Your political leanings.....

[redelicious]

My parents are generally very liberal. My husband is very conservative. I don't know if that has made me more apt to see many sides of the issues or just extremely confused. Anyway, I tend to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

*AKK* I put progressive thinking moderate.

 

[phoenix1224]

Conservative on most points...

But what surprises me, is that on the poll, most people voted conservative; yet in the general forum, most political threads are swarming with extreme leftist liberals...

What's up with that?

 

[Phoenix Stone]

Uh, here's another who couldn't vote. There's nothing for the bell-curve majority, which is usually going to be middle-of-the-road or moderate. (Otherwise it wouldn't be the middle of the road, it would be to one side or the other, eh?) I don't vote party lines. This also suits my (likely) switch tendencies. Independents, anyone?

Bet most of the 8 conservatives listed, out of the 13 people who voted (which is one reason the numbers will differ from whatever you see on the general board), are really Libertarians. Sort of 'mind your own business, and I'll mind mine' folks.

 

[dreaming_lilith]

Conservative on most points...

But what surprises me, is that on the poll, most people voted conservative; yet in the general forum, most political threads are swarming with extreme leftist liberals...

What's up with that?

Well, compared to the 8 conservative votes you have 4 representing leftoriented options.

And another thing...I for myself sometimes bring up arguments I've argumented against in a debate with someone who is more leftish than me, just because there is a lack of leftish in the debate (specially when you compare to the swedish boards I compare with) and to get some fuel to the debate.
And sometimes I just put up really stereotype arguments with alot of irony in it when i feel the level has reached a point of foolness, but not everyone see it is irony and goes crazy on it.

 

[wolf2002]

I was wondering, isn;t it a little difficult to combine a sexually liberal attitude that goes with BDSM, with a conservative political orientation?

Wolf

 

[dreaming_lilith]

I was wondering, isn;t it a little difficult to combine a sexually liberal attitude that goes with BDSM, with a conservative political orientation?

Wolf

What sexually liberal attitude?
Sometimes I get the feelings people within BDSM are even more narrow-minded than others.
I have never met such an intense ageracism as I've done through BDSM. (if you don't have 20 years of experience, you are worth nothing, newbie!)

 

[wolf2002]

What sexually liberal attitude?
Sometimes I get the feelings people within BDSM are even more narrow-minded than others.
I have never met such an intense ageracism as I've done through BDSM. (if you don't have 20 years of experience, you are worth nothing, newbie!)

Sure, there's assholes everywhere, but my point is that consertives aren;t very famous for their open attitude towards sexual preferences for other purposes than creating a family... ask the gay community...

Say, you want to open a BDSM dungeon in your town... who do you think you will give you a permit first? a conservative or a liberal/progressive mayor?

Wolf

 

[catalina_francisco]

What sexually liberal attitude?
Sometimes I get the feelings people within BDSM are even more narrow-minded than others.
I have never met such an intense ageracism as I've done through BDSM. (if you don't have 20 years of experience, you are worth nothing, newbie!)

Can't say that has been my experience. I have at times seen enthusiastic newcomers feel they have a particular insight others lack, and then later discover what it was those more experienced were trying to express..and I have seen newcomers bring a fresh look which has been momentarily forgotten or unseen by those more ingrained in their choices. Think it all comes down to balance and being open to learn and evolve which I generally find the long term players/lifestylers have demonstrated by their presence in the community even after x amount of years. If they are not open to change, tolerance, and diversity, they usually do not remain part of the lifestyle long, at least not in a public sense where in contact with others.

Catalina

 

[TNRkitect2b]

I was wondering, isn;t it a little difficult to combine a sexually liberal attitude that goes with BDSM, with a conservative political orientation?

Wolf

I think that the reason people choose conservative is that there wasn't a middle of the road choice. given the choice betweeen conservative and liberal, my view fall more conservative. Yet when it comes to the matter of BDSM, I feel that what happens in my home should be no concern of anyone else. This last stance could be argued as either a liberal or conservative stance, depending on how you spun it.

It just goes to show that politics and sexual proclivities do not always dovetail nicely

overcharging for my 2 cents as usual...

 

[phoenix1224]

And sometimes I just put up really stereotype arguments with alot of irony in it when i feel the level has reached a point of foolness, but not everyone see it is irony and goes crazy on it.

Yeah, I've done the same thing... It's amazing how many people don't realize it when you're just trying to bust their balls...

 

[phoenix1224]

I was wondering, isn;t it a little difficult to combine a sexually liberal attitude that goes with BDSM, with a conservative political orientation?

Wolf

Not at all... There's a huge difference between being politically conservative and being sexually liberated... I think you'll find that typically, the more politically conservative the person, the kinkier they are in bed...

 

[Netzach]

I didn't vote, yet.

Left, cranky with socialist tendency, but hates Marxists and people who have to one up you on THEIR oppression.

Libertarian spasms sometimes occur, but I don't trust my neigbors like a good Libertarian thinks I should.

Socially radical, fiscally liberal. On welfare, I do think that those who can work, should! I also think that people with no skills, experience, or English language skills need more help than they get transitioning to the workplace. It's not realistic to expect someone to go get a job at McJobs and survive. If you like that idea, budget yourself for a month at 5.15 an hour as an excercise in realism. I'd love to see more emphasis on entrepreneurial projects with underserved communities, less on making someone become a poorly performing file clerk or assembler of doo dads. Sure, some assholes are going to cheat the system. And look at how many assholes in agrarian businesses take advantage of govt. subsidies, and how many businesses misuse public money, but we worry about the attack of the "welfare Queen" give me a break, people. Assholes will be assholes, but the fact is that a project with long range and scope, that really opens up *vistas* of possibility for a poor person--that's going to pay for itself, socially.

I live in the city, I can't fathom how people who do can't see this the way I do, but that's me. It's totally unacceptable to me that here, with all this shit flowing and buying and selling, we have people without housing out in the cold like some middle ages hellhole.

I don't like a lot of things about the Left though. I don't like when people speak for the poor at 200 a plate dinners. I don't like when white people invoke Rosa Parks and MLK to beat people over the head, like they are doing something other than pandering. I don't like assmiliationist BS that would rather we all behave nicely and ask Santa for what we'd like rather than getting ugly over it.

There's a lot to get ugly about.

 

[Netzach]

Not at all... There's a huge difference between being politically conservative and being sexually liberated... I think you'll find that typically, the more politically conservative the person, the kinkier they are in bed...

Well, yeah. AS long as it's not ME who can't get married or walk around grabbing my partner's ass ,why should I not consider myself "sexually liberated" while supporting parties who sexually repress everyone else?

 

[catalina_francisco]

I didn't vote, yet.

Left, cranky with socialist tendency, but hates Marxists and people who have to one up you on THEIR oppression.

Libertarian spasms sometimes occur, but I don't trust my neigbors like a good Libertarian thinks I should.

Socially radical, fiscally liberal. On welfare, I do think that those who can work, should! I also think that people with no skills, experience, or English language skills need more help than they get transitioning to the workplace. It's not realistic to expect someone to go get a job at McJobs and survive. If you like that idea, budget yourself for a month at 5.15 an hour as an excercise in realism. I'd love to see more emphasis on entrepreneurial projects with underserved communities, less on making someone become a poorly performing file clerk or assembler of doo dads. Sure, some assholes are going to cheat the system. And look at how many assholes in agrarian businesses take advantage of govt. subsidies, and how many businesses misuse public money, but we worry about the attack of the "welfare Queen" give me a break, people. Assholes will be assholes, but the fact is that a project with long range and scope, that really opens up *vistas* of possibility for a poor person--that's going to pay for itself, socially.

I live in the city, I can't fathom how people who do can't see this the way I do, but that's me. It's totally unacceptable to me that here, with all this shit flowing and buying and selling, we have people without housing out in the cold like some middle ages hellhole.

I don't like a lot of things about the Left though. I don't like when people speak for the poor at 200 a plate dinners. I don't like when white people invoke Rosa Parks and MLK to beat people over the head, like they are doing something other than pandering. I don't like assmiliationist BS that would rather we all behave nicely and ask Santa for what we'd like rather than getting ugly over it.

There's a lot to get ugly about.

Netzach, I have to say this is one of the best postings I have seen in a long time anywhere....and real. Congrats!!

Catalina

 

[MissTaken]

I was wondering, isn;t it a little difficult to combine a sexually liberal attitude that goes with BDSM, with a conservative political orientation?

Wolf

Ah, that is what I was getting at.



However, I believe there was a time when you could identify yourself with political party and that said something about yourself. Politics has evolved to a game of who owes whom a favor and how do I promote myself even further that it doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Party lines seem grey and politicians dont' seem to mirror the beliefs and values of their consituents unless there is personal gain for them. Being a poltician is a job, after all and I suppose those in office want to excel within that position for personal gain.

That being the case, I do believe right is right and wrong is wrong. I do believe in empowering people to excel, but don't believe handouts are the answer. I do believe that the US has interests to protect, but dont' believe that our interests are always being protected by the current and recent administrations. I do believe in the rights identified in the constitution, but also believe that with rights come responsibilities. I believe our money needs to be spent at home, on education, not furthering some politians cause overseas for the sake of appeasing another politician to get his vote for a bill sponsored by politician number 1.

I vote based on information concerning the individual running, not the party line.

So, while I don't know a thing about political jargon and what goes on in washington, I have a certain set of values that I take with me to the voting booth.

And I don't believe BDSM impacts my politics or values, but having ultra conservative people in office in my area certainly impacts whether a munch group will get started or a progressive toy store.

 

[MissTaken]

What sexually liberal attitude?
Sometimes I get the feelings people within BDSM are even more narrow-minded than others.
I have never met such an intense ageracism as I've done through BDSM. (if you don't have 20 years of experience, you are worth nothing, newbie!)

BDSM is much like anything else.

There are nice folks and there are not so nice folks.
Some will lord their experience over others and question your motives and sincerity. I don't believe it has anything to do with being open minded or liberal, rather, it is just who they are. Best to ignore them and find peace in your own life.

 

[Saint_Sinner]

I knew it........

I was really wondering about how the vote would really turn out like, but I just knew that it would be conservative.

My theory is this.....kinksters no matter what our flavor are concerned about not influencing or impacting what doesn't really affect us. We are a self governing environment. It doesn't matter whether gay, bi, straight, Dom or sub. We do what we want, and for the most part, have a very responsible outlook on what is right and what is wrong. We understand consent, which is the basis for what we do, and for freedom itself. Freedom is doing as you please as long as it doesn't impact on others without consent.

 

[Saint_Sinner]

But......

As in life, there are always people who will feel superior, and those who will feel supremely correct. Noone is without a judge or judgement, strength and weakness are we all.

 

[A Desert Rose]

BDSM is much like anything else.

There are nice folks and there are not so nice folks.
Some will lord their experience over others and question your motives and sincerity. I don't believe it has anything to do with being open minded or liberal, rather, it is just who they are. Best to ignore them and find peace in your own life.

Absolutely, well put.

 

[Netzach]

I just voted to call myself progressive because it scares the shit out of me that the sexual outlaws are going to clock in on the right.

Ew.

Functional society is freedom balanced with responsibility and a desire to co-exist with people around you, not say fuck 'em and wonder why your neighborhood goes to shit.

 

[wolf2002]

I don't believe BDSM impacts my politics or values, but having ultra conservative people in office in my area certainly impacts whether a munch group will get started or a progressive toy store.

I still don;t understand why the majority of votes in this poll is conservative...

Perhaps there is some confusion about the word. To some, conservative may imply 'leaving things the way they are, let it be etc...' I don;t know exactly about the US, but in my country conservative is exactly the opposite... it means a strong emphasis on religion, family values, tradition etc. with little or no room for alternative lifestyles...
Under a conservative government we would never have had such 'liberal' achievements as abortion, gay marriage etc.... all these are reflections of sexual liberty, IMO... BDSM has never been a political topic, as far as I know, but the general acceptance of this lifestyle would be a lot easier under liberal, progressive politics...

I am sure there are very kinky and open-minded people even within the conservative movement, but in general they would have a lot of difficulties to come out for their sexual preferences...

Wolf

 

[WriterDom]

It makes a little more sense if you lump liberal, leftist, socialist, and progressive together. What is a progressive anyway? Sounds like a liberal in the closet to me.

 

[wolf2002]

It makes a little more sense if you lump liberal, leftist, socialist, and progressive together. What is a progressive anyway? Sounds like a liberal in the closet to me.

Liberal and leftish are different things... progressive and leftish are almost the same, but in my opinion a lot of leftists are in real so very conservative that you could hardly call them progressive...

A progressive, I believe, is in favour of changing society to distribute wealth and welfare more equally... kind of like a socialist, allthough the latter stands for a very extreme, Sovjet kind of change...
In a non-economic sense a progressive would be someone who's open to new structures of society and lifestyles. I am thinking of issues like gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia...

A liberal would share this view on non-economic issues, but social equity is not his goal. He would prefer economic growth, to let market rule, with a very reduced role for the government... leftists usually would support a very prominent role for government, with more focus on social equity and environment...

Pffff, writing this down suddenly makes me realise why so much people aren;t very interested in politics...

Wolf

 

[A Desert Rose]

I still don;t understand why the majority of votes in this poll is conservative...

Perhaps there is some confusion about the word. To some, conservative may imply 'leaving things the way they are, let it be etc...' I don;t know exactly about the US, but in my country conservative is exactly the opposite... it means a strong emphasis on religion, family values, tradition etc. with little or no room for alternative lifestyles...
Under a conservative government we would never have had such 'liberal' achievements as abortion, gay marriage etc.... all these are reflections of sexual liberty, IMO... BDSM has never been a political topic, as far as I know, but the general acceptance of this lifestyle would be a lot easier under liberal, progressive politics...

I am sure there are very kinky and open-minded people even within the conservative movement, but in general they would have a lot of difficulties to come out for their sexual preferences...

Wolf

I consider myself to be more conservative politically, fiscally and socially than most people I read at Lit. But that aspect of my life and thinking has nothing to do with my sexual views or my views about other people's sexual preferences. Just because some one is conservative does not mean they are homophobes or bigots. That is really like saying that all liberals are... pick a stereotype. Really that is painting people with a very broad paintbrush and seeing everyone and everyone's views only in black and white.

For instance, I do believe in strong family values, but that does not mean that everyone has to share MY idea of family values. Everyone is entitled to work their lives in the best way possible for themselves. Neither do I express or force my religious views to or on others, at Lit or anywhere else. We are all entitled to worship or not, as we so choose.

What I really am trying to say is that the greatest thing is the freedom of the INIVIDUAL to determine his own life and his own way of living it, unfettered by government dictates or societal ones. I believe in as little government involvement in my life (especially in my bedroom) as possible. And that is a large part of what makes me a conservative.

Thank you Wolf, for letting me ramble. I hope I made some kind of sense. ;-)

 

[wolf2002]

Just because some one is conservative does not mean they are homophobes or bigots.

I don;t think I said that. All I said is that conservative tend to be less open-minded about things like gay marriage or alternative sexual lifestyles... to be honest, I think gay marriage is pretty silly myself, especially when the law grants equal rights to partnership contracts, but that's beside the point... I know I shouldn;t paint views in black and white, but when it comes to politics, it's about choosing general directions... that may be somewhat black and white...

What I really am trying to say is that the greatest thing is the freedom of the INDIVIDUAL to determine his own life and his own way of living it, unfettered by government dictates or societal ones. I believe in as little government involvement in my life (especially in my bedroom) as possible. And that is a large part of what makes me a conservative.

My point is that conservative, at least in my country, tends to meddle with that individual liberty by imposing THEIR values on the society as a whole.
But to be honest, I don;t really understand what you mean by 'politically, fiscally and socially conservative'...

BTW, I am not trying to attack you on your views, it's just that I sometimes get a little over-excited about politics... and I don;t mean that in a fetish kind-of-way...


Wolf