We dont' talk about breasts enough

[Angelofsex]

Ohh breasts, one of my favorite parts on a woman, and to me the size of them isn't important I'm not really interested in breast bondage, I prefer to play with them in other ways. Like squeezing them, pinching, sucking, biting and licking the nipples. I also like to use nipple clamps, hot wax and ice cubes on them. Oh and one more thing, if the size allows for it, there's something about a titty fuck that's just so hot!

Was just going to say this........my nipples loves it.......some of this bondage is very erotic to me.......when he does it to me.

 

[Pure]

I was lucky to receive extensive coaching in breast torture by a domme. Truly there are so many possibilities. Just the types of whip lashes, and other objects, like thin canes or 'switches'. The 'spank' of the back of a wooden spoon. As one poster, Bunny Bondage said, the nipples can take a lot, but a stick/cane of 1/4 to 1/2 in diameter will get through that barrier.

There is an updated discussion of--primer on--breast torture and safety at http://www.darkerpleasures.com/primer

While playful, it is a little fuller than Wright (though Wright was used) as to the effects of a variety of abuse.

As to Bunny B's issue of insensitivity: First, disinfect or sterilize your piercing implements. Second, use the 'insensivity' of the nipple, for instance in the following way: Use a thick needle to go through at the base **, one that is say, 4 ins. long. That means it can be grabbed (two fingers either side) or a rope attached. The nipple can then be twisted, or the rope use to attach a weight, if the woman either is leaning forward, or there is some pulley arrrangement (to pull up or outward from the body). The sensations in the breast as its pulled by, say 2 lbs, gently, not jerking, are quite interesting. (Start lighter, check your sensitivity and pain threshold.)

** in other words, the piercing is 1/4 to 1/2 inches before the tip of the nipple; it's going through a good deal of inner tissue of the nipple, not just the skin or very tip.

 

[D's mariposa]

giggling maniacally..

(sekrit message to D's mariposa: i get that grin too, but as soon as the crop actually lands on my breast the grin promplty vanishes!)

Y'know, Cosmo used to run a column written by a guy, (they probly still do, but I don't read it so much any more.) and one day he wrote about women with breast insecurity. I can't remember all of it, but there's one quote that sticks in my head. "When it comes to breasts, most guys care about two things; nipples and availability."

*flashes every one and runs out, heading for the fireside lounge and coffee*

 

[Richard49]

Re: giggling maniacally..

Y'know, Cosmo used to run a column written by a guy, (they probly still do, but I don't read it so much any more.) and one day he wrote about women with breast insecurity. I can't remember all of it, but there's one quote that sticks in my head. "When it comes to breasts, most guys care about two things; nipples and availability."

*flashes every one and runs out, heading for the fireside lounge and coffee*

Ya you flash when I am not around

I would add one more thing
I do not like phoney ones

 

[Ebonyfire]

Breast Worship

There I have said it. That is the only kind of breast play I require from my subs toward me. However, I do some nipple elongation and torture on my boys.

 

[Richard49]

Re: Breast Worship

However, I do some nipple elongation and torture on my boys.

ouch !!!!

 

[MissTaken]

Re: Breast Worship

There I have said it. That is the only kind of breast play I require from my subs toward me. However, I do some nipple elongation and torture on my boys.

Ya just made me think that one of the reasons I like breast bondage is that it feels like they are being worshipped as the ropes are being laid, splayed and tied off.

Hmmmm

(Lucky boys!)

 

[DPMaster]

Purple Tits

Way back about two days ago, Jon made a comment in passing that wasn't wholely accurate. He said, "Yep that's right those real dark purples are just a digital trick."

Well, yes and no.

Some of them are. With a good photo processing program, an equally strong eye for color, and a steady hand, one can digitally alter the color of breasts, nipples, or whatever, and it is done frequently - and many times badly.

That doesn't mean that they all are. Quite the contrary. Many of the purple breasts you see are really that color. There is one photograph out there that I've seen several times that I have on very good authority as being accurate that depicts a woman whose formerly lovely knockers are tied an incredibly dark purple and whose nipples are dripping equally dark other than milk. Not good.

Which brings us back to MissTaken's observation, also noted by Jon. Dark purple is good for fruits, but not for living tissue, particularly for any length of time. I'm generally a "do unto others as long as they agree" kind of guy, but carrying your breast bondage to these extremes "just ain't right."

Regardless of what a well trained submissive might agree to, it's just as much the responsibility of the person on top to see to it that those knockers can be enjoyed by both of them another day.

 

[FungiUg]

Purple tits so do not appeal!

I'm not really into rope play, but I have used tape for breast bondage. That was kinda fun.

I tend to like nipple decorations -- piercings, or clamps with chains.

I've also been known to spank and bite breasts.

Mostly though... I like looking at them. A nice slutty outfit which shows off lots of bust is always appreciated! I like them in all shapes and sizes as well (except hairy.)

Of course, I also like looking at legs, and bums, and faces... so I don't think I qualify as a "tit man". Oh well. I'm just one of life's little failures I guess.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Breast Worship

ouch !!!!

It only hurts for a little while. For some reason my boys find it erotic, go figure.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

<snip> I tend to like nipple decorations -- piercings, or clamps with chains.<snip>

I don't know about other's experience, i'd be interested in hearing though. My nipples are pierced with 12g curved barbells. They have made my nipples so ultra-sensitive that it has limited nipple play to no clips or clamps on my nipples. As i posted earlier...it's an instant RED for me. It's something i just freak out about....

I can tolerate pulling on them, and a slow build up of pressure, and even weights hanging from the rings, but clamping down on the nipple and i'm sunk. Anyone else who is pierced have this issue of hypersensitivity?

~anelize

 

[Richard49]

Re: Re: Re: Breast Worship

It only hurts for a little while. For some reason my boys find it erotic, go figure.

My nipples are very sensitive
as sensitive as any womans I have meet/played with

but pain is a no no

 

[FungiUg]

I like having my nipples played with, licked, bitten... except for some reason, it makes my leg quiver. (just the one!)

 

[JarringJoe]

Be Cautious, My Dear

Miss Taken, I agree with you that breasts are beautiful, regardless of the size, and that they deserve attention. But that is one physical area that is off-limits in our S&M play. The incidence of breast cancer is so high among large-breasted women (my slut is 36C, as are her sisters) that I fear that any physical abuse of them could cause problems.

So, I'll fondle'm, lick'em, tweak'em (gently) and bunch them up for a "titty fuck." But the leather never lands there, nor do my paddle nor my hand. My slut is grateful to receive my cum there, to bare them on my command. But the play stops there.

 

[Richard49]

Re: Re: Re: Breast Worship

It only hurts for a little while. For some reason my boys find it erotic, go figure.

I remember my year of training and the
things that were done to me espeically my nipples
damn
damn

maybe that is why they are so senstitive now
and o much a part of sex play with me

anyway
gentle with me

 

[MissTaken]

Re: Be Cautious, My Dear

Miss Taken, I agree with you that breasts are beautiful, regardless of the size, and that they deserve attention. But that is one physical area that is off-limits in our S&M play. The incidence of breast cancer is so high among large-breasted women (my slut is 36C, as are her sisters) that I fear that any physical abuse of them could cause problems.

So, I'll fondle'm, lick'em, tweak'em (gently) and bunch them up for a "titty fuck." But the leather never lands there, nor do my paddle nor my hand. My slut is grateful to receive my cum there, to bare them on my command. But the play stops there.

Thanks!

I am wondering and almost expect that the frequency of breast cancer in larger breasted women is likely to involve any genetic or hereditary factors?

But yes, some things are always best in moderation.

 

[Pure]

Originally posted by JarringJoe
//Miss Taken, I agree with you that breasts are beautiful, regardless of the size, and that they deserve attention. But that is one physical area that is off-limits in our S&M play. The incidence of breast cancer is so high among large-breasted women (my slut is 36C, as are her sisters) that I fear that any physical abuse of them could cause problems.

So, I'll fondle'm, lick'em, tweak'em (gently) and bunch them up for a "titty fuck." But the leather never lands there, nor do my paddle nor my hand. My slut is grateful to receive my cum there, to bare them on my command. But the play stops there. //

I wonder if there's any data on this; is there a link between 'physcial abuse' and breast cancer? I have heard the theory that a 'blow' to the breast- like a punch of the fist--might years later cause cancer in some.... don't know if it's true. Somehow, though I don't think whipping of the skin with something less than a sjambok is going to have this sort of effect.

Note: I did have a friend with a number of temporary nipple piercings (i.e., dozens, as in torture) , and eventually a couple *benign* growths had to be removed.

 

[DVS]

Everyone has their opinion, and that is their right. But, my opinion is to only carress, nibble, pinch and bite.

I don't mind watching someone being flogged on the breasts, and I have a nylon flogger that is light, but stingy which I will use.

But, when it comes to those lovely mounds, I worship them, as the treasures they are.

For me, breasts were never meant to be spanked, never meant to be pulled, stuck with needles, etc. , although I know all of this is very popular.
I am not even into piercing. And, that includes nose, tongue, eyebrows or lips. We were born with a certain number of holes, and that's all we need. But, the holes she does have are used effectively!


And, I am not saying I am right and everybody who disagrees is wrong. I am only saying this is how I am. I don't see a problem, if all involved are completely consentual in their play, and they are educated enough to know what can happen because of what they do.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Re: Be Cautious, My Dear

Miss Taken, I agree with you that breasts are beautiful, regardless of the size, and that they deserve attention. But that is one physical area that is off-limits in our S&M play. The incidence of breast cancer is so high among large-breasted women (my slut is 36C, as are her sisters) that I fear that any physical abuse of them could cause problems.

So, I'll fondle'm, lick'em, tweak'em (gently) and bunch them up for a "titty fuck." But the leather never lands there, nor do my paddle nor my hand. My slut is grateful to receive my cum there, to bare them on my command. But the play stops there.

Show me the data on this.

Until you do, this RN ain't buying it.

~anelize

 

[MissTaken]

Re: Re: Be Cautious, My Dear

Show me the data on this.

Until you do, this RN ain't buying it.

~anelize

I did some searching on the net and there are lots of sites that suggest a link to breast cancer and lots that don't.

The most compelling and factual thing I found suggested that after excessive breast bondage a lack of blood flow to the breasts can cause mastitis(?) that mimic breast cancer, but are not.

Certainly, caution is essential. Again, those purple boobs just aren't the thang, girlfriend!

 

[Richard49]

Re: Re: Re: Be Cautious, My Dear

I did some searching on the net and there are lots of sites that suggest a link to breast cancer and lots that don't.

The most compelling and factual thing I found suggested that after excessive breast bondage a lack of blood flow to the breasts can cause mastitis(?) that mimic breast cancer, but are not.

Certainly, caution is essential. Again, those purple boobs just aren't the thang, girlfriend!

any connection between breast cancer and
1) clamps
2) pinching
3) paddling/flogging

 

[Pure]

Injury and Cancer?

Some results of a brief search:

This is very thorough outline of safety issues in bdsm 'dungeon' play; appears carefully researched. Mentions only 'lumps' 'necrosis' as consequences of injury to breast.

Mistress Pandora
http://www.mistresspandora.com/safety.html

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On the breast issue, this is the best I found. In short, no evidence was located by me in this short search, linking blows to cancer.

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/6251/medical.htm

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webpage on women's boxing

This is an article on dangers; stressing head injury and the general problem of danger in a number of sports.

"Injuries in Women's Boxing"

by Julie Morgan

Finally, there is one strictly female issue: the danger of taking punches to the breasts. Many women wonder if this may increase their risk of breast cancer. My doctor (who is unhappy about boxing in general but does understand the many benefits of women's sports) says there is no good evidence for an increased risk to boxers. Trauma to the breast can however cause a condition called fat necrosis, in which part of the tissue dies and becomes a hard lump. (Fat in other areas apparently does not react this way, so the effect may be hormone-related). Fat necrosis is non-cancerous. In that sense it is harmless.

However, you may have to contend with the emotional shock of finding a lump, and the possibility that it could conceal or complicate diagnosis of a more serious condition. Breast protection can and should be worn by women boxers, but it must be admitted that its effectiveness is limited. Women who box must simply weigh this risk, among many others, against the improved feelings of self-esteem and control, and greatly enhance overall fitness, that come from boxing. Fear of breast cancer should not be, all by itself, a reason not to box. This is an issue that may require much more study, however.

Please also remember that I am not a doctor. I have simply talked to some doctors and have read about these issues and I am writing about my understanding of them as a lay person.

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With all due respect DVS, the personal tastes of dom/mes and subs is not really the issue here. It's after all, most 'straight' person's 'taste' that there be no breast or bodily 'abuse'--whipping, etc-- at all.


J.

 

[AnelizeDarkEyes]

Re: Re: Re: Be Cautious, My Dear

I did some searching on the net and there are lots of sites that suggest a link to breast cancer and lots that don't.

The most compelling and factual thing I found suggested that after excessive breast bondage a lack of blood flow to the breasts can cause mastitis(?) that mimic breast cancer, but are not.

Certainly, caution is essential. Again, those purple boobs just aren't the thang, girlfriend!

I don't dispute that repeated injury is a problem. And of COURSE, purple boobs aren't the thang.

Here's the sentence that i have a distinct problem with.

Originally posted by JarringJoe
The incidence of breast cancer is so high among large-breasted women

THIS one i want to see the data on. I've been an taking lumps out of women's breasts for the last several years as an OR nurse. Large and small and all sizes in between....my informal memory bank survey tells me that larger doesn't mean squat. This statement strikes me as somewhat ridiculous from a medical point of view. Show me the research, JarringJoe.

~anelize

 

[Pure]

Miss T has indicated--as I read her--that several sites have facts linking large breast size to cancer. Jarring Joe says size is a big risk.


Miss T
I did some searching on the net and there are lots of sites that suggest a link to breast cancer and lots that don't. [.i]

She appears to be talking about size and/or abuse.

Anelize questions this size idea, and I do also.

Here is some evidence against the 'size' hypothesis, of a negative sort, i.e., LACK of mention of it. If you go to a 'risk assessment' site and see the 'risk factors,' largeness is NOT among them.

Several sites on causes of breast cancer including chemicals in the environment, do not get into 'size.'

I would ask Jarring or Ms T to give some respectable data and sites, esp. since Ms. T says there are "lots of sites".

The data from some good sites suggests NO size linkage; the only linkages that may be there, so far as I can see, and related to size would seem to be 1) race [white] 2) obesity, 3) possibly taking estrogen [which would increase size]. None of this has to do with 'God given size'.


Here are some of the websites in question:

National cancer institute

risk assessment
http://bcra.nci.nih.gov/brc/q1.htm

silicone implants
http://cancer.gov/newscenter/siliconebreast

http://rex.nci.nih.gov/MAMMOG_WEB/PUBS_POSTERS/WYNTK_BREAST/BREAST/promise.htm

The following are some of the known risk factors for breast cancer:
Age. The risk of breast cancer increases as a woman gets older. Most breast cancers occur in women over the age of 50; the risk is especially high for women over 60. This disease is uncommon in women under the age of 35.

Family history. The risk of getting breast cancer increases for a woman whose mother, sister, or daughter has had the disease. The woman's risk increases more if her relative's cancer developed before menopause or if it affected both breasts. About 5 percent of women with breast cancer have a hereditary form of this disease. These women usually develop breast cancer at a younger age (before menopause), and they have multiple family members with the disease.

Personal history. The risk of breast cancer is greater than average in women who have had lobular carcinoma in situ. About 25 percent of women diagnosed with this condition develop invasive breast cancer. Also, women who have had breast cancer face an increased risk of getting breast cancer again. As many as 10 to 15 percent of women treated for breast cancer (or ductal carcinoma in situ) get a second primary (new) breast cancer later on. Other risk factors for breast cancer include starting to menstruate at an early age (before 12) or having a late menopause (after 55). The risk is also greater in women who had their first child after the age of 30 and those who never had children.

These factors are all related to a woman's natural hormones. At this time, no one knows whether the risk of breast cancer is affected by taking medicines that contain hormones (either for birth control, to treat infertility, or as estrogen replacement therapy to control symptoms of menopause). Scientists hope to find the answer to this important question by studying a large number of women taking part in hormone-related research.

Many women are concerned about benign breast conditions. For most women, the ordinary "lumpiness" they feel in their breasts does not increase their risk of breast cancer. However, women who have had breast biopsies that show certain benign changes in breast tissues, such as atypical hyperplasia, do have an increased risk of breast cancer.

Scientists are exploring other possible risk factors for breast cancer. For example, research is in progress to determine whether the risk of breast cancer is affected by environmental factors. Pesticides, electromagnetic fields, engine exhausts, and contaminants in water and food are some of the environmental factors under study.

Some aspects of a woman's lifestyle may affect her chances of developing breast cancer. For example, some studies point to a slightly higher risk of breast cancer among women who drink alcohol. The risk appears to go up with the amount of alcohol consumed, so women who drink should do so only in moderation.Scientists are trying to learn whether having an abortion or a miscarriage increases the risk of breast cancer. Thus far, studies have produced conflicting evidence, and this question is still unresolved.

Older women who are overweight seem to have a greater risk of breast cancer. Although the possible link between diet and breast cancer is still under study, some scientists believe that choosing a low-fat diet, eating well-balanced meals with plenty of fruits and vegetables, and maintaining ideal weight may lower a woman's risk. Also, recent studies suggest that regular exercise may decrease the risk of breast cancer in younger women.

Women who are at high risk for breast cancer can take part in a study of the drug tamoxifen, which is often used to treat breast cancer patients. This nationwide study is designed to help doctors learn whether tamoxifen can prevent breast cancer in these women. The Cancer Information Service can provide information about this study.

What is obvious to Jarring Joe seems not obvious to medical researchers.
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On the subject of injury, again, it's negative evidence, but no site has listed injury to breast as a risk factor or cause, and one related issue (silicone implants, see above) seems NOT linked to cancer but to some other probs.

Best regards,

J.

 

[Bachlum Chaam]

It appears that unlike many of you that like to flog,slap,paddle and tie up. for myself I just love them tending to be more a nipple man I appreciate the roundness,softness everything about them ,would rather not strike in any way.
Coming over all unnecessary now I really need to stop this