americans want some kind of socialized medicine.
The majority of Americans oppose the privatization of social security.
The majority of Americans oppose the repeal of the ACA.
The majority of Americans want religion out of politics.

All of these are well over a simple majority, most of them are 60%+ and above.

This is just a small sampling of liberal beliefs that the majority of Americans support. The reality is that the label they choose does not correlate with their beliefs.

I should have gone back and read through more of these posts before I made my response. But you made my point perfectly.