Why is Anonymous allowed to rant?

Dr. Bull said:
I appreciate everyone’s thoughts and agree with most. I was blasted by a fool who gave no feed back. His inability to articulate the problem with my prose should have given me an inkling of his lack of education.

There now I feel better.

I agree Tara; Loving wives should be just about anything in a married couples lives outside the missionary position. Perhaps it would be best to have a stranger watch from afar and make it an E&V, it is sad to be chased from an area you like to write in by troll & fools.
So I say...Don't do it! Write what you want, post it where you want and if the trolls hit, copy the comment into the worst comments thread where we can all get a good laugh. If you let them chase you away, you are letting them win. I used to have a thin skin. Now I look at the bad comments, take what I can get out of them if it's worth while and laugh at the rest.

Sometimes, a very brave author will take it upon themselves to write a troll story and blast a few of the nasty ones out of the water for everyone else to laugh at.

Write what you like, enjoy the site and use the forum to blast at the nasty trolls.

Good luck :rose:
 
Before I created an account I was one of those idiots which posted a comment on the Loving Wives section. It took me a while to warm up to the idea of having an ID. It's just not my thing. Nevertheless, I wanted to say that I think the Loving Wives section is a fun genre; some of those stories are interesting, thought-provoking and emotional. They can be funny and witty likes the ones created by Harddaysnight. They can be plot driven, very touching and complicated likes the ones by Patricia51. Two of my favorite stories were created by a challenge between Marsh and Sweetwitch. These stories were so different, truly creative just based on one line, “Forget the Bitch, Gimme the Drink.”

I have raised my eyebrows with some of the stories in the Loving Wives section. I’ve shaken my head and moved to the next, then found one which made me laugh, sigh or cry. I imagine that these stories can either provoke accolades or derogatory comments, especially since many times “Loving Wives” seems an oxymoron. But this is the most “human” category--one in which readers will identify in a positive or negative way. The more comments you see, the more the author struck a nerve. But isn’t that what an author is supposed to do, to make a reader think and feel?

Nevertheless, there is no excuse for some of the comments posted by someone anonymously. These people have serious problems that have nothing to do with your story. They are not capable of separating the author from the story or separating fact from fiction. Sometimes I think it’s just one person, writing over and over the same thing no matter the story or category it has been written in. Just know that this is not the general consensus of the readers. I am grateful for each and every story that has been posted in this site. You are doing something that most of us will never do: write a story. I can't apologize for comments made by idiots, but I can say thank you for the entertainment and give you a cyber hug.

Jennylo
 
Reminds me of a story...

Why does the LW catagory attract so many trolls? Here's a little analogy:

I was walking down the street the other day with my 2 Toy Fox Terriers. A woman, clearly out of her mind, started mumbling something at me about my dogs. I asked, "What?", but she kept walking. But as she walked, she got louder and louder until I could hear clear at the end of the block, screaming at me, "You know your ass is cursed! You know your ass is cursed!"

OK, I got a little mad at first, then a little hurt. Why was this person, who I don't even know, yelling at me like this? And then it dawned on me-- she wasn't yelling at me. She was yelling at the voices in her head. She was yelling at her own demons, and it was something about my dogs that set her off. I, of course, will never know what it was that upset her.

And that, my friends, is a troll.
 
A perspective on Anonymous commentary

I was startled by a very negative comment by Anonymous about one of my stories but, on a second reading of it, I realized that he or she had really made a comment about himself or herself rather than about the quality of the story. Perhaps a number of the offensive comments about your work do the same thing.
 
If you want good constructive criticism about you writing you are going to have to pay for it in a writing class you have enrolled in.
Lit is free to post on the boards and post and read stories. Because it is free you get all kinds of fruits, nuts, trolls and keyboard warriors. They even let me in!
Write for yourself. If 1000 people read your story some will like it some won't. So what! They read the story for free! Do you get paid for this? If not then why worry over it? They ain't the boss, just some internet idiot.
Be true to yourself.
No one else will.
 
grains of salt, all around

The juxtaposition of these two comments, left on the same chapter of the same story, and left within hours of each other, is too amusing:

again, head games (score: 00)
11/12/07 By: Anonymous
this isn't even about head games between Conrad and Devan and Vaughn, now YOU are playing head games with your readers. giving little bits of story and leaving cliffhangers. it's not succesful though because like the person who left the message about feeling claustrophobic, i'm feeling *disgusted* by the story. there is no more enjoyment to it. now it's this sick, twisted story about a psychopath who enjoys torturing two people who love each other. not a fun read. i hate it. it's as if you're writing simply to try and surprise people or be "different" or unexpected. it doesn't work.


Inspirational (score: 100)
11/12/07 By: Anonymous
I am truly amazed at having found something like this on the internet. This story is some of the best writing I have ever read.


Also in the grain of salt category, re: voting averages, I'm re-posting the story that inspired these two...disparate comments, after I took it down once because it looked like it was going to be published. The average score on all chapters is way lower, this time around. Same story, different reception. Two chapters also got the little green 'E's the first time around, and bupkiss this time. Maybe my upload is getting shoddy? :)
 
First time posting here, but I will say this:

I was an old time writer, 15 years ago long dead writer, where the internet was nothing more than a blazing 3200 baud telephone connection, and postal was not a term we used to talk about disgruntled post office personnel.

I use to write for magazine, and I can tell you the editors are just as bad as some of the Ano people who post. I had one tell me, "Drop it, come back to it, or don't come back to it at all."

Needless to say I went to college after that graduated top of my class for litrature, and sci-fi and fantasy writings, and went to be a computer nerd :p

I am waiting for my first story to be published in nearly 10 years on this site. It will be interesting to see what happens... what I can say though is that people here are correct.

To write in a setting where the public can comment, or even in a professional setting, you need a thick skin, if you don't have one, grow one quick or your attempts of being an author is going to be very short indeed.
 
Varian P said:
The juxtaposition of these two comments, left on the same chapter of the same story, and left within hours of each other, is too amusing:

again, head games (score: 00)
11/12/07 By: Anonymous
this isn't even about head games between Conrad and Devan and Vaughn, now YOU are playing head games with your readers. giving little bits of story and leaving cliffhangers. it's not succesful though because like the person who left the message about feeling claustrophobic, i'm feeling *disgusted* by the story. there is no more enjoyment to it. now it's this sick, twisted story about a psychopath who enjoys torturing two people who love each other. not a fun read. i hate it. it's as if you're writing simply to try and surprise people or be "different" or unexpected. it doesn't work.


Inspirational (score: 100)
11/12/07 By: Anonymous
I am truly amazed at having found something like this on the internet. This story is some of the best writing I have ever read.


Also in the grain of salt category, re: voting averages, I'm re-posting the story that inspired these two...disparate comments, after I took it down once because it looked like it was going to be published. The average score on all chapters is way lower, this time around. Same story, different reception. Two chapters also got the little green 'E's the first time around, and bupkiss this time. Maybe my upload is getting shoddy? :)
I know that story, glad it is back. It is one of my all time favourites. Guess I'll just have to go and spend sometime getting reacquainted (and voting again ;)). Varian, I ain't gonna comment again, but damn I love your work!
 
I know this isn't the worst but I even stated at the beginning this was my first try and that I wasn't a writer.....Did they put in the MIT part to be impressive?



Written by a Machine?
11/12/07 by Anonymous in Boston (MIT)
Cold, clinical, aloof - perhaps written by an AutoWriter, such as they use for first drafts of sitcoms?


I would love real feedback before I post the second part if anyone cares to comment. Unless that is real feedback...and I am taking it to heart and trying to make sure what I write seems somewhat real(for a fantasy).

Alirk
 
alirk said:
I know this isn't the worst but I even stated at the beginning this was my first try and that I wasn't a writer.....Did they put in the MIT part to be impressive?



Written by a Machine?
11/12/07 by Anonymous in Boston (MIT)
Cold, clinical, aloof - perhaps written by an AutoWriter, such as they use for first drafts of sitcoms?


I would love real feedback before I post the second part if anyone cares to comment. Unless that is real feedback...and I am taking it to heart and trying to make sure what I write seems somewhat real(for a fantasy).

Alirk

There are conditions in which that feedback could be pointing precisely to a "real" problem with a story. No index to the story, so no telling if it applies to your story. It isn't "bad" or irrelevant comment if the story comes across a terse, cold, and clinical to a set of readers. Perhaps the MIT reference signals that the reader would know clinical writing when he/she saw it, as scientific writing can easily come across in this way.
 
alirk said:
Would you care to give my your opinion?

Umm, no, probably not. Sorry. I do that professionally, so I rarely go on a busman's holiday. Sometimes I might do it on a whim or out of sudden curiosity--and I might do that on this one too at some point. But I'm on a deadline edit of someone's story now; just came here to clear my mind for a couple of minutes when I made the previous comment and this one--just didn't want you to dismiss what could be on-point and helpful comment. The comments weren't really in the realm of the usual "this eats shit" nonspecific type of comment that signals bad or irrelevant comment.
 
alirk said:
I know this isn't the worst but I even stated at the beginning this was my first try and that I wasn't a writer.....Did they put in the MIT part to be impressive?



Written by a Machine?
11/12/07 by Anonymous in Boston (MIT)
Cold, clinical, aloof - perhaps written by an AutoWriter, such as they use for first drafts of sitcoms?


I would love real feedback before I post the second part if anyone cares to comment. Unless that is real feedback...and I am taking it to heart and trying to make sure what I write seems somewhat real(for a fantasy).

Alirk
Best way to get feedback is to start your own thread (so the request is easily seen) and include a link to the story ;)
 
DocCIS said:
Oooh, I got a good one today. Wasn't a posted comment, instead was anonymously mailed to me, hehehe...

Quote:
This message contains feedback for: DocCIS
About the submission: Annie Babysits the Kids Ch. 04
This feedback was sent by: Anonymous

Comments:

lets see looser story about a looser written by a looser.

So he liked it, eh? :nana: :catroar: :nana:

Looser? So maybe he was commenting on the character's relaxed state of being?

Actually, I received "anon" feedback that was incredibly hateful and violent. It was a little scary thinking that there are people out there that think the only appropriate response to their own feelings of jealousy is to engage in mass murder.

I have to agree with other posters here that the anon people are responding to something in their life that has nothing to do with the merit of your writing. Along with some quite hostile comments, all clearly left by the same person as the style and content of the feedback were uniquely illterate, I received some heartfelt praise by people who were moved by my stories. In the end, I remember the positive or constructive feedback.

Good luck with your future writing and try to avoid being pushed out by someone too cowardly to respond using their own name.
 
alirk said:
I do have a thread started but only one person commented. I do think it maybe that the first part of the story wasn't very interesting.

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=553617

Alirk

OK, I scanned the work, and I see what MIT was trying to get at. It's not a story; it's a short set-up of a story, told pretty much as a TV writer would do as a pitch to the head writer for a story yet to be developed (but, unfortunately, as the producer's son forced on the writers' team would do on his first day on the job--in rambling terms that don't start the head writer's "I can see it" images flowing). The situation is laid out as are the characters, but in "telling" (straight statement) terms, not in "showing" (weaving images for the reader to see for themselves) terms. I don't think it helps to start a story with an editorial comment that you aren't a writer and that this is just an introduction to a story--you set the reader up to agree with both of those negative concepts as they read what you've given.

You switch tenses from paragraph one and two--but only for a sentence. If you switch tenses in a story, there needs to be a dramatic reason to do so--and then it needs to be sustained.

You introduce the characters in one sentence through clinical (agreeing with MIT's point here) body statistics, which is one of the first things that most reviewers on this forum would hop on as "bad" writing. This is the telling/showing thing again. Good writing is not revealing everything in a straightforward (cold--as MIT said) narration by some voice riding above the story--it's showing--weaving a story in a way that has the reader form the character and what's going on in their own minds. Maneuvering the reader into thinking that he/she has discovered this trait or twist him/herself, drawing them into the story, rather than flopping a plate of cold "facts" down in front of them and walking off.

This isn't a complete critique--I just scanned; I didn't read closely.

Think you need to do a lot of reading--and thinking about why some stories drew you in and some didn't--and practice writing like those that drew you in before serving it up (and that you shouldn't give your work the kiss of death by having your first sentence read "I am not a writer").
 
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sr71plt said:
OK, I scanned the work, and I see what MIT was trying to get at. It's not a story; it's a short set-up of a story, told pretty much as a TV writer would do as a pitch to the head writer for a story yet to be developed (but, unfortunately, as the producer's son forced on the writers' team would do on his first day on the job--in rambling terms that don't start the head writer's "I can see it" images flowing). The situation is laid out as are the characters, but in "telling" (straight statement) terms, not in "showing" (weaving images for the reader to see for themselves) terms. I don't think it helps to start a story with an editorial comment that you aren't a writer and that this is just an introduction to a story--you set the reader up to agree with both of those negative concepts as they read what you've given.

You switch tenses from paragraph one and two--but only for a sentence. If you switch tenses in a story, there needs to be a dramatic reason to do so--and then it needs to be sustained.

You introduce the characters in one sentence through clinical (agreeing with MIT's point here) body statistics, which is one of the first things that most reviewers on this forum would hop on as "bad" writing. This is the telling/showing thing again. Good writing is not revealing everything in a straightforward (cold--as MIT said) narration by some voice riding above the story--it's showing--weaving a story in a way that has the reader form the character and what's going on in their own minds. Maneuvering the reader into thinking that he/she has discovered this trait or twist him/herself, drawing them into the story, rather than flopping a plate of cold "facts" down in front of them and walking off.

This isn't a complete critique--I just scanned; I didn't read closely.

Think you need to do a lot of reading--and thinking about why some stories drew you in and some didn't--and practice writing like those that drew you in before serving it up (and that you shouldn't give your work the kiss of death by having your first sentence read "I am not a writer").

Thank you, I really appreciate that you put the effort in to read it and give my a critique. I will keep all your advice in mind as I either rewrite the first part or continue with my story.

Thanks Again.....Alirk
 
I know how you feel!

Hey, I know how you feel. I've gotten emails that tell me I should die and do the world a favor, but when I see that some of my stories have been read over 400,000 times, I know that person needs to go die.
One guy told you to get some thick skin...I say 'HELL NO!' Something does need to be done about this and if you need help with your story page, but that would be another rant....
Be cool and don't let them bother you. I know that it's hard, but fuck them!!!!!!!!!
 
starrkers said:
I know that story, glad it is back. It is one of my all time favourites. Guess I'll just have to go and spend sometime getting reacquainted (and voting again ;)). Varian, I ain't gonna comment again, but damn I love your work!

Thanks, starrkers. :heart:
 
i dont like anonymous because i like to respond to comments i get sometimes. i loev getting comments and then replying to the people who left them, not in a bad way mostly thanking them for reading my story and such. so thats why i dont like anonymous.
 
Give me a brake!

While I can understand that some people may with to use Anonymous to state their views, I also have a problem with not having the ability to respond to them. My favorite was the response I got from one of my last stories.

The comment was something like:

"It's the same story but with two women." and the temperature was gage was on the 0.

What I did was to write the original lesbian story, then edited the original story to make it straight, and posted both of them. In the comments line of the straight version it says

"Straight version of the story."

and the first thing in the text of the straight story it said,

"This is the straight version of the story Bound To Love - "The Bench Wenches" or "How The Rabbit Won The Catfight"

The person commenting had read the straight story first, must have paid no attention to it, and then read the original lesbian version.

That person I would loved to have responded to!

Hell, four times as many people have read the original lesbian version of the story, and 21 people have rated it. And I still have no clue what, if anything people don't like about it.

What I would like to see is the actual ratings numbers even if I don't see who rated the story what. A story can have great ratings by 95 percent of the readers and have a few not like it bring the score down. What I would love to see is if you rate a story below three you have to say why, even if you do it anonymously.
 
I got a feedback from Anonymous on the story I just put up for the Winter Holiday competition...he/she said it was "predictable, but sweet." Well, I know it was predictable--the truth is a good many people's lives are predictable, too. Then he said, "Do you think a story like that could be written today?"

I'd have answered Anonymous had I known who he/she was, but of course I couldn't, because he was Anonymous. To answer him, whoever and wherever he is--no, probably not. That's why it's a period piece.
 
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