The Coming Realignment: Cities, Class and Ideology After Social Conservatism

[BotanyBoy]

Wow, you really are an idiot.

Social conservatism is the future. Economic conservatism is dying.

BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no it's not...both are dying. You're days of inprisoning people for drugs, sex and rock n' roll/gangsta rap are fucking over. They don't even bleep out "God damn" anymore.

You've lost

And BTW, there will ALWAYS be more social conservatives than homosexuals.

True....and that doesn't mean fuck all in these United States, because here everyone is to be treated equally under the law as per the highest law in the land....suck on it long and hard.

There are more people born with a socially conservative orientation/personality than homosexual orientation. How does that make you folks feel?

No there are not.....zero people are born with a socially conservative orientation, they are indoctrinated into it, most likely by their parents...and even those are leaving the party of hypocrisy.

No fear. Chicago and Illinois will stay liberal and broke.

SF and NY will stay liberal and always have more money as a liburhul city than any conservative state would ever dream of having flow through it's borders. Except TX...all the other red states? They don't have any fucking money....bunch of poor white trash.

 

[renard_ruse]

The article's basic premise is flawed, in the sense that non-whites are going to continue voting for social liberals when race is no longer a defining issue. The article has it completely backwards. Look at third world countries, many of them elect socially conservative governments, in fact, most do.

 

[RobDownSouth]

We can't all be as awesome as Mississippi.

Agreed. Did you see yesterday the Mississippi politicians decrying businesses that put up "we don't discriminate" in their storefront windows? They said it discriminated against Christians who wanted to discriminate.

That's some Ish-class cognitive dissonance.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I'm not sure I agree with Lind's "before long, everyone is going to be socially liberal" prediction. There are just too many social conservatives in America . . .

But most of them are old. It's a generational-demographics thing.

 

[renard_ruse]

BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA no it's not...both are dying. You're days of inprisoning people for drugs, sex and rock n' roll/gangsta rap are fucking over. They don't even bleep out "God damn" anymore.

You've lost

In fact, no we haven't. I won't explain why, but its even better than I thought in terms of the pop culture irrelevance. I just did some numbers crunching recently, and in fact, you've "won" by buying up pop culture, but you haven't one the people at all. I'll just leave it at that (and I'm not even going to tell you why, lol. A-hole)

No there are not.....zero people are born with a socially conservative orientation, they are indoctrinated into it, most likely by their parents...and even those are leaving the party of hypocrisy.

Sorry, Rors, they are. I hope that upsets you! A-hole.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The article's basic premise is flawed, in the sense that non-whites are going to continue voting for social liberals when race is no longer a defining issue.

Your basic premise is flawed.

You're assuming that race is the defining issue......quite obviously it's just one of many. You can still win a battle or two, but your side has losing the war HORRIBLY with the 'about to be running this bitch' generation so bad not even the younger people on your team take you scorch the earth conservative retards seriously.

The article has it completely backwards. Look at third world countries, many of them elect socially conservative governments, in fact, most do.

We aren't in a third world country dumb shit.

 

[renard_ruse]

The economic "conservatives" are the big losers. Let's see how they do now that they've alienated their base of values voters.

You wonder why the Tea Party is losing primaries? Its because values voters have already left the GOB or GOP or whatever its called. Over the longterm they are screwed.

 

[KingOrfeo]

1) you aren't born with a political viewpoint.

No, you aren't, your politics being shaped mostly by the particular time, place, culture, and family environment in which your personality was formed.

But it may be that one is born with a political tendency, that is, a kind of mind more amenable to one kind of political viewpoint than another. See Biology and political orientation.

 

[eyer]

....then claims he's an atheist. Or is that eyer's dumb ass?? I get the two confused all the time.

YOU are confused all the time, just like all common potheads, stoner...

...that's why you rant like the wannabe you are all the time, too.

BTW:

While another might appreciate the free rent in your mind...

...you really need to keep reserved that space for yourself in case you ever stumble across any objectivity.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The whole article is liberal bullshit BTW. "Residual white "racist" attitudes"? What the fuck does that mean? Whites who aren't dancing in the streets celebrating their own genocide? There hasn't been any "racist" white attidudes for 50 years. Whites are the ones having genocide commited against them.

Well, there you are, renard. That is what the writer means by residual white racist attitudes.

 

[renard_ruse]

Proletarian social conservatism is actually on the verge of a major comeback. Its already happening in Eurasia.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The article's basic premise is flawed, in the sense that non-whites are going to continue voting for social liberals when race is no longer a defining issue.

You misunderstand. Non-whites are subject to the same generational-cultural changes as whites. E.g., if white Millennials are more secular and non-religious than their parents, so are black and Latino Millennials more secular and non-religious than their parents. When the day comes when race is no longer a defining issue, neither, by then, will anything of importance to today's social conservatives be any longer a defining issue. Which means the only axis of political alignment remaining salient will be the economic.

 

[BotanyBoy]

In fact, no we haven't. I won't explain why, but its even better than I thought in terms of the pop culture irrelevance. I just did some numbers crunching recently, and in fact, you've "won" by buying up pop culture, but you haven't one the people at all. I'll just leave it at that (and I'm not even going to tell you why, lol. A-hole)





Sorry, Rors, they are. I hope that upsets you! A-hole.

Social conservatism has won in terms of pop culture? LMFAO

Metal and rapz are more popular than ever...sex sells better than ever, gay sex is on network TV and drugs are being legalized in new states every year.....sure conservatism is winning LMAO

You ain't got shit but anger and bitterness...that's why you aren't explaining shit, there is nothing to explain.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The economic "conservatives" are the big losers. Let's see how they do now that they've alienated their base of values voters.

They have one advantage that is very, very difficult to overcome. They have the money.

You wonder why the Tea Party is losing primaries? Its because values voters have already left the GOB or GOP or whatever its called.

. . . And gone where? The religious-right Constitution Party and the paleocon America First Party remain, still, the dead horses they were born. If you were right, one or both ought to be showing some signs of life.

 

[BotanyBoy]

YOU are confused all the time, just like all common potheads, stoner...

...that's why you rant like the wannabe you are all the time, too.

Only because you are just like every other GOP/Bible thumping dick suck....you're all the same, yammering about how people need to be locked up and ban this/that..... then talk out the sides of your asses about freedumb.

BTW:

While another might appreciate the free rent in your mind...

...you really need to keep reserved that space for yourself in case you ever stumble across any objectivity.

Objectivity.....you mean like "GOP N' GAWD OR YER A LIBERHUL!!" like you and the rest of the teahaddist? Yea no thanks.....now run along and listen to some Alex Jones in your 150F desert singlewide.

Proletarian social conservatism is actually on the verge of a major comeback. Its already happening in Eurasia.

No it's not....not in this country it's not.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Here's what it's all about -- see the Pew Political Typology 2011, particularly the "Staunch Conservative" grouping:

Staunch Conservatives

9% OF ADULT POPULATION /11% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: This extremely partisan Republican group is strongly conservative on economic and social policy and favors an assertive foreign policy. They are highly engaged in politics, most (72%) agree with the Tea Party, 54% regularly watch Fox News, and nearly half (47%) believe that President Obama was born outside the U.S.

Defining values: Extremely critical of the federal government and supportive of sharply limited government. Pro-business and strongly opposed to environmental regulation. Believe that military strength is the best way to ensure peace. Highly religious; most say homosexuality should be discouraged by society.

Who they are: More than nine-in-ten (92%) non-Hispanic white and 56% male. The oldest of the groups (61% ages 50 and older). Married (79%), Protestant (72%, including 43% white evangelical), and financially comfortable (70% say paying the bills is not a problem).

Lifestyle notes: Many are gun owners (57%) and regular churchgoers (57% attend weekly or more often), and fully 81% are homeowners. More watch Glenn Beck (23%) and listen to Rush Limbaugh (21%) than any other group.

Now, these are not "The oldest of the groups" because people grow more conservative as they age -- they don't. They are the oldest because they are of generations who grew up in and were shaped by a different America that will never again exist. When they die off they will not be replaced in commensurate numbers -- their children and grandchildren might be conservative, but not conservative the way they are.

As for the next-most-conservative grouping, the "Main Street Republicans":

Main Street Republicans

11% OF ADULT POPULATION /14% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: Concentrated in the South and Midwest. Main Street Republicans differ from Staunch Conservatives in the degree of their conservatism and in their skepticism about business. They are socially and fiscally conservative but supportive of government efforts to protect the environment.

Defining values: Highly critical of government. Very religious and strongly committed to traditional social values. Generally negative about immigrants and mostly opposed to social welfare programs. But much less enamored of business than Staunch Conservatives, and less supportive of an assertive foreign policy.

Who they are: Predominantly non-Hispanic white (88%), with two-thirds living in the South (40%) or Midwest (27%). A majority are Protestant (65%, including 38% white evangelical). A large majority (69%) are generally satisfied financially.

Lifestyle notes: Most (84%) are homeowners. About half are gun owners (51%) and regular churchgoers (53% attend weekly or more often). Nearly a quarter (24%) follow NASCAR racing. About half (51%) watch network evening news.

Not quite so old, perhaps, but also not quite so social-conservative, only half are regular churchgoers. It is also of interest that they are "not quite so enamored of business," lending at least some support to renard's point about the declining salience of business conservatism (but the Libertarians and the Post-Moderns might well take up the slack, there).

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Here's where its headed.

The Tea Party, conservative Cubans, and conservative blacks will congeal into a block that's a turd in the liberal/rino punchbowl.

Its like the German coalitions of the 30s. The socialists and communists congealed as the other parties congealed with the Nazis. Our libs and rinos are fucked.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Here's the rest of the Pew typology groups, BTW:

Libertarians

9% OF ADULT POPULATION /10% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: This Republican-oriented, predominantly male group mostly conforms to the classic profile of the libertarian in its combination of strong economic conservatism and relatively liberal views on social issues. Much less religious than other GOP-oriented groups, Libertarians are relatively comfortable financially– nearly half (46%) say they are professional or business class, among the highest of the typology groups.

Defining values: Highly critical of government. Disapprove of social welfare programs. Pro-business and strongly opposed to regulation. Accepting of homosexuality. Moderate views about immigrants compared with other Republican-oriented groups.

Who they are: Most (85%) are non-Hispanic white and two-thirds (67%) are male. Well educated (71% have attended college) and affluent (39% have incomes of $75,000 or more).

Lifestyle notes: Less likely than other GOP groups to attend church weekly (26%). More than half (56%) use social networking sites, and 46% have a gun in the household. 54% currently have a U.S. passport. 36% trade stocks. 38% regularly watch Fox News and 17% regularly listen to NPR.



Disaffecteds

11% OF ADULT POPULATION /11% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: The most financially stressed of the eight typology groups, Disaffecteds are very critical of both business and government. They are sympathetic to the poor and supportive of social welfare programs. Most are skeptical about immigrants and doubtful that the U.S. can solve its current problems. They are pessimistic about their own financial future.

Defining values: A majority believe that the government is wasteful and inefficient and that regulation does more harm than good. But nearly all say too much power is concentrated in a few companies. Religious and socially conservative.

Who they are: About three-quarters (77%) are non-Hispanic white and two-thirds (66%) have only a high school education or less. Compared with the national average, more are parents (44%). Fully 71% have experienced unemployment in their household in the past 12 months. About half (48%) describe their household as “struggling.”

Lifestyle notes: Only 26% have a U.S. passport. 23% follow NASCAR. 41% did not vote in 2010.



Post-Moderns

13% OF ADULT POPULATION /14% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: Well-educated and financially comfortable. Post-Moderns are supportive of many aspects of government though they take conservative positions on questions about racial policy and the social safety net. Very liberal on social issues. Post-Moderns were strong supporters of Barack Obama in 2008, but turned out at far lower rates in 2010.

Defining values: Strongly supportive of regulation and environmental protection. Favor the use of diplomacy rather than military force to ensure peace. Generally positive about immigrants and their contributions to society.

Who they are: The youngest of the typology groups (32% under age 30); a majority are non-Hispanic white (70%) and have at least some college experience (71%). Nearly a third (31%) are unaffiliated with any religious tradition. Half live in either the Northeast (25%) or the West (25%). A majority (58%) lives in the suburbs.

Lifestyle notes: 63% use social networking. One-in-five (20%) regularly listen to NPR, 14% regularly watch The Daily Show, 10% read the New York Times. 31% trade stocks and 53% have a passport.



New Coalition Democrats

10% OF ADULT POPULATION /9% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: This majority-minority group is highly religious and financially stressed. They are generally upbeat about both the country’s ability to solve problems and an individual’s ability to get ahead through hard work.

Defining values: Generally supportive of government, but divided over expanding the social safety net. Reflecting their own diverse makeup, they are pro-immigrant. Socially conservative, about as many say homosexuality should be discouraged as say it should be accepted.

Who they are: Nearly equal proportions white (34%), black (30%) and Latino (26%); about three in ten (29%) are first- or second-generation Americans. 55% have only a high school education or less. Nearly a quarter (23%) are not registered to vote.

Lifestyle notes: Half (50%) are regular volunteers for charity or non-profit groups. More than a quarter (27%) are looking for work or would prefer a full-time job to the part-time job they currently hold. Only 34% read a daily newspaper. 25% regularly listen to NPR. 34% buy organic foods.



Hard-Pressed Democrats

13% OF ADULT POPULATION /15% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: This largely blue-collar Democratic group is struggling financially and is generally cynical about government. Nearly half (47%) expect that they will not earn enough to lead the kind of life they want. Socially conservative and very religious.

Defining values: Critical of both business and government. View immigrants as an economic burden and a cultural threat. Supportive of environmental protection in general but concerned about the economic impact of environmental laws and regulations.

Who they are: A sizable number are non-Hispanic African American (35%), while 53% are non-Hispanic white. About seven-in-ten live in the South (48%) or Midwest (23%). Most (61%) are female. Two-thirds (68%) have only a high school education or less.

Lifestyle notes: Only 28% have a U.S. passport. More than four-in-ten (43%) describe their household as “struggling.” About one-in-five (21%) are currently out of work and seeking a job. 23% follow NASCAR. 61% regularly watch network evening news and 44% watch CNN.



Solid Liberals

14% OF ADULT POPULATION /16% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: Politically engaged, Solid Liberals are strongly pro-government and hold liberal positions across the full range of political issues. They are one of the most secular groups. Two-thirds (67%) say they disagree with the Tea Party.

Defining values: Very supportive of regulation, environmental protection and government assistance to the poor. Socially tolerant, supportive of the growing racial and ethnic diversity of the country. A majority (59%) say that religion is not that important to them.

Who they are: Compared with the general public, more live in the Northeast (25%) and the West (28%). About half (49%) are college graduates , including 27% with post-graduate experience, the most of any group. 57% are female.

Lifestyle notes: Less likely than any other group to watch Fox News. About a third (34%) regularly listen to NPR, 21% regularly watch The Daily Show, 18% regularly read the New York Times. Six-in ten(60%) use social networking sites. 59% have a U.S. passport; 21% are first- or second-generation Americans. Many (42%) regularly buy organic foods.



Bystanders

10% OF ADULT POPULATION /0% OF REGISTERED VOTERS

Basic Description: Defined by their disengagement from the political process, either by choice or because they are ineligible to vote. They are highly unlikely to vote (61% say they seldom vote, and 39% volunteer that they never vote; none are currently registered to vote). Most follow government and public affairs only now and then (42%) or hardly at all (23%).

Who they are: Bystanders are overwhelmingly young (51% are under 30) and nearly half are Latino (38%) or black (9%). A third (33%) are first- or second-generation Americans. They are diverse in their political views though they lean Democratic, and their values more often align with the Democratic than the Republican groups. They also have much more favorable attitudes about the Democratic Party and its political figures than about the Republican Party. More than half (54%) have incomes under $30,000 annually. Nearly two-thirds (64%) report that they or someone in their household were unemployed in the past year; 72% have only a high school education or less.

Lifestyle notes: Only 24% regularly read a daily newspaper. About a third (35%) regularly watch network evening news. Only 33% own their home, while 36% are looking for work or would prefer a full-time job to a part-time job they currently hold. Compared with most other groups, relatively few (25%) have a gun in the household, trade stocks in the market (8%), or have a labor union member in the household (5%).

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

YOU are confused all the time, just like all common potheads, stoner...

...that's why you rant like the wannabe you are all the time, too.

BTW:

While another might appreciate the free rent in your mind...

...you really need to keep reserved that space for yourself in case you ever stumble across any objectivity.

okay, I lol'd

Perfect reply.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Here's where its headed.

The Tea Party, conservative Cubans, and conservative blacks will congeal into a block that's a turd in the liberal/rino punchbowl.

Cuban-Americans are demographically insignificant outside Florida -- indeed, outside Miami and Tampa (and Tampa Cubans don't obsess over Castro) -- and there are really not enough conservative blacks to make up a significant element of any such coalition -- and, face it, the Tea Party in its present formation has far, far too much of an Angry-White-Man vibe to allow more-than-token numbers of blacks or Latinos to fit into it comfortably.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

My best friend is Cuban-American and part of the Occupy Joplin movement; he sounds like an angry white man.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Cuban-Americans are demographically insignificant outside Florida -- indeed, outside Miami and Tampa (and Tampa Cubans don't obsess over Castro) -- and there are really not enough conservative blacks to make up a significant element of any such coalition -- and, face it, the Tea Party in its present formation has far, far too much of an Angry-White-Man vibe to allow more-than-token numbers of blacks or Latinos to fit into it comfortably.

Blacks are the most conservative people in America. So are Cubans.

No dear, you don't get to make up a definition for the Tea Party and insist its official. Yours is a classic strawman fallacy. The Tea Party is OCD about government taxing and spending, they do not hunt for babies to kidnap, in the night.

 

[Bry1313]

You're born with a personality type. I have ALWAYS been "socially conservative" in terms of personality, even when I was a little kid.

Point 2 is more propaganda, and there are "no sides of history" (also a propaganda term). Also insulting to blacks to compare Jim Crow laws with a bunch of perverted butt fuckers.

Yes, let your hate flow.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Tea Party is OCD about government taxing and spending . . .

And African-Americans ain't.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes, let your hate flow.

He wuz born that way.