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[Fuzzy1975]

None of this is proof for evolution in any form, or proof against Creation. All it shows is the God created a pretty awesome place.

Science doesn't try to prove Creationism, nor does it try and disprove it. Science gives results. People interpret those results. The only ones trying to prove Creationism, are Creationists. Why? Well because the scientific results show Creationism to be wrong.

So here's a few places that will give you several facts in the Bible, scientific facts, that not only are measurable and repeatable, but we use them today from science to medicine to agriculture...

https://carta.fiu.edu/gsc-creative/2016/04/12/3-scientific-facts-you-never-knew-were-in-the-bible/

I have a hard time taking Job 26:7 as proof of Gravity. The others are observable and to claim it as such is pretty funny. The effect of gravity can be seen by anyone. Drop a rock. Newton proved gravity exists "mathematically". Aristotle was studying it in 300 BC.

The other two are observable, just like gravity, and show how people without understand how an observable event happens describe the cause.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ch...ble-that-prove-faith-and-science-coexist/amp/

#10...not all societies thought the earth was on a turtle...go ask some Native Indians their take.
#9 I see a trend starting, where the writers kind of try and state that the cumulative knowledge about a subject built up over thousands of years, is being attributed to say Leeuwenhoek just "discovered" germs. Until that point no one knew anything, except the Bible did thousands of years before....

People knew tens of thousands of years ago, getting dirt in a wound was bad. They just didn't know why. They knew using water help prevent the infections, just not why the infections occur. Kind of like how an animal will lick at a wound to keep it clean.

#8...lol fuck this, all the same trope.

https://www.icr.org/article/modern-scientific-discoveries-verify-scriptures

Ok now they can't even follow the current science...

"In other words, the universe is running down, deteriorating, constantly becoming less and less orderly."

The Universe is not running down, nor is it becoming less orderly. What it is doing is expanding, we know this, we can measure this. We just don't understand why it is expanding, Science knows we are missing some piece to describe what we see.

https://truthfortheworld.org/science-proves-the-bible

I could go on... But you won't even bother considering these.

I agree, don't go on. Your only use for Science is to prove Creationism. Which is why you keep failing.

 

[ll74]

 

[JaySecrets]

Science doesn't try to prove Creationism, nor does it try and disprove it. Science gives results. People interpret those results. The only ones trying to prove Creationism, are Creationists. Why? Well because the scientific results show Creationism to be wrong.

I have a hard time taking Job 26:7 as proof of Gravity. The others are observable and to claim it as such is pretty funny. The effect of gravity can be seen by anyone. Drop a rock. Newton proved gravity exists "mathematically". Aristotle was studying it in 300 BC.

The other two are observable, just like gravity, and show how people without understand how an observable event happens describe the cause.

#10...not all societies thought the earth was on a turtle...go ask some Native Indians their take.
#9 I see a trend starting, where the writers kind of try and state that the cumulative knowledge about a subject built up over thousands of years, is being attributed to say Leeuwenhoek just "discovered" germs. Until that point no one knew anything, except the Bible did thousands of years before....

People knew tens of thousands of years ago, getting dirt in a wound was bad. They just didn't know why. They knew using water help prevent the infections, just not why the infections occur. Kind of like how an animal will lick at a wound to keep it clean.

#8...lol fuck this, all the same trope.

Yadda, yadda, you ignore data and use circular reasoning that excludes the possibility of a Creator because you can't stand the thought of that accountability. So you discount everything that points to Him. Got it.

Ok now they can't even follow the current science...

"In other words, the universe is running down, deteriorating, constantly becoming less and less orderly."

The Universe is not running down, nor is it becoming less orderly. What it is doing is expanding, we know this, we can measure this. We just don't understand why it is expanding, Science knows we are missing some piece to describe what we see.

They didn't say shrinking or collapsing. They said running down. In fact, the very expansion rates of the universe prove a young creation, as one of the other links demonstrates. You intentionally twisted their words to discount their point.

I agree, don't go on. Your only use for Science is to prove Creationism. Which is why you keep failing.

No, science naturally proves and points to its Creator. There is a difference.

 

[JaySecrets]

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"Jesus said to them, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me.'"

"Have you not heard from the beginning God made them male and female."

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."

"Thou shalt worship the LORD your God, and Him only shalt thou worship."

Jesus was revolutionary to the world He came into. Still is. But He is far from "woke".

 

[ll74]

"Jesus said to them, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me.'"

"Have you not heard from the beginning God made them male and female."

"It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."

"Thou shalt worship the LORD your God, and Him only shalt thou worship."

Jesus was revolutionary to the world He came into. Still is. But He is far from "woke".

Totz woke

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yadda, yadda, you ignore data and use circular reasoning that excludes the possibility of a Creator because you can't stand the thought of that accountability. So you discount everything that points to Him. Got it.

They didn't say shrinking or collapsing. They said running down. In fact, the very expansion rates of the universe prove a young creation, as one of the other links demonstrates. You intentionally twisted their words to discount their point.

No, science naturally proves and points to its Creator. There is a difference.

You haven’t posted any data.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Yadda, yadda, you ignore data and use circular reasoning that excludes the possibility of a Creator because you can't stand the thought of that accountability.

I am not excluding anything, find me something that does show there is a creator and I will agree. But you haven't. You will never understand you haven't, because you are looking for proof. But it's not there. That is why Creationists keep trying to find something.

So you discount everything that points to Him. Got it.

What points to "him" maybe it's a "her"?

They didn't say shrinking or collapsing. They said running down. In fact, the very expansion rates of the universe prove a young creation, as one of the other links demonstrates. You intentionally twisted their words to discount their point.

I read what they wrote. I even quoted it. Maybe go back and re-read it.

No, science naturally proves and points to its Creator. There is a difference.

I've yet to see any. You do, and you WANT to. Myself, I'll follow the evidence. Besides, if heaven existed, I'd not want to spend my eternity with the likes of you. That would be worse than anything hell could throw at me.

 

[JaySecrets]

You haven’t posted any data.

I have posted tons of data... that you choose to ignore because it goes against your blind faith in people wearing lab coats.

 

[JaySecrets]

I am not excluding anything, find me something that does show there is a creator and I will agree. But you haven't. You will never understand you haven't, because you are looking for proof. But it's not there. That is why Creationists keep trying to find something.

What points to "him" maybe it's a "her"?

I read what they wrote. I even quoted it. Maybe go back and re-read it.

I've yet to see any. You do, and you WANT to. Myself, I'll follow the evidence. Besides, if heaven existed, I'd not want to spend my eternity with the likes of you. That would be worse than anything hell could throw at me.

Read my above statement. Not repeating myself on that again. Your god is you. It is human reason. It is blind faith that will look for any reason not to accept the obvious because that would mean accountability to a God you hate.

So here's the real question. Why do you hate God?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Read my above statement. Not repeating myself on that again. Your god is you. It is human reason. It is blind faith that will look for any reason not to accept the obvious because that would mean accountability to a God you hate.

lol so now I hate something I don't have faith in....what next?

So here's the real question. Why do you hate God?

How do you hate something, that doesn't exist?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I have posted tons of data... that you choose to ignore because it goes against your blind faith in people wearing lab coats.

None of what you posted contains any data whatsoever. The links bring you to articles where people post opinions but there hasn’t been any data.
If you have a single link that shows someone collected data and published it please show it.

 

[ll74]

So here's the real question. Why do you hate God?

Lol...you are the one declaring your god to be everyone else's. No one hates.your god. You're the issue.

Your god isn't an issue because it is not a thing for anyone outside of your religion

 

[Nicefella]

I live for these posts.

I imagine dudes and gals silently and manically jerking off to porn until they see a new post about/for/against abortion/Trump/illegal immigrants/ Palestine/Ukraine - And then they start furiously typing with their other/left hands angrily.

 

[JaySecrets]

I live for these posts.

I imagine dudes and gals silently and manically jerking off to porn until they see a new post about/for/against abortion/Trump/illegal immigrants/ Palestine/Ukraine - And then they start furiously typing with their other/left hands angrily.

Yep. Your warped imaginations. That's all you really have in the end.

 

[ll74]

Yep. Your warped imaginations. That's all you really have in the end.

Guy who believes in imaginary man in the sky has some views ..

 

[JaySecrets]

Guy who believes in imaginary man in the sky has some views ..

The One I believe in is far beyond mere man and his petty ideas. There is no man who would invent such a God. And He has left evidence of His Hand from the smallest molecule to the grandest expanses of the galaxies, from the complexity of an amoeba to the DNA of man, to the witness of your conscience. It takes a lot of imagination and blind faith to wish away the proofs of His Being and Authority. My favorite quote, from a leading agnostic evolutionary scientist, in the film Evolution vs. God:"The problem with you creationists is that you don't have ENOUGH IMAGINATION!"

 

[ll74]

The One I believe in is far beyond mere man and his petty ideas. There is no man who would invent such a God. And He has left evidence of His Hand from the smallest molecule to the grandest expanses of the galaxies, from the complexity of an amoeba to the DNA of man, to the witness of your conscience. It takes a lot of imagination and blind faith to wish away the proofs of His Being and Authority. My favorite quote, from a leading agnostic evolutionary scientist, in the film Evolution vs. God:"The problem with you creationists is that you don't have ENOUGH IMAGINATION!"

More of your belief that is irrelevant to me.

Neat!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Bones like teeth are not soft tissue, and so far those types of bones have recovered DNA as far back as 2.2 Million years. There is no Dino DNA, since those records are made up of Rock.

I came into this thread to refudiate the above statement, and ended up learning something instead!

(Unlike JoePepsiCo, who has "learned everything he has needed to know", I am an ongoing student).

There was a criminal case here recently where scientists were unable to extract DNA from bone fragments found in a cremated body....and I learned that any and all human DNA disintegrates when subjected to a temperature of 350 degrees and above.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I came into this thread to refudiate the above statement, and ended up learning something instead!

(Unlike JoePepsiCo, who has "learned everything he has needed to know", I am an ongoing student).

There was a criminal case here recently where scientists were unable to extract DNA from bone fragments found in a cremated body....and I learned that any and all human DNA disintegrates when subjected to a temperature of 350 degrees and above.

Me either.

 

[JaySecrets]

More of your belief that is irrelevant to me.

Neat!

Your own expert scientists have said that evolution is a matter of faith (not in the public discourses, but in the papers and commentary usually read in-house), one of your leading evolutionary philosophers stated that the reason the possibility of God is excluded is because such a God might, and I quote, "interfere with our sexual mores". And on the video above, one of your leading evolutionary scientists states that creationists don't accept evolution because "you don't have enough imagination". There you have it. Faith. Self-serving pleasure. Imagination. That's the real basis of all evolutionary argument. Everything else is just dressing up the ugly and ignoring what shows it wrong, even openly lying if it protects the theory from exposure. Because, in the end, it isn't a matter of the head at all. It's a matter of the heart.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Your own expert scientists have said that evolution is a matter of faith (not in the public discourses, but in the papers and commentary usually read in-house), one of your leading evolutionary philosophers stated that the reason the possibility of God is excluded is because such a God might, and I quote, "interfere with our sexual mores". And on the video above, one of your leading evolutionary scientists states that creationists don't accept evolution because "you don't have enough imagination". There you have it. Faith. Self-serving pleasure. Imagination. That's the real basis of all evolutionary argument. Everything else is just dressing up the ugly and ignoring what shows it wrong, even openly lying if it protects the theory from exposure. Because, in the end, it isn't a matter of the head at all. It's a matter of the heart.

Do you have a link to those papers you mentioned?

 

[Bray123]

Your own expert scientists have said that evolution is a matter of faith (not in the public discourses, but in the papers and commentary usually read in-house), one of your leading evolutionary philosophers stated that the reason the possibility of God is excluded is because such a God might, and I quote, "interfere with our sexual mores". And on the video above, one of your leading evolutionary scientists states that creationists don't accept evolution because "you don't have enough imagination". There you have it. Faith. Self-serving pleasure. Imagination. That's the real basis of all evolutionary argument. Everything else is just dressing up the ugly and ignoring what shows it wrong, even openly lying if it protects the theory from exposure. Because, in the end, it isn't a matter of the head at all. It's a matter of the heart.

Total twaddle.

 

[Bray123]

Coal is full of fossils including vegetable matter. Those large palm tree things are plentiful, from when they collapsed into the swamp. Then they became crushed and dried, then eventually became coal for people to burn in power stations. Any coal miner has seen impressive specimens of plants long since extinct (my relatives have, anyway). All around the world there are seams of coal.

So why didn't those plants rot down into compost for new plants to grow on, which is what happens within a few months to any pile of vegetable matter nowadays? The answer is simple. The organisms that cause rot hadn't evolved yet. Those seams were not placed there as a joke or a puzzle or a gift from spacemen, no matter what some grifter tells you from a pulpit. Palm trees evolved before fungi and beetles; that's all there is to it.

 

[ll74]

Your own expert scientists have said that evolution is a matter of faith (not in the public discourses, but in the papers and commentary usually read in-house), one of your leading evolutionary philosophers stated that the reason the possibility of God is excluded is because such a God might, and I quote, "interfere with our sexual mores". And on the video above, one of your leading evolutionary scientists states that creationists don't accept evolution because "you don't have enough imagination". There you have it. Faith. Self-serving pleasure. Imagination. That's the real basis of all evolutionary argument. Everything else is just dressing up the ugly and ignoring what shows it wrong, even openly lying if it protects the theory from exposure. Because, in the end, it isn't a matter of the head at all. It's a matter of the heart.

I don't own scientists.

Sorry you don't like that evolution exists.

 

[Lazaran]

My favorite quote, from a leading agnostic evolutionary scientist, in the film Evolution vs. God:"The problem with you creationists is that you don't have ENOUGH IMAGINATION!"

The individual was obviously being exceedingly polite / diplomatic.

What that individual was ACTUALLY implying in their statement is - “The problem with you creationists is that you don’t have ENOUGH INTELLIGENCE.”



Hope that ^ helps.

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