Who the hell

the toxicity stems from the drip drip drip of Senna's insults and attitudes, accusations and posturing. why is his toxicity allowed to poison the well from which we all drink and not be challenged? why is the one challenging poor judgement, perceived hypocrisy, and Senna's ugly attitudes the one being asked to leave? there's room here for everyone, as Angeline pointed out.

when those who react to Senna are called out over it, and he appears to be 'shielded', there will inevitably be an overspill of anger. it's all about perceived fairness. Tsotha was here to write, and left more comments than many of the older regulars. i feel it a great shame, and a noticeable loss to the posting quality, that he feels driven away from this site.

with the best will in the world, there might be three mods to this forum but it seems Angeline is left having to do all the moderating. it's a thankless task, time-consuming, and there's not one mod in christendom or any other dom who could get it right all the time.
In the past, I have called Senna on his nonsense too. It doesn't matter. I am sorry a post gets blown out of proportion and yet, the passive aggression still hovers over it all.

I'm sorry Tsotha. I'm sorry you feel I've insulted you by calling your behaviour toxic and that you imagine I've said you should go. I did not. Just because some of what Senna posts is just as poisonous doesn't exclude anyone else from wearing that label (including me and yes, I know that just by answering the cries of "Foul play" I'm contributing). So, if calling this prolonged confrontation toxic is an insult, let me know, then you bet I'll change my tune. I did not say you should stop posting here. I simply said that if you dislike moderation, post on a forum that isn't moderated - or not - do what you want. I don't care.

I posted some words. You don't agree. Beg your pardon.
 
In the past, I have called Senna on his nonsense too. It doesn't matter. I am sorry a post gets blown out of proportion and yet, the passive aggression still hovers over it all.

I'm sorry Tsotha. I'm sorry you feel I've insulted you by calling your behaviour toxic and that you imagine I've said you should go. I did not. Just because some of what Senna posts is just as poisonous doesn't exclude anyone else from wearing that label (including me and yes, I know that just by answering the cries of "Foul play" I'm contributing). So, if calling this prolonged confrontation toxic is an insult, let me know, then you bet I'll change my tune. I did not say you should stop posting here. I simply said that if you dislike moderation, post on a forum that isn't moderated - or not - do what you want. I don't care.

I posted some words. You don't agree. Beg your pardon.

I realize you don't have any obligation to wallow through 50k words of non-poetry and tension in the poetry forum, and my apology to you is sincere. I'm sorry I have bothered you. It wasn't my intention.

However, your message implies that you believe I do not want moderation, and that isn't true — because I do, I want moderation, and I wish rules were applied consistently, to all. Not only are rules not applied to Senna Jawa, he doesn't get so much as a reprimand after insulting others. I was willing to accept that rules don't apply to him, and I've been ignoring Senna for *weeks*, but now Angeline has decided to accuse "people" of goading Senna Jawa, putting a slant to the situation that, honestly, just makes me sick.

You can, of course, use whatever words you wish. You've chosen "toxic" for my behavior, and I accept that, because it is true — and it is true because it is what I've made you feel. I'm not insulted that you've called me toxic, I'm sad that I'm toxic to someone. And I'd keep being toxic, because I cannot ignore a moderator, and how she chooses to portray those who react to Senna Jawa's bullying. That's also why I'm not coming back here, to stop bothering people like you.

(It isn't really "leaving" if one comes back to reply when addressed, right...? Yeah, I know. Of course, I'm still around, I just don't plan to socialize and write poetry here anymore. I just thought Champ's message deserved to get a reply. Poof. Gone again.)
 
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I realize you don't have any obligation to wallow through 50k words of non-poetry and tension in the poetry forum, and my apology to you is sincere. I'm sorry I have bothered you. It wasn't my intention.

However, your message implies that you believe I do not want moderation, and that isn't true — because I do, I want moderation, and I wish rules were applied consistently, to all. Not only are rules not applied to Senna Jawa, he doesn't get so much as a reprimand after insulting others. I was willing to accept that rules don't apply to him, and I've been ignoring Senna for *weeks*, but now Angeline has decided to accuse "people" of goading Senna Jawa, putting a slant to the situation that, honestly, just makes me sick.

You can, of course, use whatever words you wish. You've chosen "toxic" for my behavior, and I accept that, because it is true — and it is true because it is what I've made you feel. I'm not insulted that you've called me toxic, I'm sad that I'm toxic to someone. And I'd keep being toxic, because I cannot ignore a moderator, and how she chooses to portray those who react to Senna Jawa's bullying. That's also why I'm not coming back here, to stop bothering people like you.

(It isn't really "leaving" if one comes back to reply when addressed, right...? Yeah, I know. Of course, I'm still around, I just don't plan to socialize and write poetry here anymore. I just thought Champ's message deserved to get a reply. Poof. Gone again.)
That is part of the problem, people jump in without knowing the full story, don't read, and react to what they think is going on.
Personally I find it hilarious that the In's, react to when 2 outs jump on another out, but at least is served a purpose, bounce the outs out of Poetry, feedback and discussion. To make PFD safe from non standard feedback and certainly discussion.
i.e. deviationists, as defined.
Upchuckingly, uproarious.
More Interviews, puhlease.
The name of the game is fair when the In's jump on the out, it gets dangerous if two outs show up, eh?
 
That is part of the problem, people jump in without knowing the full story, don't read, and react to what they think is going on.
Personally I find it hilarious that the In's, react to when 2 outs jump on another out, but at least is served a purpose, bounce the outs out of Poetry, feedback and discussion. To make PFD safe from non standard feedback and certainly discussion.
i.e. deviationists, as defined.
Upchuckingly, uproarious.
More Interviews, puhlease.
The name of the game is fair when the In's jump on the out, it gets dangerous if two outs show up, eh?

With all that in and out, someone's sure to get fucked.
 
I realize you don't have any obligation to wallow through 50k words of non-poetry and tension in the poetry forum, and my apology to you is sincere. I'm sorry I have bothered you. It wasn't my intention.
Accepted. I should have chosen better words and made the post less directed at you and more general castigation to all. We alone choose our reading and I shouldn't have let this beef get to me.

However, your message implies that you believe I do not want moderation, and that isn't true — because I do, I want moderation, and I wish rules were applied consistently, to all. Not only are rules not applied to Senna Jawa, he doesn't get so much as a reprimand after insulting others. I was willing to accept that rules don't apply to him, and I've been ignoring Senna for *weeks*, but now Angeline has decided to accuse "people" of goading Senna Jawa, putting a slant to the situation that, honestly, just makes me sick.

You can, of course, use whatever words you wish. You've chosen "toxic" for my behavior, and I accept that, because it is true — and it is true because it is what I've made you feel. I'm not insulted that you've called me toxic, I'm sad that I'm toxic to someone. And I'd keep being toxic, because I cannot ignore a moderator, and how she chooses to portray those who react to Senna Jawa's bullying. That's also why I'm not coming back here, to stop bothering people like you.
Bullshit. I refuse to have that kind of power over someone who cares about poetry and gains so much enjoyment from it. I AM NOT YOUR REASON FOR NOT PARTICIPATING ON THIS FORUM. OWN YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY. You are making this decision and it's about not feeling comfortable but it's not because you're bothering me.

(It isn't really "leaving" if one comes back to reply when addressed, right...? Yeah, I know. Of course, I'm still around, I just don't plan to socialize and write poetry here anymore. I just thought Champ's message deserved to get a reply. Poof. Gone again.)
Sad you're not writing. And maybe someday we'll manage to find a way around the bitterness in our acquaintance. I hate that you think I am responsible for you not participating here.
 
That is part of the problem, people jump in without knowing the full story, don't read, and react to what they think is going on.
Personally I find it hilarious that the In's, react to when 2 outs jump on another out, but at least is served a purpose, bounce the outs out of Poetry, feedback and discussion. To make PFD safe from non standard feedback and certainly discussion.
i.e. deviationists, as defined.
Upchuckingly, uproarious.
More Interviews, puhlease.
The name of the game is fair when the In's jump on the out, it gets dangerous if two outs show up, eh?
I disagree. Who the fuck said I didn't know the whole story besides YOU? Who the fuck said I was an "IN" (whatever in hell that means) with an agenda to bounce anyone out of whatever the hell you think this is?

Jesus. Please reconsider that insinuation and realize that this is the most I've done here in months. I am not one of the cool kids, I'm not an in or an out. I was simply annoyed that this shit came up again as if the argument is the tragic vomitus of a bulemic teenager. If I'd jumped in the whole mess earlier on, maybe my comment would have been more easily ignored. I'm still calling a spade a spade and I know who else is part of that suit of cards with me.

I am going to try to become less vitriolic and more of a TUMS™ kinda girl and stop causing heartburn.
 
champer's statement above.

thing is, has Tsotha ever said he didn't care for moderation? i feel that's an unfair slant to put on the conversation - don't we all want moderation that's fair, useful, and as unobtrusive as possible?
IF ffs. I said IF. Since when has a possibility ever carried the weight of a truth?
 
Bullshit. I refuse to have that kind of power over someone who cares about poetry and gains so much enjoyment from it. I AM NOT YOUR REASON FOR NOT PARTICIPATING ON THIS FORUM. OWN YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY. You are making this decision and it's about not feeling comfortable but it's not because you're bothering me.

I did not express myself well, it seems. I decided to not use this forum anymore because I'm not comfortable, and I'm not comfortable because my reaction to being insulted and falsely accused is seen as an inconvenience. It's either shut up and conform or leave.

Of course, interestingly, I've received a large support over PM and e-mail from people who actually frequent this forum, and read poems, and comment, while the people inconvenienced are a handful who are around once every two months and can't be bothered to read or comment poems and, much less, understand this conflict before speaking their mind. Which leads me to question myself: what is it in my personality that leads me to care what these people, who care nothing for my feelings or comfort, but only for their phony "friendly and happy environment", think/feel?

Hm. Thank you, Champ. You can send me the bill for this therapy session later.
 
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I must say I'm a trifle puzzled as to what not using this forum means having just come from reading a poem you just posted in another thread. Senna and I have had 'words' in the past, now we ignore each other for the most part although nobody in here is actually on 'ignore' even ones I've had bigger spats with. If I'm not interested in what they have to say I move on. If they say something specifically to me that is less than friendly they'll probably get a rude reply and I move on. As I'm finding out personally this week life's too short to keep fighting and bemoaning my lot.
 
I must say I'm a trifle puzzled as to what not using this forum means having just come from reading a poem you just posted in another thread. Senna and I have had 'words' in the past, now we ignore each other for the most part although nobody in here is actually on 'ignore' even ones I've had bigger spats with. If I'm not interested in what they have to say I move on. If they say something specifically to me that is less than friendly they'll probably get a rude reply and I move on. As I'm finding out personally this week life's too short to keep fighting and bemoaning my lot.

Implied in my post above, is that I don't care what the people feeling "inconvenienced" by me think, since they don't care that I am inconvenienced myself. Thus, I removed the reason why I felt I needed to leave, and I'm still here (to be with those who are my friends). Are you still puzzled?
 
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Man. This thread puts my dick in the dirt. It's a pity too since I haven't been in the mood to write erotic poetry in awhile.
 
Man. This thread puts my dick in the dirt. It's a pity too since I haven't been in the mood to write erotic poetry in awhile.

I haven't been in the mood to write here for weeks now. :mad: It gets more and more like the GB every day. :rolleyes:

Come and talk to me in HERE even if you don't want to write you can wait in anticipation for what Remec makes of the subject I just gave him and who knows you may like a subject too!
 
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