The second definition in the OP is how the word "liberal" is used in American political discourse, now and for almost a hundred years past, whatever the Brittanica might say different.
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What "liberal" means
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The second definition in the OP is how the word "liberal" is used in American political discourse, now and for almost a hundred years past, whatever the Brittanica might say different.
You know this to be true.
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No it hasn't.
That's more representative of the last 10 years while leftist progressives have tried to hide their authoritarianism behind the label and redefine the term.
Before that liberalism was more like FDR and JFK....alt-reich adjacent by modern progressive standards.
FDR was Commie by your standards -- and by the standards of a lot of his contemporaries, who never called themselves "liberal."
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I'm right and you know it. The OP is the truth.
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Emobo must think those noble words that proclaimed the freedoms of the United States actually applied to ALL people living in the United States, and were practiced with unfailing fidelity throughout its history.
The truth is; those freedoms were never intended to apply to "lesser" people, which required those excluded from the old rich white boys club to fight for their right to those freedoms.
They are still fighting.
If the founding WHITE FATHERS hadn't created an uneven playing field from the beginning, the conversation would be very different today.
Undoubtably that ^ conversation would be much more civil and balanced.
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Emobo must think those noble words that proclaimed the freedoms of the United States actually applied to ALL people living in the United States, and were practiced with unfailing fidelity throughout its history.
The truth is; those freedoms were never intended to apply to "lesser" people, which required those excluded from the old rich white boys club to fight for their right to those freedoms.
They are still fighting.
If the founding WHITE FATHERS hadn't created an uneven playing field from the beginning, the conversation would be very different today.
Undoubtably that ^ conversation would be much more civil and balanced.
*nods*
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Again.
Academic citation > public consensus citation (wiki) > BiasWiki
You're NOT right, that's why you have to go to BiasWiki to get support. You might as well be citing alternet, RAW, Jacobin or Salon as a reliable source, it's laughable.
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RationalWiki is not Wikipedia, it has a stated bias -- towards rationality and science. It has no LW bias. You won't find a good word for Communism in RationalWiki, and not many for socialism.
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Well, you're wrong, and Rationalwiki says that you're wrong. RW admits that they do have a bias, although they downplay it to be "slight".
I should hope that nobody on this board would see a bias against "religious fundamentalism and far-right extremism" as in any way casting doubt on RationalWiki's credibility.
Britannica...."liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others, but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that gives government the power necessary to protect individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from abusing that power."
..... Britannica isn't an acceptable source after elementary.school.bjt I chose to include it.
..... Britannica isn't an acceptable source after elementary.school.bjt I chose to include it.
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I think if you read the quote, they clearly state that they are not here to be neutral and they have a left leaning bias.
..this is them saying it. Let's be rational and listen to them.
Merriam.....https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism
"Full Definition of liberalism
1: the quality or state of being liberal
2aoften capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see GOLD STANDARD sense 1)
c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see AUTONOMY sense 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)
dcapitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal (see LIBERAL entry 1 sense 6b) party
"Full Definition of liberalism
1: the quality or state of being liberal
2aoften capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see GOLD STANDARD sense 1)
c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see AUTONOMY sense 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties
specifically : such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)
dcapitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal (see LIBERAL entry 1 sense 6b) party
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https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/liberalism
1Willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
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1.1The holding of political views that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
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1.2Theology The belief that many traditional beliefs are dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2A political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
‘representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism’
1Willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas.
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1.1The holding of political views that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.
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1.2Theology The belief that many traditional beliefs are dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2A political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
‘representative democracy operates under the principles of classical liberalism’
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/
"Liberalism is more than one thing ..."
For an indepth examination follow this link
"Liberalism is more than one thing ..."
For an indepth examination follow this link
A great examination.of where folks go wrong...folks like Bobo.
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/00/11/26/specials/schlesinger-debate.html?_r=1
"The liberal believes that society can and should be improved and that the way to improve it is to apply the human intelligence to social and economic problems.
The conservative, on balance, opposes efforts at purposeful change because he believes that things are about as good as they can be reasonably expected to be, and that any change is more likely than not to be for the worse."
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/00/11/26/specials/schlesinger-debate.html?_r=1
"The liberal believes that society can and should be improved and that the way to improve it is to apply the human intelligence to social and economic problems.
The conservative, on balance, opposes efforts at purposeful change because he believes that things are about as good as they can be reasonably expected to be, and that any change is more likely than not to be for the worse."
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/11/09/beyond-red-vs-blue-the-political-typology-2/
Pew makes a distinct difference between liberals and conservatives.
Pew makes a distinct difference between liberals and conservatives.
And between several kinds of each.
This one I like because it assigns emotional traits to liberal or conservative.
So, "fearful" is not a liberal trait....it's more likely a conservative trait....and who is fearful here?
https://www.businessinsider.com/psychological-differences-between-conservatives-and-liberals-2018-2
And...."Bots, pundits, and hate groups have taken advantage of these widening differences on social media, in an attempt to drive Americans' opinions even further apart. ". Yep, this is true
So, "fearful" is not a liberal trait....it's more likely a conservative trait....and who is fearful here?
https://www.businessinsider.com/psychological-differences-between-conservatives-and-liberals-2018-2
And...."Bots, pundits, and hate groups have taken advantage of these widening differences on social media, in an attempt to drive Americans' opinions even further apart. ". Yep, this is true
The evolution of Classical liberalism to New Deal Liberalism which is the predecessor of today's Liberal/Liberalism.
https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...-liberalism-morphed-into-new-deal-liberalism/
And I had to add this in, it is just too good not to.
FDR listed the new rights he now considered to be fundamental to the American way of life:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation.
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living.
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad.
The right of every family to a decent home.
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.
The right to a good education.
FDR tied these rights to the struggle then underway to win the war. “America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.
https://www.americanprogress.org/ar...-liberalism-morphed-into-new-deal-liberalism/
And I had to add this in, it is just too good not to.
FDR listed the new rights he now considered to be fundamental to the American way of life:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the Nation.
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living.
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad.
The right of every family to a decent home.
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment.
The right to a good education.
FDR tied these rights to the struggle then underway to win the war. “America’s own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for our citizens.
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You can lie to yourself with that bullshit all you like, I've seen otherwise.
No better than a RAW opinion piece.
You've never shown otherwise. Can you find a single article in RationalWiki that shows a LW bias? Start your search with the section on Communism.
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Yes it is, and none of those thing include the kind of centralized totalitarian Democrat control over EVERYTHING that you and other Democrats do.
How is that where I go wrong??
I support that quote 100%.
The difference between you (an authoritarian progressive) and I (an actual liberal) is that I don't conflate human intelligence with the sledge hammer of federal authority.
That isn't liberal in any way shape or form.....no matter how much you call it liberal, the totalitarian nanny state, never will be liberal.
