The competition for “most extreme violence” heats up

[MajorRewrite]

I find it very interesting that nobody seemed to mind that the guy got killed

That’s a weird thing to say. My original post called out your story for depicting the murder of multiple spouses. No mention of male or female because it’s irrelevant.

We just have different definitions of violent. I think murder is violent, whether it’s gruesome torture or a single gunshot. You only consider the gruesome stuff violent.

Your story is violent. The other story you linked to sounds violent too. Both things can be true.

 

[PastMaster]

That’s a weird thing to say. My original post called out your story for depicting the murder of multiple spouses. No mention of male or female because it’s irrelevant.

We just have different definitions of violent. I think murder is violent, whether it’s gruesome torture or a single gunshot. You only consider the gruesome stuff violent.

Your story is violent. The other story you linked to sounds violent too. Both things can be true.

Sorry - yes you were right - you did call out the murder - my post was more aimed at those that said i was pandering to the LW incels who were jerking off to the thought of a woman being murdered.
I think we've reached a point where we're just circling back to the same arguments - mine is that this was never meant as an erotic tale, it was one of vengence, and although I cannot disagree murder is violent, it wasn't in any way graphic. If this had to go before a mainstream censoring board i'd bet it would be classed at worst as a PG15.
Others is that this is an erotic site and therefore every story here is erotic, and violence and death has no place in that, the latter part of which I fully agree with.

 

[lovecraft68]

I find it very interesting that nobody seemed to mind that the guy got killed

My posts reflect most of the joy from the fuckwits came from the wife getting it. But in my post to suckamus I mentioned that none of this fits in an erotic category and same for all his examples of stories that if he's not exaggerating should never have made it through here and he should have reported them. I know I've also posted my disdain for the violence against "women and their lovers" so nice try there, at least where I'm concerned.

I've been on record as saying part of the issue with the category is also the horrible mistreatment of the husband in a lot of these stories. I feel willing cucks are a form of submissive and even some humiliation ties into that, in D/S the sub often enjoys aspects of humiliation. If the author conveys the husband is fine with it, that's within the realm of kink. If he's just forced to watch and be degraded for no reason(in a couple of mine the husband was an asshat and deserved it) that's another problem because again that type of 'meanness" shouldn't be arousing to people.

But writing that type of piece incenses the same dipshits who cheer the violence, so again, if the category got back to the sexy aspects of the kink and not all this over the top hatred, that herd would migrate somewhere else. Although I imagine anything could piss off such whiny fucktards.

I'll toss in one more problem there and that's the horrible racism involved in the vast majority of the IR cucj stories. Black guy is almost always a bullying thug and the inferring it makes the wife extra trashy for being with him, the way its supposed to be extra humiliation to the husband that she's with a black man...this is all pure racist af garbage.

Back when I came here the category was different there were even a lot of romance style stories and RAAC stories weren't flamed.

LW is a bad neighborhood and when a place starts to go downhill it gets worse because decent folks bail. Many authors post their stories in fetish and other categories now to escape the jackals and readers looking for decent stories are doing the same leaving the bad element the growing majority.

But what is overlooked is this can be fixed, but only by the site. Seeing they're screening comments, don't post the ones that are nothing but the spewing of hate, actually enforce your own rules and eliminate the over the top torture porn BTB stories. Take the stories that aren't erotic and just about revenge and move them to Non erotic, this would all help and is what they should be doing, but don't.

LW is the ghetto of Literotica and every slum has a slum lord who keeps it that way. This site cares only about traffic, not the type of traffic.

 

[PastMaster]

I'll toss in one more problem there and that's the horrible racism involved in the vast majority of the IR cucj stories. Black guy is almost always a bullying thug and the inferring it makes the wife extra trashy for being with him, the way its supposed to be extra humiliation to the husband that she's with a black man...this is all pure racist af garbage.

This is something that I've had problems with for some time. It happens in a lot of the cuck/wife sharing stories - where the wife being with a black guy seems like an extra level of depravity almost at the level of bestiality. It really is backhanded racism. The writers say - oh no is a black guy big cock fantasy - but in reality its racist shit.

 

[Bramblethorn]

True. I just would have expected a similar outcome. It's not like there are dozens of topics complaining about violence in stories in general, it just irritated me that I couldn't find any equivalent complains in this forum dealing with the other side: Not violent revenge, but unprovoked violence.

Without having seen the stories you mention, I can't say anything specific about those, so this is all in generalities.

We've had a few discussions on AH about "harmful content" in stories and I don't want to drag everything up again, but in brief, my position comes down to something like this:

• Fiction has power to influence the way people think, even when they understand that what they're reading is fiction. (If I didn't believe this, I wouldn't have much motivation to write!)
• The nature of that influence isn't as simple as "if people read about a thing happening in that story, they will want to do the thing".
• A story can describe things that are truly horrific without making readers want to re-enact them. Depending on how it's handled, it could even push them in the other direction: "people like you are capable of atrocity, so be careful what choices you make".
• OTOH, a story with relatively mild content can nudge people towards some very harmful attitudes.
• It depends very much on how it relates to the real world.

That question of "revenge" vs. "unprovoked violence" is important here. Unprovoked violence can be horrific, but by definition, it doesn't offer a justification. Nobody's going to read Silence of the Lambs and thinks, hmm, maybe Buffalo Bill was right to kidnap and murder women.

But with real-life violence against women, feelings of "justification" seem to be important. Rapists and domestic abusers will go to a lot of trouble to persuade themselves, and others, that what they do is acceptable, and their peers' attitudes influence what they're willing to do. It's not even the story content that bothers me with LW as much as seeing that 10% (please take that as a very very approximate figure) encouraging one another in the idea that revenge, preferably violent, is the only acceptable response to infidelity.

With the kind of story you're discussing, obviously the events described in them would be reprehensible IRL, but it's not obvious to me whether there's potential for spillover into RL, which is my concern. I'd be surprised if you were seeing a lot of comments celebrating that behaviour.

It's two in the morning here, so I'll have to check tomorrow, but I was pretty certain those three have touched upon revenge fantasies. As I wrote before when I posted those three sources, you are absolutely correct about revenge fantasies being less than desireable when people can't let go of them, and that is also the ultimate conclusion in the texts. But the initial occurance of them can help and are a natural response observed in basically all adults.

I agree that it seems to be a very common response, and it's one I've encountered myself sometimes - not always - when badly hurt by another. I remain to be persuaded that they're beneficial though, even in the short term.

It would be interesting to know whether the people leaving that kind of comment in LW are just there for a few months of venting while they work through a recent upset, or if it's the same people there year on year. Hard to know for sure with anonymous accounts.

Sadly, there are quite a few videos about animal traps that are not meant to be used for pest control. They mostly incorporate electric wiring, dry ice, or glue. And the comments underneath those videos are then mostly along the lines of "awesome that it broke their jaw, not you can watch them slowly starve", or "that glue-trap is especially satisfying if used in the winter, since you can see them shivering as they freeze to death".

Ugh. I hadn't seen any at that level on the one I checked, but sadly I can believe it :-/

I have yet to see a comment in the LW section that actually showed a similar level of glee about someone else's suffering.

The story I mentioned earlier has been taken down but the comments made while it was up are still available: https://www.literotica.com/s/was-it-worth-it-5/comments

See these three in particular:

"Pretty good story. It's a shame their pain and misery is over though. I'd ask both parties to present both their hands in exchange for their lives. You shoot both sets of hands. Their lives would be so utterly miserable, so completely devoid of joy. And you wouldn't even be a murderer. You'd just be an asshole that maimed two people and spent your life in prison....with fully functional hands."

"I like it. But not enough pain to the traders." [Presumably meant to be "traitors"; recalling that this is a story where the wife was dragging around by her hair, begging for her life, before being shot.]

"Pity he killed him self. He should have shot her in the kneecaps and elbows instead. She needed to life her life in full with a permanent reminder of her actions"

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

But with real-life violence against women, feelings of "justification" seem to be important. Rapists and domestic abusers will go to a lot of trouble to persuade themselves, and others, that what they do is acceptable, and their peers' attitudes influence what they're willing to do. It's not even the story content that bothers me with LW as much as seeing that 10% (please take that as a very very approximate figure) encouraging one another in the idea that revenge, preferably violent, is the only acceptable response to infidelity.

So, your main concern is that stories could encourage people's behavior in a bad way. I have to say, I'm partly reluctant to acknowledge that possibility. Yes, peer pressure is a thing. Humans are social creatures and we will - almost unconsciously - modify our behavior to appease to the group we find ourselves in. In that regard, the study you linked was not surprising. But there are three things I'd like to note.

• That is a result of direct social interaction. Those same College Students who brag about sleeping with unconscious or otherwise incapacitated coeds inside their "support group" will be quite reluctant to even acknowledge their actions outside of that group.
• Based on my professional experience, rapists and abusers don't universally try to persuade others of how their actions were acceptable. They do so either when faced with some form of punishment in an attempt to lessen their sentence, or to share that experience with already likeminded peers. There have only been very few outliers I could observe so far.
• I'm doubtful that hostile commenters became hostile after reading a story containing violence, but rather believe that they sought out those specific stories in the first place because they already had a disposition that resembles what the stories told about.

With the kind of story you're discussing, obviously the events described in them would be reprehensible IRL, but it's not obvious to me whether there's potential for spillover into RL, which is my concern. I'd be surprised if you were seeing a lot of comments celebrating that behaviour.

For the life of me, I can't remember the exact titles of the stories I had described earlier. Mostly because I reported and then forgot about them. But I found another two I can use as an examples: Busting Her Son's Balls and Mom's a Ballbuster. I think every male who reads either story would know that testicles don't magially grow back, which means that these tell the story of permanent maiming of a teenager because he was perceived as lazy. Or because the Mom had an orgasm hearing her son scream. A good quarter of the comments think that it displays good parenting...

Now, I agree that the potential for it to spill over into RL is small, however, I believe that the potential for spillover of any violence in stories is small. It is just too extreme a contrast to what the rest of society sees as "acceptable behavior". Deviating from that in such a drastic and potentially life-altering way, just because you read a few stories about it, is simply improbable at best (unless, of course, someone was already fantasizing about doing it). I also don't see why the potential for spillover would be highter with pastmaster's story, than with any of the ones I pointed out.

It would be interesting to know whether the people leaving that kind of comment in LW are just there for a few months of venting while they work through a recent upset, or if it's the same people there year on year. Hard to know for sure with anonymous accounts.

I'm honestly tempted to write a crawler and test that. I believe to have noticed a few reocurring commenters that don't post anonymously. If I created a sample of LW stories from the past two years that deal with violent revenge, and then simply look for non-anonymous commenters who posted favourably, an overlap could answer that question indirectly.

The story I mentioned earlier has been taken down but the comments made while it was up are still available: https://www.literotica.com/s/was-it-worth-it-5/comments

See these three in particular:

SMH. I stand corrected!

 

[Stimtheone]

A final argument on this can be made that all these influences exist in plentiful forms no matter how much we try to peel them off. People can get inspired on their own without reading about X. One can argue that Orwell should not write about authoritarian governments because it inspired them to exist. We can go on and on until you suddenly can say nothing.

But what one man chooses can be anything. The illusion that we can influence that choice by not inspiring them is at best temporary. Many things have not existed for years before one was inspired to do them without any previous idea. Equally can one look to this work and say "I want to do stuff like that", "I want to stop guys who do things like that" or "Not my problem" and there is nothing no one else can do but deal with the aftermath.

 

[Bramblethorn]

So, your main concern is that stories could encourage people's behavior in a bad way. I have to say, I'm partly reluctant to acknowledge that possibility. Yes, peer pressure is a thing. Humans are social creatures and we will - almost unconsciously - modify our behavior to appease to the group we find ourselves in. In that regard, the study you linked was not surprising. But there are three things I'd like to note.

• That is a result of direct social interaction. Those same College Students who brag about sleeping with unconscious or otherwise incapacitated coeds inside their "support group" will be quite reluctant to even acknowledge their actions outside of that group.

In the case of LW, I'm talking not just about the stories but about the "support group" that shows up in the comments. If LW had the exact same stories but without those comments I'd be far less concerned about it.

• Based on my professional experience, rapists and abusers don't universally try to persuade others of how their actions were acceptable. They do so either when faced with some form of punishment in an attempt to lessen their sentence, or to share that experience with already likeminded peers. There have only been very few outliers I could observe so far.

I didn't have much luck finding research on this in the domestic-violence context, but for sexual assault:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4491036/
"Perpetrators use rape supportive attitudes and sexual assault incident characteristics to justify forcing sex on their victims. Perpetrators who can justify their behaviors are at increased risk for future perpetration."

• I'm doubtful that hostile commenters became hostile after reading a story containing violence, but rather believe that they sought out those specific stories in the first place because they already had a disposition that resembles what the stories told about.

I'm sure that's a factor too, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that finding like-minded commenters reinforces those attitudes and increases the risk of somebody acting on them.

For the life of me, I can't remember the exact titles of the stories I had described earlier. Mostly because I reported and then forgot about them. But I found another two I can use as an examples: Busting Her Son's Balls and Mom's a Ballbuster. I think every male who reads either story would know that testicles don't magially grow back, which means that these tell the story of permanent maiming of a teenager because he was perceived as lazy. Or because the Mom had an orgasm hearing her son scream. A good quarter of the comments think that it displays good parenting...

First one wouldn't load for me, but the second...

Now, I agree that the potential for it to spill over into RL is small, however, I believe that the potential for spillover of any violence in stories is small. It is just too extreme a contrast to what the rest of society sees as "acceptable behavior".

For ball-busting stories, I'd agree. For revenge-on-cheating-wife discussions, I'm not so sure. There are enough guys murdering their partners IRL that it's not hard for me to believe there are plenty out there who are close enough to it to be nudged one way or the other.

Deviating from that in such a drastic and potentially life-altering way, just because you read a few stories about it, is simply improbable at best (unless, of course, someone was already fantasizing about doing it). I also don't see why the potential for spillover would be highter with pastmaster's story, than with any of the ones I pointed out.

Just to clarify, although I know some of the discussion here was about pastmaster's story, I haven't been talking specifically about that one.

I'm honestly tempted to write a crawler and test that. I believe to have noticed a few reocurring commenters that don't post anonymously. If I created a sample of LW stories from the past two years that deal with violent revenge, and then simply look for non-anonymous commenters who posted favourably, an overlap could answer that question indirectly.

That'd be interesting to see. The three examples I posted above were all anonymous, and it may be that anon posters don't have the same pattern as those with accounts, but it'd still be interesting to know the half-life of a non-anon commenter (and not just for LW).

 

[Bramblethorn]

A final argument on this can be made that all these influences exist in plentiful forms no matter how much we try to peel them off. People can get inspired on their own without reading about X.

And people can get lung cancer without smoking, but that doesn't mean smoking isn't a risk for lung cancer.

But what one man chooses can be anything. The illusion that we can influence that choice by not inspiring them is at best temporary. Many things have not existed for years before one was inspired to do them without any previous idea. Equally can one look to this work and say "I want to do stuff like that", "I want to stop guys who do things like that" or "Not my problem" and there is nothing no one else can do but deal with the aftermath.

Those are all possible reactions to any given work, but that doesn't mean they're all equally likely.

 

[IsobelDoc]

If you dont like the story - then campaign to get them removed from the site - Dont harangue authors for writing what the audience want to read.
You're all about the rules - the stores were within the rules. As KeithD often says - Be an ADULT and dont read them if they offend you. You have that choice.
If the rules change to ban the stories - then they'll be gone - but then so will a good chunk of the LW readership who will migrate to other sites where they can get their fix of BTB stories.
From what I can see - these stories are representative of what is going on in mainstream media - Horror movies arent about horror any more - they are simply gore filled violence fests. Computer games are all about violence - look at GTA Red Dead Redemption Call of Duty - they dont just involve violence but graphical depictions of that violence.
It's what the market demands - its within the rules - so leave it alone

 

[lovecraft68]

If you dont like the story - then campaign to get them removed from the site - Dont harangue authors for writing what the audience want to read.
You're all about the rules - the stores were within the rules. As KeithD often says - Be an ADULT and dont read them if they offend you. You have that choice.
If the rules change to ban the stories - then they'll be gone - but then so will a good chunk of the LW readership who will migrate to other sites where they can get their fix of BTB stories.
From what I can see - these stories are representative of what is going on in mainstream media - Horror movies arent about horror any more - they are simply gore filled violence fests. Computer games are all about violence - look at GTA Red Dead Redemption Call of Duty - they dont just involve violence but graphical depictions of that violence.
It's what the market demands - its within the rules - so leave it alone

Violence for titillations is against the rules here which has been my only argument on this. Post it in non erotic or novels and novellas and its a different story. Putting violence against women and their lovers in an erotic category eroticizes the violence. In the market(amazon) they will block an erotic story with rape or incest, but having it in novels like Girl with a Dragon tattoo or Game of thrones is fine because its supposed to be for shock value over jacking off to.

That's the difference. Like I posted Hate is not a kink.

But to your point Lit's 'ethics' are based on clicks not upholding their faux rules. Also if the 'market' of LW demands this, then it just managed to earn even more disdain from me than I already had.

 

[PastMaster]

Violence for titillations is against the rules here which has been my only argument on this. Post it in non erotic or novels and novellas and its a different story.

My question here is why?
Not why is violence for titillations against the rules - but why does it make a difference what categores it's posted in.
This is an erotic fiction site as has been pointed out to me on many occasion.

 

[djrip]

I feel pretty confident that waking up in a cartel brothel is not one of them.

I feel confident that something like that is a fantasy enjoyed by some women. Perhaps in a pornified, not realistically terrible way. Perhaps even including all the realistic unpleasantness, in some cases.

 

[PastMaster]

I feel confident that something like that is a fantasy enjoyed by some women. Perhaps in a pornified, not realistically terrible way. Perhaps even including all the realistic unpleasantness, in some cases.

I feel confident that, if you really tried, you could find some women who would have fanatsies about just about anything upto and including snuff.

 

[YANKEE DAN]

I've been on record as saying part of the issue with the category is also the horrible mistreatment of the husband in a lot of these stories. I feel willing cucks are a form of submissive and even some humiliation ties into that, in D/S the sub often enjoys aspects of humiliation. If the author conveys the husband is fine with it, that's within the realm of kink. If he's just forced to watch and be degraded for no reason(in a couple of mine the husband was an asshat and deserved it) that's another problem because again that type of 'meanness" shouldn't be arousing to people.

Stop kink shaming me bro I enjoy imagning myself the victim of such abuse, the worse the better. Abused, humiliated, emasculated, crying on the floor broken physically and mentally, that's a good place for me to be in fantasy land, and why not? God is dead, we are free, and I want to suffer.

 

[lovecraft68]

Stop kink shaming me bro I enjoy imagning myself the victim of such abuse, the worse the better. Abused, humiliated, emasculated, crying on the floor broken physically and mentally, that's a good place for me to be in fantasy land, and why not? God is dead, we are free, and I want to suffer.

If you like it fine, if you were in the story and the author conveyed even subtly you like it, we're not talking about what I am talking about.
I'm not talking the hardcore submissive humiliation you can find in femdom and other D/S stories, these stories are portrayed the husband doesn't like it, the woman obviously does not like being tortured and abused and in the case of Past Master killed....this can all work, but its not written as arousing and should not be in an erotica category. As for the readers, they're 'getting off' is on pure cruelty and abuse and that is not something erotic, just petty, sick and diseased.

If what you like was shown in BDSM or non con it can fit the kink, but some inkling the character like it needs to be shown to make it sexual. There is none of that in these sad tales written by insecure vindictive closet cucks who rage in stories the way they rage at themselves.

Hate is not a kink, period, and your point isn't about mine.

 

[YANKEE DAN]

If you like it fine, if you were in the story and the author conveyed even subtly you like it, we're not talking about what I am talking about.
I'm not talking the hardcore submissive humiliation you can find in femdom and other D/S stories, these stories are portrayed the husband doesn't like it, the woman obviously does not like being tortured and abused and in the case of Past Master killed....this can all work, but its not written as arousing and should not be in an erotica category. As for the readers, they're 'getting off' is on pure cruelty and abuse and that is not something erotic, just petty, sick and diseased.

If what you like was shown in BDSM or non con it can fit the kink, but some inkling the character like it needs to be shown to make it sexual. There is none of that in these sad tales written by insecure vindictive closet cucks who rage in stories the way they rage at themselves.

Hate is not a kink, period, and your point isn't about mine.

I'm not convinced. I need cruel authors to abuse characters for me to vicariously be, of course the cruelty is erotic. I don't need the victim to vocalize enjoyment of it for me.

It seems to me that you morally disapprove of this, but your morals are baseless opinions. Why shouldn't curelty be a kink? I saw that you write mostly incest stories, obviously incest is problematic in real life, but you enjoy it in fantasy. People could make similiar BS moral claims against your stories. I don't see the difference.

God is dead, we are just animals, stop the moralizing.

 

[KeithD]

I don't see the difference.

I think the phrase you're reaching for is "blatant, mind-numbing hypocrisy."

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm not convinced. I need cruel authors to abuse characters for me to vicariously be, of course the cruelty is erotic. I don't need the victim to vocalize enjoyment of it for me.

It seems to me that you morally disapprove of this, but your morals are baseless opinions. Why shouldn't curelty be a kink? I saw that you write mostly incest stories, obviously incest is problematic in real life, but you enjoy it in fantasy. People could make similiar BS moral claims against your stories. I don't see the difference.

God is dead, we are just animals, stop the moralizing.

We're having different conversations, and don't give me the 'moralizing' crap. Because first, I know god isn't dead, because something that never existed can't die, second, you don't know me. I can make you look as vanilla as they come. But there's a time, place, and platform for everything.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think the phrase you're reaching for is "blatant, mind-numbing hypocrisy."

Go back to commenting on your own stories and let the adults talk.

 

[KeithD]

An adult conversation wouldn't include you in your hypocrisy on what people should write about and not. You might go back to writing about what you've always wanted to do with your half sister.

 

[lovecraft68]

This is called a discussion where people with different opinions express and debate said opinions.
You have not been in this thread, you do not understand the topic, you have no opinion on the matter other than to be contrarian to me, and it dawned on you there's a long running thread happening that you haven't jacked yet.

So here you are.

 

[KeithD]

Why to confirm that Yankee Dan is right--that you terrorize this board with your blatant, mind-numbing hypocrisy on what can be written about here as long as the Web site accepts it whether or not you approve. The hypocrisy is that there isn't much submitted here that is morally worse than someone obsessed with engaging in incest himself writing about incest. When you've been a bit into your cups you've revealed just how close to what you write that you are in real life. That is beyond having been a failure in family, a failure to keep out of jail for violence, a failure in marriage, a failure in business, a sad Trumper chump, and a mediocre person leading a mediocre life that has little to distinguish itself other than your obsession with incest, your hypocritical approach to what anyone else writes and gets published here, and the feeling of inferiority that compels you to stick your nose into everyone else's business looking for dirt and then stalking them on the discussion board--several folks here.

You're a sick little puppy, LC, mentally living in a very small, sour world, and terrorizing this board in your sickness.

You ask me why I'm just now commenting on this thread. That I haven't commented on what someone else can write here if the Web site accepts it and that you've bled all over the thread on what you think has the right to be posted to Literotica in a story is a pretty good illustration of my point. And it's true, I'm not posting to the thread topic--whether something in particular should be on Literotica. I'm posting to your blatant, mind-numbing hypocrisy and terrorism of this board and insisting we all live and write to your "rules" and very selective sense of morality.

 

[YANKEE DAN]

We're having different conversations, and don't give me the 'moralizing' crap. Because first, I know god isn't dead, because something that never existed can't die, second, you don't know me. I can make you look as vanilla as they come. But there's a time, place, and platform for everything.

God is dead means there's no moral authority and the world is secular. There are no objective moral values and really all 'should' statements are invalid. Basically your just pretending that your preferences have weight and while it's fine to express your preferences (since everything is permitted) they don't have any weight. The time, place, and platform for things is whatever people want them to be and obviously, as you've pointed out, Literotica is a place for this kind of content.

 

[Andrew1968]

The "God is dead" argument is an incompetent, crap argument.

In the real world, where real people interact, in real environments, certain behavior is defined as unlawful. The perpetrators of that unlawful behavior, if caught, are supposed to be held accountable and are supposed to be subject to punishment. That is an objective fact, which is empirically supported. That objective fact implies the objective existence of a more or less fixed functioning moral code. There is a moral code underlying our criminal law. That moral code hasn’t disappeared and won’t disappear. The "God is dead" argument has absolutely no bearing on the objective, real existence of our moral codes and our legal doctrine.

The "God is dead" argument is only relevant when it pertains to cultural production, i.e., film, literature, and forms of visual art, etc.

Literotica doesn’t support complete free speech and it’s right and appropriate that it not do so. Literotica doesn’t support stories, with characters under the age of 18, who are involved in sexual situations. I think that’s good. In my neck of the woods, I believe it’s illegal to produce written erotica featuring characters, under the age of 18, who are involved in sexual situations.

I believe stories featuring violent, non-consensual content shouldn’t appear on a website dedicated to erotica. That sort of violent, non-consensual content should appear on a website dedicated to crime writing instead. That is, fundamentally, what violent, non-consensual behavior is – it’s criminal and so it shouldn’t be allowed in real life. Stories featuring violent, non-consensual behavior shouldn’t appear here. Those stories should appear on a site dedicated to crime writing.