The YDD Award

[tolyk]

well I took an ass chewing from sack for not having a literary degree and therefore any comments left with out proper merit are 'superficial '(~_*) as Tolyk said most of the time the review of a poem is more indepth and out of sync with why the poem was written in the first place. twist that with their personality and you have what we have today 4 with degrees that rarely comment and the rest practicing

No, that is not what I said. I said I didn't find that particular advice overly helpful. At this point in time I should add. Who knows, perhaps when I look back on it after I've given it some time to stew in my head, it'll be exactly the advice I needed.

Every comment is different. I did say however that it was in no way negative. I find your posts in this thread far more negative than anything I've read elsewhere in this forum.

 

[twelveoone]

this type of thread= praising someone with the intelligence and courage to tell the fucking truth whoooo hoooo!!!!!

bring em on

speaking of broad spectrum

It is time, every one offered specifics, every one stuck their neck out, I praise, I admire.
Explain BoD? Perhaps you misread, took something out of context?
I hope.

 

[The Poets]

wow Du, I want to praise you, no sarcasm, but this is the most honest post I have seen from you, and I mean it, I appreciate it! We are big girls and boys here and can take it, does not have to be considered negative....it is all how people read it. YDD kicked ass, she was the best. I remember when WE gave me my first tough crit, I felt fucking HONORED because it told me she knew I was READY to take it. Big girl. No more lollipops for your bad poetic behavior! Okay not like that. She said cut this mother fucker in half, okay not like that either but still. yeah.

I gave you a tough critique? Did I make you cry? Tell me I did. Go ahead and say it. "You made me cry, bitch." You may use that or come up with something on your own--as long as bitch is used. I like that word.

By the way, I was addicted to YDD's comments. I submitted poetry during her time here just so I could get a YDD comment.

 

[SeattleRain]

well I took an ass chewing from sack for not having a literary degree and therefore any comments left with out proper merit are 'superficial '(~_*) as Tolyk said most of the time the review of a poem is more indepth and out of sync with why the poem was written in the first place. twist that with their personality and you have what we have today 4 with degrees that rarely comment and the rest practicing

hmm

interesting

so why can I never get a good ass chewing around here?

 

[twelveoone]

hmm

interesting

so why can I never get a good ass chewing around here?

did you ever ask

 

[SeattleRain]

wow Du, I want to praise you, no sarcasm, but this is the most honest post I have seen from you, and I mean it, I appreciate it! We are big girls and boys here and can take it, does not have to be considered negative....it is all how people read it. YDD kicked ass, she was the best. I remember when WE gave me my first tough crit, I felt fucking HONORED because it told me she knew I was READY to take it. Big girl. No more lollipops for your bad poetic behavior! Okay not like that. She said cut this mother fucker in half, okay not like that either but still. yeah.

I gave you a tough critique? Did I make you cry? Tell me I did. Go ahead and say it. "You made me cry, bitch." You may use that or come up with something on your own--as long as bitch is used. I like that word.

By the way, I was addicted to YDD's comments. I submitted poetry during her time here just so I could get a YDD comment.

Bitch bitch you know I love it when you tell me what to say
and you know this is what the people really miss
bring on the dancing bimbos
yeah bitch you know you love them dancin bimbos
come on baby get out your towel
don't leave me cryin all alone

 

[SeattleRain]

did you ever ask

umm.. I think I just did.

must I say please?

 

[SeattleRain]

No, that is not what I said. I said I didn't find that particular advice overly helpful. At this point in time I should add. Who knows, perhaps when I look back on it after I've given it some time to stew in my head, it'll be exactly the advice I needed.

Every comment is different. I did say however that it was in no way negative. I find your posts in this thread far more negative than anything I've read elsewhere in this forum.

damn man put on some pants
I find it entirely distracting and I am trying to have an intelligent conversation here
and I think I just want to give you tickle torture until you pee

 

[Liar]

damn it moderators! I was getting nibbled head to toe! Buzz kill

Psst! Over here.

 

[tolyk]

damn man put on some pants
I find it entirely distracting and I am trying to have an intelligent conversation here
and I think I just want to give you tickle torture until you pee

Naw, I'm comfortable

As for tickling.. I'm not in the least bit ticklish, good luck trying though (I'd rather enjoy the effort )

 

[twelveoone]

By the way, I was addicted to YDD's comments. I submitted poetry during her time here just so I could get a YDD comment.

yeh, it's gotta be you, you where lucky, you got more.
I was addicted to yours.

Damn, this Tzara and others deserve recognition, YDD probably was not always right, one of the reasons, I thought about leaving, it has been too long, someone hasn't kicked my ass. Need that BoD, Pound kicked Eliot's ass. Tzara kicked mine, good, but offered a ton of constructive crit. Recognition.

 

[BrinkOfDoom]

explain

I meant to say I think this is a case of a brain outshining a pundit. I don't know how to say it better than that. It's like giving the Beatles the Herman's Hermits awards. And I've been looking at quite a number of comments, YDD didn't impress.

Brinkster.

 

[SeattleRain]

Naw, I'm comfortable

As for tickling.. I'm not in the least bit ticklish, good luck trying though (I'd rather enjoy the effort )

have you ever been tickled by the chin of doom?
I got me a man who is tickled by nothing but...
oh and the sound effects alone will leave you doubled over
and over

 

[twelveoone]

I meant to say I think this is a case of a brain outshining a pundit. I don't know how to say it better than that. It's like giving the Beatles the Herman's Hermits awards. And I've been looking at quite a number of comments, YDD didn't impress.

Brinkster.

but you agree Tzara deserves recognition?

 

[tolyk]

have you ever been tickled by the chin of doom?
I got me a man who is tickled by nothing but...
oh and the sound effects alone will leave you doubled over
and over

Doubled over by a beautiful woman.... Hmmm..

Tickle away

 

[BrinkOfDoom]

but you agree Tzara deserves recognition?

Yes, of course. Mostly, I think this place needs something, it needs something to make people want to stay. It's just my opinion, but I think this place needs more of a friendly air. When Tzara made me feel like a million bucks, I tried to explain what a wondrous thing was that little push. And I wanted to repay that by being smart and paying attention.

You're right, you're right 1201, I was overly negative and boorish, I'm sorry. The best thing about lit, let me be honest - it's the ease with which you find your old poems and can investigate further if you find a poet you like. Second, is the rare friendship found. Third is we learn - we actually learn here - I do see that. Now, I don't want to run any critic ragged or heap weight upon them. If people keep making the same errors can't we make a big list of the best or more thought provoking advices from all the threads?
Thanks for letting me spin my wheels, you've given my weekend quite a bit of excitement, twelve.

Brink, Rich, whatever...

 

[Rybka]

WOW! I make one comment on this thread and when I come back we have a fire storm spilling over pages. - I will only respond to the first one that referred to me. After that I was thankfully left out of the brou-ha-ha, and will stay so.

This is a waste of space in this forum. This is a poetry forum NOT a political forum.

Hello? What is your comment? The first two posts were on topic. MET then questioned the reason for the theme. Then you jump in and make what. . . a "poetical" statement????

This type of thread combined with the negative reviews of the other day (where the poem was mentioned but more negative aspects were mentioned then the WHY it is good therefore why were they even mentioned in the reviews?).... are reasons why every one is leaving the forum.

Who is leaving? I don't see you going anywhere. - If you are referring to my review, please remember that I always qualify it as being just that, and invite everyone else to add their own recommendations. (Aside: If you don't like my comments then don't post your poem to display on Thursday!)

I understand all have thier thoughts and the freedom to voice them but if you people have not heard .... THIS SHIT OF NEGATIVE POUNCING ON OTHERS NEEDS TO STOP. If you can not be nice then go join a political group or a religion... where you are taught that you are the SAVED and RIGHT.... and leave this forum alone to be what it is suppose to be.. a writers haven to express themselves and learn.

No one but you is "NEGATIVE POUNCING". An honest critic/reviewer says what s/he thinks needs to be said. Maybe you should retreat from the real world to a nunnery where everything is sweet and praiseworthy. - How do you expect writers to learn when YOU praise pap and never mention crap? And. . . "leave this forum alone. . ." ??? Dear lady, I was here long before you. If anyone has changed the nature of this forum it is not I. This used to be a much more purely poetic forum, not a clique-club with certain posters trying to see who can start the most threads or post the most posts and pat the most backs.

Some of the best advice I have ever gotten if you can't say anything nice then do not say anything.... unless asked. I swear if you put this much effort into writing a poem we might have something to create a thread about....but I find it funny that neither of you post hardly any poems to share with others... why is that?

I have posted, in the past, well over 100 poems. I removed them for submission elsewhere and because they started receiving "1 bombs" when I began to offer honest criticism on submitted works.

So either write something or be nice and quiet unless ASKED..

Why do you not follow your "best advice"?

Learn to play nice both of you... otherwise you are looked at as ASSES...

One sees in the mirror what one wants to see.

Now I have had my say... which is not my usual way...

"To laugh. . . It is to laugh!"

but enough is enough and I am damn sick of this place becoming a hell hole.... and killing any type of writing that can be enjoyed.

Then do please go and write something I can enjoy! - This diatribe was not it.


PAX not POX

 

[twelveoone]

WOW! I make one comment on this thread and when I come back we have a fire storm spilling over pages.

PAX not POX

I'm not done with you - people always steal from people they like
that was
POX

 

[BooMerengue]

Special mention for BooMerengue for getting over her reluctance to offer criticism.

Thank you, 1201. You're right- I do hate critiquing, but if I want to get I have to give.

Rybby? You're right on. I wonder if folks here were actually looking one another in the eye would there be so much silly shit said.

 

[twelveoone]

Yes, of course. Mostly, I think this place needs something, it needs something to make people want to stay. It's just my opinion, but I think this place needs more of a friendly air. When Tzara made me feel like a million bucks, I tried to explain what a wondrous thing was that little push. And I wanted to repay that by being smart and paying attention.

You're right, you're right 1201, I was overly negative and boorish, I'm sorry. The best thing about lit, let me be honest - it's the ease with which you find your old poems and can investigate further if you find a poet you like. Second, is the rare friendship found. Third is we learn - we actually learn here - I do see that. Now, I don't want to run any critic ragged or heap weight upon them. If people keep making the same errors can't we make a big list of the best or more thought provoking advices from all the threads?
Thanks for letting me spin my wheels, you've given my weekend quite a bit of excitement, twelve.

Brink, Rich, whatever...

Bold in your quote - done by me

I know the difference between someone that helps and someone that likes to show off how smart they are, everyone I mentioned in that short list, helped people that asked, you turn the comments on you asked, also.

I did not leave specifics because some at the other end of the advice may not have saw it as such, and if they didn't, not to further their embassesment; and some of was gleaned across threads, and in exchanges.

Yes, I think it would be a good idea to make a big list of the best or more thought provoking advices from all the threads; you can start.

This just being my way of recognising the quality of the unsung, unpraised and too often upbraided but needed part here.

Please feel free to expound, here or in another thread.

 

[twelveoone]

Thank you, 1201. You're right- I do hate critiquing, but if I want to get I have to give.

Rybby? You're right on. I wonder if folks here were actually looking one another in the eye would there be so much silly shit said.

two ways to grow as a writer, I saw how hard it was for you, I appreciate

 

[Liar]

I meant to say I think this is a case of a brain outshining a pundit. I don't know how to say it better than that. It's like giving the Beatles the Herman's Hermits awards. And I've been looking at quite a number of comments, YDD didn't impress.

YDD impressed by being consistent, prolific and straight shootin'. And for remaining so in the midst of a shit storm. I don't clain to have the brains myself to rank her and others on a braininess-scale, but if she lacked in that department, she made up for it with spine.

Besides, I'll bet most Nobel Price winners would outsmart Alfred Nobel.
(On the other hand, it's his money, so that analogy is a bit askew, but you know what I mean.)

 

[twelveoone]

Why do you feel that you have the "right" to appropriate the mantle of YDD for your own viewpoint/purposes?

I have been thinking of asking "The Poets" to name the soon to be new sub-forum after/in honor of her. However I have not been able to come up with a Y *** D *** D *** title that would represent what she stood for. Do you, or anyone else, have a suggestion?

BTW, I second this, officially
sometimes it takes a lot to smoke you out of your hive

"But you must admit
I know my shit"

Pax

but in the mean time, Tzara step up and take your prize
net worth $0 or would you prefer it in euros?

 

[Du Lac]

WOW! I make one comment on this thread and when I come back we have a fire storm spilling over pages. - I will only respond to the first one that referred to me. After that I was thankfully left out of the brou-ha-ha, and will stay so.

Hello? What is your comment? The first two posts were on topic. MET then questioned the reason for the theme. Then you jump in and make what. . . a "poetical" statement????

Who is leaving? I don't see you going anywhere. - If you are referring to my review, please remember that I always qualify it as being just that, and invite everyone else to add their own recommendations. (Aside: If you don't like my comments then don't post your poem to display on Thursday!)

No one but you is "NEGATIVE POUNCING". An honest critic/reviewer says what s/he thinks needs to be said. Maybe you should retreat from the real world to a nunnery where everything is sweet and praiseworthy. - How do you expect writers to learn when YOU praise pap and never mention crap? And. . . "leave this forum alone. . ." ??? Dear lady, I was here long before you. If anyone has changed the nature of this forum it is not I. This used to be a much more purely poetic forum, not a clique-club with certain posters trying to see who can start the most threads or post the most posts and pat the most backs.

I have posted, in the past, well over 100 poems. I removed them for submission elsewhere and because they started receiving "1 bombs" when I began to offer honest criticism on submitted works.

Why do you not follow your "best advice"?

One sees in the mirror what one wants to see.

"To laugh. . . It is to laugh!"

Then do please go and write something I can enjoy! - This diatribe was not it.


PAX not POX

Rybka

First may I say that it is not correcting poems that I say is negative but the style in which it is being done. Funny when I come out and post in a mode that is outspoken, with direct thoughts on how I viewed things, and an undertone of anger... I am told to go to a nunnery, go away and that my form of critical reviewing basically sucks. lol... I was once again wrong for lowering myself to this emotional quality of expressing myself and it just shows that what is given in return is being told to go away.

Funny how you say that you did not like being one bombed and therefore will no longer post poems here but feel that you have the right to do basically just that to others. If you give it out you should be able to take it.

What I had a problem with was you using the review threads to personally humiliate a poet. I went there to see what was suggested as to be read and what I found was outright disdain for others writings. You are not impartial nor kind. When I PMed you to look at one of my poems you went over it but just had to put a personal dig at me at the end. I did not ask you to review me the person just look over the poem. That is the difference. If you really look at my critical suggestions you will see that I come out and kindly say what I feel is incorrect with the poem. When biased I state so. This is the problem with this forum ... personality conflicts not poems.

Finally may I say while it is stated that New people have just as much of a right to speak their mind... you in stating that you have been here longer and that it is I that should go throws that statement right out the window. Change is growth. Lauren is trying to start a sub forum that leaves out the personal agenda of the poetry. This is what Angeline tried in the work shop. But a thread like this only displays that is not what you people want. You want to be caught up in the drama of life and state that these are the rules for all to play .... and if you have a voice that says any different you are told to go away. LOL...

Finally I do have to laugh at your final suggestion.. that I go write something for you to enjoy... Since when is it my mission in life to write for Rybka? Now I will retreat to the real world... my nunnery where positive energy breeds positive outcomes and leave you to the hell hole you seem to think is heaven.

Du lac~

 

[bluerains]

Authenticity

The most important reason why YDD was so interesting to us all was
first and foremost her authenticity and second , her balance
I was always impressed with the way she could see into the heart of a poem and
know the essence ..I don’t think that needs a degree...perception is vital to help any poet.
I admire all of you here who have been able to be authentic to your views..
That's the trait we should strive for...To voice your thoughts and feelings in a way without
fear..of being a rebel..We are not a site like a church where its the leader of the band and deacons of the church tell us what we believe in our poem.
The reason why there are so many churches and religions is no one can read one little book and agree on the perception therein...so how can we as poets critique with perfection what is real for the person who is the creator of his work...keep the doors open and be a
banter for one another ..but, do it with detachment to the message...and take nothing personal...just because I might find a certain poets work not to my liking does not mean that its wrong or right its just a piece of magic. for someone..all of it...have a great weekend..and learn from YDD... Authenticity peace/blue