Why the Department of Education?

[Politruk]

It serves no valid purpose nor does it provide any value to the taxpayers.

All these things are worth doing.

 

[Rightguide]

How ignorant of you.
School funding is mostly a function of county taxes, with some support at the state level.
The federal government gets involved with Title 1 schools, schools in extreme poverty conditions. They also supply funding for special needs children (physically handicapped, autistic, and presumably any child that shares your DNA) that many counties would not be able to support (or be required to spend a disproportionate amount of money on).

I think your primary animus towards the Department of Education is goals and standards for education they set. You have a long history of not meeting goals or standards so I can see how this is a "hot button" issue for you.

Speaking of not meeting standards, did you ever graduate high school?

The plan is to abolish the federal education bureaucracy, send the money to the states without ideological conditions, and let the states develop their educational systems according to the wishes of their citizens. We need to return to the systems that made the US the economic and political powerhouse it was prior to 1979.

Now, all that said. Tell us about the value of the Academic Deterioration of our education system since the inception of the Federal Department of Education. Explain the focus shifts away from fostering critical thinking, intellectual curiosity, and shifting to a broad-based understanding of various subjects promoting a singular anti-American ideological agenda.

 

[Politruk]

We need to return to the systems that made the US the economic and political powerhouse it was prior to 1979.

That status had nothing to do with education.

 

[Politruk]

Explain the focus shifts away from fostering critical thinking

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[TD]We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixedbeliefs and undermining parental authority.[/TD]
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[TD]—Republican Party of Texas 2012 platform[1][/TD]
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[Rightguide]

I’d love to hear some specific reasons why the DOE should be shut down.

Just inventory the swarms of ignorant political robots populating the nation's campuses wanting a handout instead of a job. It has already been determined that GEN Z people can't keep a job:

https://www.voanews.com/a/forty-per...iring-gen-z-workers-survey-says-/7425325.html
https://theboomerinsight.com/reasons-gen-z-cant-get-a-job-and-why-employers-wont-hire-them/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackke...n-the-workplace-but-theres-more-to-the-story/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022...work-for-you-here-s-how-to-change-their-mind/
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/11/gen-z-job-career-struggle-unemployed
https://thehill.com/business/4074677-gen-zers-make-difficult-employees-managers-say/

 

[Rightguide]

That status had nothing to do with education.

Like hell it didn't. The schools have all but ruined the American work ethic under the U.S. Dept Of Education.

 

[Rightguide]

​

The Department of Education Is Making a Great Case for Its Own Abolition​

Jul 15, 2024 3 min read
Commentary By

Jonathan Butcher@JM_Butcher
Will Skillman Senior Research Fellow in Education Policy

Lindsey M. Burke, PhD@lindseymburke
Director, Center for Education Policy

https://www.heritage.org/education/...education-making-great-case-its-own-abolition

All of the above and the fact that it is unconstitutional to begin with.

 

[Politruk]

Like hell it didn't. The schools have all but ruined the American work ethic under the U.S. Dept Of Education.

It has nothing to do with the work ethic either. The U.S. was an industrial powerhouse then because it had the global manufactures markets pretty much to itself from WII to the mid-1970s, because labor unions were strong, and because American corporations had not started offshoring and outsourcing on a massive scale. It's not a labor problem -- if the old industrial jobs were still there, finding Americans both able and willing to do them would be no challenge at all.

 

[Politruk]

All of the above and the fact that it is unconstitutional to begin with.

 

[Politruk]

What American public schools really need most is equal funding per pupil -- nationwide. And only a federal department could manage that.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Just inventory the swarms of ignorant political robots populating the nation's campuses wanting a handout instead of a job. It has already been determined that GEN Z people can't keep a job:

https://www.voanews.com/a/forty-per...iring-gen-z-workers-survey-says-/7425325.html
https://theboomerinsight.com/reasons-gen-z-cant-get-a-job-and-why-employers-wont-hire-them/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackke...n-the-workplace-but-theres-more-to-the-story/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022...work-for-you-here-s-how-to-change-their-mind/
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/11/gen-z-job-career-struggle-unemployed
https://thehill.com/business/4074677-gen-zers-make-difficult-employees-managers-say/

What does this have to do with Gen Z? If what you’re saying is true older generations should be dealing with the same issues. What specific thing is the Dept of Ed doing that’s making your claim happen?

You’ve of course considered that the Republicans have been in control of the DOE for half of the past 25 years.

 

[UltraChad]

All these things are worth doing.

NOPE....fire them all. ATF and DEA too. Reallocate funding and resources to other more useful endeavors.

 

[pezzheaddazzler]

my opinion on what they it was started years ago and the mentality still persists

1. they push college hard raising the price out of the reach on middle class people or to be financed for decades.
2. make trade schools like 2nd class option (but their the people who keep the lights on and water running and the waste plants flowing and farming making life bearable for the educated that can't change a light bulb or even learn to do it because its below them.

 

[Politruk]

NOPE....fire them all. ATF and DEA too. Reallocate funding and resources to other more useful endeavors.

The department identifies four key functions:[6]

• Establishing policies on federal financial aid for education and distributing as well as monitoring those funds.

That's worth doing.

• 
  Collecting data on America's schools and disseminating research.

That's worth doing.

• Focusing national attention on key educational issues.

That's worth doing.

• Prohibiting discrimination and ensuring equal access to education.

That's worth doing.

And nobody who is not both an asshole and an idiot wants the ATF abolished!

 

[UltraChad]

That's worth doing.

That's worth doing.

That's worth doing.

That's worth doing.

And nobody who is not both an asshole and an idiot wants the ATF abolished!

No, it's not.

And the majority does....even if it doesn't get destroyed by Congress they're putting an ATF hater and YUUUUGE 2A advocate...the biggest 2A fan ever in fact..... in charge of the ATF.

 

[Politruk]

And the majority does....even if it doesn't get destroyed by Congress they're putting an ATF hater and YUUUUGE 2A advocate...the biggest 2A fan ever in fact..... in charge of the ATF.

If he's going to put Matt Gaetz in charge of the DOJ, I guess nothing should surprise us.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

If he's going to put Matt Gaetz in charge of the DOJ, I guess nothing should surprise us.

Probably why Trump wants to shut down the DOE, it’s within 100 feet of the DOJ, and Gaetz can’t be that close.

 

[UltraChad]

If he's going to put Matt Gaetz in charge of the DOJ, I guess nothing should surprise us.

Each pod an alphabet agency........

The DNC

 

[AceDesSpades]

The university, once a sanctuary of intellectual exploration and debate, has shifted dramatically from its founding purpose as a beacon of learning and discovery. Plato may not have known the term "university," but his Academy, founded in 387 BCE, is often regarded as one of the first. There, he nurtured a space of dialectical inquiry, structured conversations and probing questions to pursue deeper truths. Fast forward to today, and this ideal of learning has all but vanished, replaced by a corporate-style system that prioritizes administrative control over academic freedom. Universities have drifted from their mission, morphing into ideological factories where administrators, rather than educators, set the tone and agenda.

Growing Bloat and Ideological Drift:

Reflecting on my own experiences, growing up in Fresno with parents dedicated to California State University (CSU), becoming a student, and eventually a professor… I see a disturbing shift. Our universities, once centers for research and teaching, have morphed into bureaucracies driven by administrators with agendas that seem far removed from genuine learning. This administrative bloat is not only costly; it stifles intellectual diversity and drives up tuition, turning students and their families into the financial backers of a system that increasingly values conformity over knowledge.

The Numbers Don’t Lie:

The numbers reveal the extent of this administrative takeover. Between 1993 and 2014, senior management at UCLA swelled by 300%, dwarfing the modest 60% increase in faculty and a 33% rise in student enrollment. Current figures are harder to obtain, but a 2021 report underscores that this trend hasn’t just continued—it’s accelerated, with administrative budgets absorbing an ever-larger slice of university resources.

Dr. Matthew Weilcki (link at HotAir.com)

 

[MajorRewrite]

The circus is all about putting on a show.

Ladies and gentlemen, direct your attention to ring 1 where we are dismantling the Department of Education!

Pay no attention to ring 2 where we are giving the rich and corporations another bigly tax cut!

 

[Politruk]

The circus is all about putting on a show.

Ladies and gentlemen, direct your attention to ring 1 where we are dismantling the Department of Education!

Pay no attention to ring 2 where we are giving the rich and corporations another bigly tax cut!

Is that gonna happen? Would they dare?

 

[MajorRewrite]

Is that gonna happen? Would they dare?

Tax cuts? Trump says tax cuts are on the way. Based on what he actually did in his first term, I’d say it’s his #1 priority and nothing else is close.

 

[Politruk]

And the new Secretary of Education is a pro wrestling magnate.

Geez, we really are living in Idiocracy now!

 

[Politruk]

The university, once a sanctuary of intellectual exploration and debate, has shifted dramatically from its founding purpose as a beacon of learning and discovery. Plato may not have known the term "university," but his Academy, founded in 387 BCE, is often regarded as one of the first. There, he nurtured a space of dialectical inquiry, structured conversations and probing questions to pursue deeper truths. Fast forward to today, and this ideal of learning has all but vanished, replaced by a corporate-style system that prioritizes administrative control over academic freedom. Universities have drifted from their mission, morphing into ideological factories where administrators, rather than educators, set the tone and agenda.

Plato's Academy was an ideological factory for aristocracy.

 

[ll74]

This is a stupid thread.