The new UK law on viewing BDSM and bondage...

[Netzach]

Same courts that gave us the ban on violent porn get this guy back on the street sooner:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/beds/bucks/herts/4721145.stm


it's good to be protective.

 

[Dragonteeth]

I find it disappointing that UK media try to sensationalise everything for a good or shock headline.

I'm inclined to agree, however I know this buisness has been on going for several years, and certain parties have been fighting for a long time. It is also true that when the govorment commisioned a report, more people expressed an opinion AGAINST such a law, than FOR it.

This is DEMOCRACY in action folks.

The BDSM scene (at least in London) has been so hung up on it's own internal politics in recent years that any help that might have come from that quarter has been effectively hamstrung before it really started. That is not to say that there are not individuals who HAVE been working to defend the rights of sensible people to do what they want, just that they have been working largely unreccognised and unsupported.

I don't think that anyone can dispute the fact that the murder of anyone is a tragedy, this however is an over reaction only equalled by the fiasco that became "The Dangerous Dogs Act"

How would they enforce it though?

I'm seriously concerned. Yes I'd like a good definition of what they are actually going to prosecute.

 

[Dragonteeth]

I suppose it'll come down to consent again in the end. Current obscenity law in the UK states that images must be of adults who have consented to pose for them and consented to have them distributed.

In an ideal world I'd agree unfortunately that does not appear to be the case. According to http://www.uncharted-worlds.org/consultations/extremeporncensorship.htm
The act is intended to "protect" the participants...

"whether or not they notionally or genuinely consent to taking part"

Are you scared yet?

 

[MorfeuV]

Hahaha!

it's good to be protective.

"It's good to be da king".

 

[Dragonteeth]

Maybe this would be apropriate to look at too.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news/violent-porn-outlawed

 

[Ctoago]

Maybe this would be apropriate to look at too.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/news/violent-porn-outlawed

Thanks for the link.

It says this legislation 'builds on the fundamentals of the Obscene Publications Act 1959, and helps take our fight against violent and extreme pornography to where it needs to be.'

I don't want to start panicking about a backwards slide, but.....

After years of watching the 'Moral Majority' grasp ever tighter in the States - I don't like the look of this at all.

 

[janettt5]

Could someone please clarify it?

Does this mean it will now be illegal to see images on a Dommes website?

Thanks.

 

[Dragonteeth]

After years of watching the 'Moral Majority' grasp ever tighter in the States - I don't like the look of this at all.

No, neither do I.

If I'm understanding what I read correctly...

Person A, being in a safe, sane, consensual relationship takes some pictures of his partner in a "compromising" position and posts them to a BDSM group on the internet based in a forign country.

Person B, who doesn't know Person A at all, belongs to the same group and looks at the pictures.

Some how the group gets accused of having "Extreme Pornography". The police impound the groups reccords and search all the email addresses logged to that group.

Person B gets arrested at 4am and may get 3 years in prison.

Person A however, also arrested at 4am, might be facing 5 years in jail for publishing the material.

 

[chris9]

There are already two other threads on this topic. You might want to check them out for more information.
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=456330
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=456405

 

[janettt5]

Where are the

Threads please?

 

[chris9]

I linked them (had to edit to get them). They are among the upper ten threads showing though.

 

[janettt5]

Thanks. I've seen them now.

 

[Ctoago]

http://www.uncharted-worlds.org/consultations/extremeporncensorship.htm

The voice of reason. I wonder if anyone involved in the consultation ever read her piece?

 

[janettt5]

Not very clear, is it?

 

[Dragonteeth]

The voice of reason. I wonder if anyone involved in the consultation ever read her piece?

I know the people involved in the consultation were given similar material if not exactly that document.

Whether they actually read the material and what they did with the information is not my place to guess.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Not very clear, is it?

Sounds to me like most things associated with SM including breath play, torture, rape scenes, flogging, etc., etc. As to how they will know you might have such things on your PC, I expect they will be doing it the same way as they do many such things as in checking the records of sites which produce the porn, and perhaps hacking. I find it disturbing that they are putting this on a level with child pornography.

Catalina

 

[Dragonteeth]

Sounds to me like most things associated with SM including breath play, torture, rape scenes, flogging, etc., etc. As to how they will know you might have such things on your PC, I expect they will be doing it the same way as they do many such things as in checking the records of sites which produce the porn, and perhaps hacking. I find it disturbing that they are putting this on a level with child pornography.

Catalina

I'd suspect they'd sieze email addresses from lists like this one and then work their way through each one...


You'd get arrested at 4am (That seems to be the favoured time because most people are at home then.)

You'd be carted off to the police station for questioning and your PC would be siezed.

They'd do a "Forensic Data Recovery" and then if you had any doggy images... 3 years in jail.

Forensic data recovery can read an image under 8 layers of delete and overwrite.

 

[davro]

Seems to me a lot of talk of rights and freedom of speech here without too much concern about that of others.While I dont consider anything between consenting adults wrong or immoral in this area of pornography we`re straying outside of both definitions and many involved are the victims of traffickers or out and out kidnappers.Do you really want to watch someone actually raped,an innocent tortured,I`m sure I dont and it`s this stuff they`re trying to stamp out.I`ve looked at porn for more years than I care to remember and I`m disturbed at what I see,more and more abuse,force and degradation seem to be the direction it`s headed in,is that really healthy? Porn "superstar" Max Hardcore has law enforcement agencies after him because of the content of his videos,he`s always trod a fine line and I for one think he`s over-stepped the mark.Just looking at the various free video clip sites will throw up plenty of images of people apparently beaten,raped,tortured,humiliated and degraded.To me that`s just evil,whatever people do with each other that gets them off is fine by me but when images of people shitting into each other`s mouths,being beaten up,slapped around e.t.c without anything to show that it`s been consensual(if indeed it has been)then that`s enough for me and a jail cell is the best place for people like that.I watched a porn video by Rocco Siffredi once that featured an apparent rape and torture(of him actually)but at the end it was made very clear that it had been totally consensual and fantasy,big difference.Mr Hardcore on the other hand,being the clever bastard he is,was actually filmed on a Channel 4 documentary performing a non-consensual sex act on a woman which she complained about long and loud,his reaction,"grow up,you`re wasting my time,you know the score".
Rocco got it right,I watched the video and knew those involved were pro`s acting a part doing something that they enjoyed,that I can enjoy.Wondering if someone I just watched slashed their wrists a few days later to escape whatever hell they`d got into....even that thought is too much for me.
I`d suggest some people here look at what they`re really trying to stamp out rather than over-reacting and talking shit,no-one`s mentioned BDSM sites,they`re targetting snuff,rape,torture and self-declared non-consensual sites,nothing a simple disclaimer and co-operation with anyone asking couldn`t sort out.
To those of you who see the lady`s campaign as a waste of time,she`s lost her daughter for fuck`s sake,she wants reasons,she probably got her reasons from the animal that killed her girl`s defence team and she`s done something about it.

 

[Netzach]

Seems to me a lot of talk of rights and freedom of speech here without too much concern about that of others.While I dont consider anything between consenting adults wrong or immoral in this area of pornography we`re straying outside of both definitions and many involved are the victims of traffickers or out and out kidnappers.Do you really want to watch someone actually raped,an innocent tortured,I`m sure I dont and it`s this stuff they`re trying to stamp out.I`ve looked at porn for more years than I care to remember and I`m disturbed at what I see,more and more abuse,force and degradation seem to be the direction it`s headed in,is that really healthy? Porn "superstar" Max Hardcore has law enforcement agencies after him because of the content of his videos,he`s always trod a fine line and I for one think he`s over-stepped the mark.Just looking at the various free video clip sites will throw up plenty of images of people apparently beaten,raped,tortured,humiliated and degraded.To me that`s just evil,whatever people do with each other that gets them off is fine by me but when images of people shitting into each other`s mouths,being beaten up,slapped around e.t.c without anything to show that it`s been consensual(if indeed it has been)then that`s enough for me and a jail cell is the best place for people like that.I watched a porn video by Rocco Siffredi once that featured an apparent rape and torture(of him actually)but at the end it was made very clear that it had been totally consensual and fantasy,big difference.Mr Hardcore on the other hand,being the clever bastard he is,was actually filmed on a Channel 4 documentary performing a non-consensual sex act on a woman which she complained about long and loud,his reaction,"grow up,you`re wasting my time,you know the score".
Rocco got it right,I watched the video and knew those involved were pro`s acting a part doing something that they enjoyed,that I can enjoy.Wondering if someone I just watched slashed their wrists a few days later to escape whatever hell they`d got into....even that thought is too much for me.
I`d suggest some people here look at what they`re really trying to stamp out rather than over-reacting and talking shit,no-one`s mentioned BDSM sites,they`re targetting snuff,rape,torture and self-declared non-consensual sites,nothing a simple disclaimer and co-operation with anyone asking couldn`t sort out.
To those of you who see the lady`s campaign as a waste of time,she`s lost her daughter for fuck`s sake,she wants reasons,she probably got her reasons from the animal that killed her girl`s defence team and she`s done something about it.

There is no DOCUMENTED proof of an actual non-staged snuff film, in which someone is actually killed on camera and the film is distributed.

None. It remains the giant pornographic monster in the closet.

Is there trafficking, abuse, rape and blood in some porn? Sure.

Pardon me, but where do your clothes come from? Gap? Nike? Assuming you don't sew them yourself there's more murder and rape in your sweatpants than in the whole of the porn industry. But people would rather freak out over the sex in the ads for those sweatpants.

 

[MechaBlade]

So, a news story on today's BBC.com. A woman who's daughter was murdered, has campaigned for, and won, "a ban on the possesion of violent sexual images".

BBC Story

Does anyone have more information on what kinds of images they are talking about? It justs seems a very sweeping statement. (I've seen pictures of missionary that could be considered violent!)

The man convicted appears to have had a strangulation fetish, but the ban seems to be potentially of a much wider scale.

Any ideas?

Well, obviously it was the violent porn that made him a murderer.

What kind of bullshit is this? What is this, America?

 

[MechaBlade]

As people with fetishes, maybe we should some sort of international legal fund for shit like this.

 

[Marquis]

I'm curious about the circumstances surrounding this girl's death, I get the feeling it was an accident.

Oh yeah, and I love Max Hardcore and I think he's an American hero. He strikes me as an extremely intelligent guy who is totally shameless about his perversions, someone I can really respect. He also has started including interviews at the end of his videos where the actresses talk about what a great time they had during the shoot.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Forensic data recovery can read an image under 8 layers of delete and overwrite.

LOL, I know...is F's specialty and why he is so sought after...yah, new job tomorrow with all the special treatment he has earned, and they asked him, not the other way around!! It is amazing people do not realise how easy it is to collect such data though, and how easy it is to be checked, not to mention many do not believe the powers that be would actually do it. Sheesh, we have very few rights left in terms of personal privacy and freedom of choice and expression.

Catalina

 

[Ctoago]

Seems to me a lot of talk of rights and freedom of speech here without too much concern about that of others.

For my part, absolutely not. Of course I feel sorry for the woman who lost her daughter, it was a horrible crime, and I'm glad the man responsible has been convicted. (The fact that his appeal on legal/technical grounds has now been upheld, and his conviction may be quashed - that's disgusting.)

To those of you who see the lady`s campaign as a waste of time,she`s lost her daughter for fuck`s sake,she wants reasons,she probably got her reasons from the animal that killed her girl`s defence team and she`s done something about it.

And we're supposed to believe his reasons? In this age of whiney-ass, 'nobody ever loved me', 'it's not my fault'? Hell, no. He killed her, he chose to kill her, and I don't believe his porn collection 'made' him do it.

 

[catalina_francisco]

To those of you who see the lady`s campaign as a waste of time,she`s lost her daughter for fuck`s sake,she wants reasons,she probably got her reasons from the animal that killed her girl`s defence team and she`s done something about it.

Maybe you need to look at reality. Why I object, and why I feel sorry for the time and energy this woman has wasted on futility is because nothing will convince me she is addressing a problem which will change anything in terms of murder, rape or abuse. Why? Because the only perpetrators who blame their behaviour solely or partially on looking at porn are those who are trying to find leverage for mercy in their sentencing and someone else to blame except themselves.

This guy for instance clearly stated he had these fantasies long before he viewed any porn...the reason he viewed the porn was because he already had the desire, the reason he committed the act was because he already had the desire, not because of any porn he viewed or collected. Then of course if you want to believe it had some part to play in his behaviour, how do you rationalise the number of people who are denied their right to view porn of their choice in their private home against the miniscule number who commit acts against others and blame it on porn?

If that is enough reason to deny others rights, you might like to look at removing all children from their parents home at birth because there are a larger number of crimes committed which are factually based on outcomes from their family and upbringing then there are on porn viewing. It is like domestic violence...money and effort keeps getting poured into providing shelters for women (which I think is good to an extent), while very littel is spent on dealing with the base issue of why abusers abuse, and providing services to stop that behaviour, and why survivors/victims are drawn to such partners, and dealing with helping them stop their behaviour. Long term all it is is giving the appearance of doing something which basically is only a band-aid action until the next incident...it does nothing to address the real issues and stopping it.

BTW, they are not just addressing the areas you specified, they are addressing anything they see as violent sexual behaviour which is a large part of SM, and they are equating it with paedophilia which I strongly object to.

Catalina