Using AI.

[Husky_Embrace]

By happenstance I got into the DALL•E beta testing program. For someone not as talented in drawing, it was amazing. The beta versions were often better, as well as had a lot more character. Nowadays they apply some filter that makes it homogeneous and bland to me.

Before that happened it already began to twist in me though. Reading about the insane high costs in power gor using it, but also the way it was trained. Able to learn from the lively hood of other people. If we turn to writing, imagine writing news articles every day for income, then having some random company scrape your site to allow anyone to write articles like you do.

Even though I don't use it any more, I do see the possible advantages. Look at Photoshop, Unreal Editor, CGI, coding, and thousands of other apps. Each of these is already a program to make certain things easier, with many extra algorithms to make it even easier. Libraries for code or some CGI fire, terrain creation in the Unreal Editor, or the thousand features of Photoshop that do not even touch AI. We're already offloading much to programs to make our art easier.

If you ignore the ethical problems it currently has, AI definitely has a place in the future. It is just a new way to package all of the features above. I think it would be hypocritical to say otherwise.

That being said, I expect the writing to be just like the creation of AI art. It isn't good in one go. You need to iterate. Clarify, change, add an oddball. Only then you'll see your ideas spring to life. The best feature they didn't progress with in DALL•E was out painting, where you could create parts of an image. It would allow for gigantic pictures, where you could iterate over one part many times to get it right, and even remove just part of it to recreate something new over the faulty ones.

AI is still work, though a different kind.

Personally I stick with writing it slowly on my phone in a text program. I'll still have to snare an editor for my consistent fat fingering and grammar mistakes that I don't find even after a second and third pass. They use a different neural network that I do like to use.

 

[SimonDoom]

I haven't, so far, but I'm curious to try, just for myself. I wouldn't try to publish a story under my name that was created via AI.

 

[Erozetta]

What about scaroused?

I have used that in a story before. It's fun.

 

[Bamagan]

Hi, I'm new here. Is AI assisted includes grammar refinement and polishing, just in case?

It can. It depends on the program and how it's used. Many, perhaps most, commercially available word processors have incorporated AI into their grammar software. Old-fashioned spelling and grammar checkers are still allowed (in theory), but if the software gives you suggested rewrites that you accept (or if it does so automatically) it might be a problem for getting your story published here. You can still use it to find problems and issues, but it's probably safer to implement your own solutions rather than heeding what the robot thinks is optimal.

 

[KittyOfSteele]

Now I'm hearing Johnny Cash song 'One Piece at a Time' in my head but imagining it's about a guy that works in a sex bot factory not a car factory.

Hey... That's worldbuilding!

You mean... Like The Thing from Addams family?

i don't know whether to be scared, or really scared.

No, more like this.

 

[WittyUserName]

Ever try using AI to write a story?

No, and I never will. It's terrible. I can see using a program to check for grammatical errors, but I would never even consider going further than that. What's the point?

 

[D_K_Moon]

No, I don't use it and never will. I have deleted or turned off all of the AI applications on my laptop and on my phone.

 

[Baztrachian]

The net effect is to spell correctly, put commas where they belong and let me know when I've started multiple sentences with 'she'. How does that effect anyone's voice?

Try using slang. Better yet, try using old slang. Try using the grammar of a non-English speaker to establish a character.

All these bullshit programs will censor you or normalize the words you've written.

 

[old_prof]

Don't need luck, I've been doing this(without AI) for over thirty years.

It's basically taking data structures I designed and stubbing out standard template code that I then have to clean up and implement logic against to make the program do what it needs to do. Pretty much just saving me from typing a bunch of stuff that been written a thousand times before.

I don't trust AI to do much more than that.

Sounds like a good approach.

 

[PennameWombat]

I like this as the title for a story, though. "Using AI" where the main character has an advanced AI-controlled sexbot.

--Annie

There is an annual author event on this subject. See the listing for "AI: A New Era 2025." But it's nothing to do with having AI write the stories.

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...zed-challenge-schedule-updated-04-29.1624496/

AI: A New Era 2025 [ OPEN ]
support thread: TBA
organizer: bettiezyx
challenge date: final anthology list posted on September 1st
submit your story: August 1st-31st

You can find the various past stories from this event.

I did this one for a past year: AI Era: Bots are People Too

 

[Bramblethorn]

But I do think it's disingenuous to talk down one form of generative AI while using another form, which was basically the turning point for me, personally. I didn't feel good about the idea of being against gen AI in writing while using it for Art. To me, there's no difference between the uses and if you condemn one, you should condemn the other for the same reasons.

Years before generative AI was a consideration, I noticed that some of the authors on this forum who were (rightly) outraged when somebody ripped off story content thought nothing of using somebody else's images for avatars/etc. without obtaining permission. It struck me the same way: if there's a principle there, presumably it should apply to both forms.

 

[alohadave]

Years before generative AI was a consideration, I noticed that some of the authors on this forum who were (rightly) outraged when somebody ripped off story content thought nothing of using somebody else's images for avatars/etc. without obtaining permission. It struck me the same way: if there's a principle there, presumably it should apply to both forms.

Quite a years ago, there was an electronic musician that made 8-bit covers or homages (I forget which), and make a stink about people pirating his music, when he pirated the cover image from someone.

He couldn't see how they were the same. Since the music was his thing, it's the only that registered for him.

 

[Voboy]

Never.

Fuck AI.

 

[sinfantasy]

Like it or hate it.... AI it has already become the inevitable part of our lives (some of us just don't know it yet)

As for writing, this is my hobby, my indulgence and my therapy. It defeats the whole point to outsource the joys of life to machine.

Just a reminder.... There is an upcoming challenge about AI, "AI: A New Era 2025" in Aug.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Quite a years ago, there was an electronic musician that made 8-bit covers or homages (I forget which), and make a stink about people pirating his music, when he pirated the cover image from someone.

He couldn't see how they were the same. Since the music was his thing, it's the only that registered for him.

And the "you wouldn't steal a car" anti-piracy campaign used a pirated font. (Allegedly also pirated music but I haven't seen receipts on that.)

 

[Erozetta]

Years before generative AI was a consideration, I noticed that some of the authors on this forum who were (rightly) outraged when somebody ripped off story content thought nothing of using somebody else's images for avatars/etc. without obtaining permission. It struck me the same way: if there's a principle there, presumably it should apply to both forms.

That's another thing I've come around on and why my new avatar is a cupcake I baked (and my profile banner image is cookies I made. *edit* err... garlic bread I made... because I apparently changed it and forgot.)

 

[Voboy]

The net effect is to spell correctly, put commas where they belong and let me know when I've started multiple sentences with 'she'. How does that effect anyone's voice?

All of which you can learn to do properly with your very own built-in Intelligence that is not Artificial.

Better yet, that same Inartifical Intelligence can also learn to do all those things improperly, when appropriate, thus knowingly violating standard conventions as a means of adding spice, or tension, or dissonance. It's a wonderful thing, the brain.

It's a shame there are so many in favor of replacing it.

 

[alohadave]

All of which you can learn to do properly with your very own built-in Intelligence that is not Artificial.

Better yet, that same Inartifical Intelligence can also learn to do all those things improperly, when appropriate, thus knowingly violating standard conventions as a means of adding spice, or tension, or dissonance. It's a wonderful thing, the brain.

It's a shame there are so many in favor of replacing it.

I don't understand the resistance to using tools to help yourself. There are plenty of times that I've missed easy things because I've been staring at it for so long. It's really no different than having an editor go over the text. Or using a TTS app to read it to you. Or changing the font and size of the text. All these things are done by people here.

I know grammar, but I also don't know every rule of grammar and I'm a native English speaker, so having a tool that points out things that I've either missed, or might not know off-hand is useful. Should every writer be an expert in all parts of language before typing a single word? It seems a little excessive. Imagine an ESL writer using a tool to help them get the grammar and punctuation correct.

It's not, and shouldn't be, something that we shame people for using.

 

[KittyOfSteele]

By happenstance I got into the DALL•E beta testing program. For someone not as talented in drawing, it was amazing. The beta versions were often better, as well as had a lot more character. Nowadays they apply some filter that makes it homogeneous and bland to me.

Before that happened it already began to twist in me though. Reading about the insane high costs in power gor using it, but also the way it was trained. Able to learn from the lively hood of other people. If we turn to writing, imagine writing news articles every day for income, then having some random company scrape your site to allow anyone to write articles like you do.

Even though I don't use it any more, I do see the possible advantages. Look at Photoshop, Unreal Editor, CGI, coding, and thousands of other apps. Each of these is already a program to make certain things easier, with many extra algorithms to make it even easier. Libraries for code or some CGI fire, terrain creation in the Unreal Editor, or the thousand features of Photoshop that do not even touch AI. We're already offloading much to programs to make our art easier.

If you ignore the ethical problems it currently has, AI definitely has a place in the future. It is just a new way to package all of the features above. I think it would be hypocritical to say otherwise.

That being said, I expect the writing to be just like the creation of AI art. It isn't good in one go. You need to iterate. Clarify, change, add an oddball. Only then you'll see your ideas spring to life. The best feature they didn't progress with in DALL•E was out painting, where you could create parts of an image. It would allow for gigantic pictures, where you could iterate over one part many times to get it right, and even remove just part of it to recreate something new over the faulty ones.

AI is still work, though a different kind.

One thing is using AI to incorporate new bloat into software (YMMV, to me every new feature is bloat until it actually does something useful; I will always consider Copilot on Windows 11 as yet another instance of the Microsoft Bloat plaguing Windows since the 9x days), and a whole different thing is saying that anything generated by AI is still work. I mean, of course it is a different kind of work: you're telling the software what to do, and what things to edit out. Do you know who else does that? Clients.

 

[Rob_Royale]

All of which you can learn to do properly with your very own built-in Intelligence that is not Artificial.

Better yet, that same Inartifical Intelligence can also learn to do all those things improperly, when appropriate, thus knowingly violating standard conventions as a means of adding spice, or tension, or dissonance. It's a wonderful thing, the brain.

It's a shame there are so many in favor of replacing it.

My ProWritingAid is a tool. Nothing more. It does not write for me or decide how how my words are read. When it flags an error, I decide whether to accept it or not. When a tool works for me, I use it. Your approval is not required.

 

[Husky_Embrace]

One thing is using AI to incorporate new bloat into software (YMMV, to me every new feature is bloat until it actually does something useful; I will always consider Copilot on Windows 11 as yet another instance of the Microsoft Bloat plaguing Windows since the 9x days), and a whole different thing is saying that anything generated by AI is still work. I mean, of course it is a different kind of work: you're telling the software what to do, and what things to edit out. Do you know who else does that? Clients.

I understand your plight. The 'work' becomes so insignificant that it's hard to see what a person has really done. Even so, we can say that of more than just AI.

When Star Wars came out the CGI used was much seen as the same. A cheat. Currently it is even easier, where we can grab libraries to remove over 90% of the work.

Currently I'm working on low code applications. Instead of coding everything and coding it well, other people with tremendous knowledge have build the perfect blocks of code. Safe, secure and fast. All one needs to do is click a few web elements together, grab a few blocks of logic, and you're done. In the style of the company and everything. One company took that even further, where with a few clicks they can set up a new website or service with connections to DB, services and more. Basically they just need to click a few more times to add the new functionality.

AI is merely a tool in development to do the same for writing (and other things). Faster and better writing might be there in the future, so even the worst writer with amazing ideas can join the literary ranks. How it's currently it shouldn't be used, but it has potential.

AI is a blight on windows, just like much of the other (privacy invasion) features. It is a blight on so many things. But AI does hold great futures. Do you know the 'folding from home' project, where computers could lend their calculation power to see how proteins folded? Solving that would the a gateway to a new understanding of the human body heretho unimagined, allowing much better medicine for example. After years it had few results. AI solved it.

AI for writing will remove some aspects of the writing process, but it can still have a place in the future.

 

[Voboy]

It's not, and shouldn't be, something that we shame people for using.

You shouldn't be shocked if people disagree, especially here.

AI aims for technical perfection. Perfection is not the goal of good writing. Excellence is. Excellence doesn't need to be perfect. So no, you don't need to be an expert in every aspect of language.

But you should know how to write. The "tools that help yourself" move your finished product further from your own brain, your own imagination.

Your approval is not required.

When did I imply it was?

Go with your bad self. But your presumption that I should agree with you is as silly as my presumption that you should agree with me.

 

[onehitwanda]

AI aims for technical perfection

I'd rather argue that AI aims for preeminence - the end goal of those who deploy AI is for people to use AI for all their needs. They want it to be useful; a modern-day Google, that people will flock to for all their needs.
The ultimate goal is, in my opinion, monetisation and lock-in.

The obverse of the coin is that AI will fundamentally stunt people's ability to think, discover and strive. Why bother with FANBOYS or ISAWAWABUB when an AI will generate grammatically correct sentences for you, why learn anything about the conjugation of verbs when an AI already has these internalised, why learn the art of selecting the word to set the colour, mood and tone of a scene when people grow up on AI slop and don't even know what they're missing?

Furthermore, why learn to play the piano when an AI can do it for you? Why learn to draw when an AI can generate a picture for you? Why stretch yourself in any way if a machine can do it faster and "easier"?

I can understand the use case for using a (good) AI to do guided scut-work. I can even understand the use of AI to generate summary precis. But I can't help but fear that the widescale, willy-nilly deployment of AI is generating a society where all that matters is the outcome and where the end result is that we will live in a Faberge world that none of us can fix when it goes wrong.

Machinists know how to machine metal. They might have access to a fifty-seven-million degrees-of-freedom computer controlled CNC machine, but they could still do all the work themselves with a lathe and some metal files and some ingenuity. Why do we treat words, pictures and sounds differently to metal, wood and other physical objects?

I wouldn't want to give up the process of writing or struggling to learn to play the piano. I love the journey. The end result is a nice-to-have.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Machinists know how to machine metal. They might have access to a fifty-seven-million degrees-of-freedom computer controlled CNC machine, but they could still do all the work themselves with a lathe and some metal files and some ingenuity. Why do we treat words, pictures and sounds differently to metal, wood and other physical objects?

Very good analogy, I like that!

 

[onehitwanda]

Very good analogy, I like that!

hur hur, you said anal.