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[JayJams78]

New pieces up. Two up already, a third very soon to be posted. I'd love your comments and feedback, on here and on the comments option. And don't forget to rate, follow, and get others to check them out. There is much more to come! Hope you enjoy.

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=6271247&page=submissions

 

[ElectricBlue]

This should be over in the Feedback Forum.

 

[JayJams78]

Posted there too. Right now posting these wherever they fit. Yes, its shameless self promotion for my work. If you have read it, you know I clearly have done the labor at my craft to make it worth promoting. And the messages in the pieces tend to be poignant and timely.

But thank you for your suggestions. I hope you will read them and give your feedback on the work.

 

[SamScribble]

And don't forget to rate, follow, and get others to check them out. There is much more to come!

Some of us here are getting on a bit. Some of us forget how to put our socks on in the morning. It's probably not a good idea to rely on us to rate, follow, and get others to check out your stories. As EB says, probably better to fish where the fish are. Good luck.

 

[JayJams78]

Poems, not stories. Short, easy reads. Someone once described poetry as precious scraps found in couch cushions. Perfect! There is depth and heart in the substance, yet... Well, take a moment and actually read them and you will get it.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Poems, not stories. Short, easy reads. Someone once described poetry as precious scraps found in couch cushions. Perfect! There is depth and heart in the substance, yet... Well, take a moment and actually read them and you will get it.

We all do shameless self promotion, but please put it in the right place - the Feedback Forum and in this thread:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=181349&page=153

If it's poetry, probably better to go here:

https://forum.literotica.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25

I don't think the AH is quite the right place for this. Imagine what it would turn into if we all did it .

 

[JayJams78]

We all do shameless self promotion, but please put it in the right place - the Feedback Forum and in this thread:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=181349&page=153

If it's poetry, probably better to go here:

https://forum.literotica.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25

I don't think the AH is quite the right place for this. Imagine what it would turn into if we all did it .

Have you even bothered reading the work? It seems to me that far too many "old hands" are more worried about something not being posted where it usually is than on the content of the post.

You can have thread after thread about "would you or have you do or done this or that to the person above you". Those are fun. I've posted in them. But what does that have to do with the art of writing? Isn't that better suited for the Playground?

If course that's nitpicking and being petty. That's my point. Did you know that, because of the social commentary nature of some of my work, I also posted in the politics forum?! Isn't that horrible? We gotta do something about these newbies showing up and doing things differently! Maybe we should just ban newbies from Lit! Yeah, that should do.

And, by the way, did you stop to consider the implied arrogance in telling a poet he probably shouldn't post something about his work in the author's section. You are saying poets are not real authors. I got news: I am as skilled a short story writer... and lyricist... as I am a poet, and I have spent years studying and fine-tuning my craft. Unless I missed something, this is for ALL authors. There's actually a separate part of the forum for story writers. Should I suggest you go discuss your stories there?

Look, I am sick to death of people quick to criticize, but haven't even bothered reading or considering what they criticize. If you did, you may find a few lines hit close to home for or to you.

So, since you are soooo concerned about where I post because it is such a huge disruption to your world, let me tell you where. I posted here, the main poet's forum, the poet's hangout, and on the politics board. Is it how it's normally done? Probably not. Don't care. Will I conform to how it's usually done to maintain some sense of superiority or status quo on your part? Nope. Never conformed to the status quo a day in my life, and I am damn sure not doing it now. Will I continue to post in ways that, while they fit the rules, break the "normal" way of doing things? Yup. Deal with it. I'm 43 years old. I have nothing to prove to you.

One final answer. What would happen if everyone did what I am doing? People would cease being damned snobs, start reading each other's work more honestly, and some amazing sharing, learning, and conversation would start happening. And these comfortable little complacent boxes you have built for yourselves would be shattered. In other words, ART would happen. And I thought we were supposed to be wordsmiths, artists.

I have the utmost respect for Lit. I was a member for several years up to 14 years ago under a different name. I am no newbie to this place. What I don't respect is the snobbish social clubs that seem to have formed. Lit used to be a welcoming place where writers could come and share openly. THAT is the Lit I will continue to respect.

If that bothers you so much, you are free to ignore my threads. There's lots of threads on here. When you do that to me and others.... Well, it's your and Lit's loss. But that's your choice.

But please have the decency not to jump in my threads, not even bother reading the work or involving yourself in the challenge or question, and talk to me like I am an ignorant child. If others do that to your threads you get annoyed, even pissed. Don't do that to mine.

For those who can deal with an honest, straightforward man who loves his craft, knows his work, and cares deeply for others, you are welcome. I look forward to getting to know your voice and work. For those who only find negative to attack, I look forward to continuing to doing things in an unorthodox way, acting outside of the box, and generally making you uncomfortable by acting like a human being who isn't a slave to your comfort zones. The rest will just have to be your issue to cope with.

This concludes your public service announcement. Can we all now get on with our lives and the art of making good things? Thank you.

 

[Sweet_n_SpicySprite]

"Say it louder for the People in the back."

 

[geronimo_appleby]

Have you even bothered reading the work? It seems to me that far too many "old hands" are more worried about something not being posted where it usually is than on the content of the post.

You can have thread after thread about "would you or have you do or done this or that to the person above you". Those are fun. I've posted in them. But what does that have to do with the art of writing? Isn't that better suited for the Playground?

If course that's nitpicking and being petty. That's my point. Did you know that, because of the social commentary nature of some of my work, I also posted in the politics forum?! Isn't that horrible? We gotta do something about these newbies showing up and doing things differently! Maybe we should just ban newbies from Lit! Yeah, that should do.

And, by the way, did you stop to consider the implied arrogance in telling a poet he probably shouldn't post something about his work in the author's section. You are saying poets are not real authors. I got news: I am as skilled a short story writer... and lyricist... as I am a poet, and I have spent years studying and fine-tuning my craft. Unless I missed something, this is for ALL authors. There's actually a separate part of the forum for story writers. Should I suggest you go discuss your stories there?

Look, I am sick to death of people quick to criticize, but haven't even bothered reading or considering what they criticize. If you did, you may find a few lines hit close to home for or to you.

So, since you are soooo concerned about where I post because it is such a huge disruption to your world, let me tell you where. I posted here, the main poet's forum, the poet's hangout, and on the politics board. Is it how it's normally done? Probably not. Don't care. Will I conform to how it's usually done to maintain some sense of superiority or status quo on your part? Nope. Never conformed to the status quo a day in my life, and I am damn sure not doing it now. Will I continue to post in ways that, while they fit the rules, break the "normal" way of doing things? Yup. Deal with it. I'm 43 years old. I have nothing to prove to you.

One final answer. What would happen if everyone did what I am doing? People would cease being damned snobs, start reading each other's work more honestly, and some amazing sharing, learning, and conversation would start happening. And these comfortable little complacent boxes you have built for yourselves would be shattered. In other words, ART would happen. And I thought we were supposed to be wordsmiths, artists.

I have the utmost respect for Lit. I was a member for several years up to 14 years ago under a different name. I am no newbie to this place. What I don't respect is the snobbish social clubs that seem to have formed. Lit used to be a welcoming place where writers could come and share openly. THAT is the Lit I will continue to respect.

If that bothers you so much, you are free to ignore my threads. There's lots of threads on here. When you do that to me and others.... Well, it's your and Lit's loss. But that's your choice.

But please have the decency not to jump in my threads, not even bother reading the work or involving yourself in the challenge or question, and talk to me like I am an ignorant child. If others do that to your threads you get annoyed, even pissed. Don't do that to mine.

For those who can deal with an honest, straightforward man who loves his craft, knows his work, and cares deeply for others, you are welcome. I look forward to getting to know your voice and work. For those who only find negative to attack, I look forward to continuing to doing things in an unorthodox way, acting outside of the box, and generally making you uncomfortable by acting like a human being who isn't a slave to your comfort zones. The rest will just have to be your issue to cope with.

This concludes your public service announcement. Can we all now get on with our lives and the art of making good things? Thank you.

people have been polite.

you're new. take some advice. nobody 'attacked' you.

 

[Handley_Page]

New pieces up. Two up already, a third very soon to be posted. I'd love your comments and feedback, on here and on the comments option. And don't forget to rate, follow, and get others to check them out. There is much more to come! Hope you enjoy.

https://www.literotica.com/stories/memberpage.php?uid=6271247&page=submissions

I prefer my poetry to have rhythm & rhyme.
But, as has been said. You picked the wrong spot to advertise your efforts,.

 

[lovecraft68]

Let me be honest here, the average writer here is too self absorbed in writing and talking about their own work to bother with anyone else's work. Even something short.

There are some exceptions, a couple people here post regularly in the feedback forum when someone posts a link, but that's the place for it, and it means they have time and are in the mood to check another's work out.

Admittedly, I rarely do it, the story has to p[ique my interest and be somewhat short.

Most here fall under my initial statement.

The AH is a place where people ask for and give advice, but like any other chat room and like social media its pretty much a look at me den of narcissism. Okay, enough about me, let's talk about you....what do you think of me.

I don't mean this as insulting as it sounds, I just acknowledge base human nature and don't try to pretend its different.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

Let me be honest here, the average writer here is too self absorbed in writing and talking about their own work to bother with anyone else's work. Even something short.

There are some exceptions, a couple people here post regularly in the feedback forum when someone posts a link, but that's the place for it, and it means they have time and are in the mood to check another's work out.

Admittedly, I rarely do it, the story has to p[ique my interest and be somewhat short.

Most here fall under my initial statement.

The AH is a place where people ask for and give advice, but like any other chat room and like social media its pretty much a look at me den of narcissism. Okay, enough about me, let's talk about you....what do you think of me.

I don't mean this as insulting as it sounds, I just acknowledge base human nature and don't try to pretend its different.

not me. I here for the tits.

 

[Voboy]

people have been polite.

you're new. take some advice. nobody 'attacked' you.

This. So much this.

Your poems aren't awful, but now that I know you're so defensive about them, it's hard for me to enjoy them. I don't plan to read more of them.

Your "promotion" here might not be your best plan, but you're going to go ahead with it anyway. Good luck to you. Lovecraft68 is right: a lot of us don't want to read the work of others, and those of us that do are PROBABLY going to look for it in the Feedback Forum. Where we've chosen to go.

You're making this harder on yourself than it needs to be, I think.

 

[JayJams78]

Wow. I challenge the status quo and suddenly my treads are the place to bitc... I mean post. So I will honor your so very serious and deep concerns with response.

First, every one of my poems have internal rhythms and rhymes. In fact "Tomorrow's Un-Sonnet" is almost a direct answer to your statement. If you don't hear rhythm and harmony and rhyme in anything but iambic and singsong lines with Mary Had A Little Lamb end rhymes... You need to open a friggin book newer than 1845. I love classic forms, but I have serious messages to communicate, and my audience isn't interested in Dante.

Second, will someone please tell me where the Lit rule is that says I cannot post a thread promoting my work and asking for honest feedback on this board, or any other damned board is at please? That's what I thought. So "this isn't the place for this" is your bullshit way to condescend and "put in their place" those you consider lees than you because they don't do things like you have always done. "This is for authors to discuss..." real writer stuff, so run away little poet?

One, if you can practice my craft better than I, then please show me how it's done. If not, maybe YOU need to learn from ME about the craft of writing. (Bugs you to hear that from an f-ing newbie doesn't it... But unless you were here 14 years ago, I was here before you were.) Two, I actually pay attention to threads. There have been threads about would you say naughty things, sext, e-bone (love that word by the way), say dirty things, what would you say, and misquote the person above you. What the hell does that have to do with writing. So please get off your arrogant high horse and come join the rest of us.

I have had the blessing to lead, work with, and learn from writers and performers who would eat most of those who are whining here alive. You know what they had that made them such profoundly great artists? The humility to not think their way, the way they built to create comfy spaces and showcase only themselves was the only way to do things. These were REAL artists because they were more concerned with the craft than their ego being stroked.

Finally, thank you for the "I'm just here for the tits" comment. That really is the bottom line isn't it. Those who want to act like I am some nube and think they need to dictate to me are in reality only here to get off, either on the porn or their own ego masterbation. And that is why I have no respect for your "way we do things". You are the ones ruining Lit for real writers. Grow up.

 

[Agiel]

The OP seems to have a chip on his shoulder and I shouldn’t think anything that anyone on here says will get rid of it. He’s received a lot of good advice, non of it abusive (in fact, the only abuse has come from him) so perhaps the best way to deal with it is not respond to anything and then the thread will disappear. Some people can’t be helped.

 

[JayJams78]

I'm not defensive about my work. I know its quality. I have confirmation of that by poets laureate. What I am pushing back against is ego driven old hands popping up on my threads, not reading or contributing, not seeing of I may have actually posted on a review spot (I have), not private messaging, but displaying their arrogance on my threads and making an issue where there is none.

 

[Voboy]

Second, will someone please tell me where the Lit rule is that says I cannot post a thread promoting my work and asking for honest feedback on this board, or any other damned board is at please? That's what I thought.

Lol. It's not a "rule." It's just a convention, and people are trying to tell you that.

You're unconventional. We get it. Go on with your bad self. But don't expect everyone to appreciate it. Unconventional people have always dealt with that. But if you want to be a "noble challenger of the status quo," and 99% of the people are happy with the status quo? This is what happens.

Good luck to you.

ETA: I'll just gently add this: sometimes, the way we see ourselves is NOT THE SAME as the way others see us. That's not a bad thing; it's just reality.

 

[geronimo_appleby]

Wow. I challenge the status quo and suddenly my treads are the place to bitc... I mean post. So I will honor your so very serious and deep concerns with response.

First, every one of my poems have internal rhythms and rhymes. In fact "Tomorrow's Un-Sonnet" is almost a direct answer to your statement. If you don't hear rhythm and harmony and rhyme in anything but iambic and singsong lines with Mary Had A Little Lamb end rhymes... You need to open a friggin book newer than 1845. I love classic forms, but I have serious messages to communicate, and my audience isn't interested in Dante.

Second, will someone please tell me where the Lit rule is that says I cannot post a thread promoting my work and asking for honest feedback on this board, or any other damned board is at please? That's what I thought. So "this isn't the place for this" is your bullshit way to condescend and "put in their place" those you consider lees than you because they don't do things like you have always done. "This is for authors to discuss..." real writer stuff, so run away little poet?

One, if you can practice my craft better than I, then please show me how it's done. If not, maybe YOU need to learn from ME about the craft of writing. (Bugs you to hear that from an f-ing newbie doesn't it... But unless you were here 14 years ago, I was here before you were.) Two, I actually pay attention to threads. There have been threads about would you say naughty things, sext, e-bone (love that word by the way), say dirty things, what would you say, and misquote the person above you. What the hell does that have to do with writing. So please get off your arrogant high horse and come join the rest of us.

I have had the blessing to lead, work with, and learn from writers and performers who would eat most of those who are whining here alive. You know what they had that made them such profoundly great artists? The humility to not think their way, the way they built to create comfy spaces and showcase only themselves was the only way to do things. These were REAL artists because they were more concerned with the craft than their ego being stroked.

Finally, thank you for the "I'm just here for the tits" comment. That really is the bottom line isn't it. Those who want to act like I am some nube and think they need to dictate to me are in reality only here to get off, either on the porn or their own ego masterbation. And that is why I have no respect for your "way we do things". You are the ones ruining Lit for real writers. Grow up.

relax, you mad bastard. it was a flip comment to LC, with whom i have an online friendship of sorts.

and wtf is a ‘real writer’? if it’s receiving an income from the trade, there are a few of us here; if it’s someone who simply wants to explore and create, the same response applies.

real writers tend to have thick skin. better work on that.

 

[JayJams78]

What damned advice did you give? Go away and post over there (WHERE I ALREADY POSTED had you bothered listening) and leave us to our "would you diddle the person above you" deep literary discussion? Give me a break. And, to make it clear again, I am no newbie, so don't act like I am. You are posters not bosses, fellow authors not keepers of the gate. Maybe act like it.

 

[JayJams78]

This is all written with an even tone. A real writer enjoys reading and learning about their craft. They don't do status quo. They thrive in uncomfortable positions. They don't do a lot of conforming to conventions. They question, challenge, push back, and create something fresh. Maybe if you have an issue with this you have forgotten how to be an artist. And maybe it's time to relearn it from those "newbies".

 

[geronimo_appleby]

This is all written with an even tone. A real writer enjoys reading and learning about their craft. They don't do status quo. They thrive in uncomfortable positions. They don't do a lot of conforming to conventions. They question, challenge, push back, and create something fresh. Maybe if you have an issue with this you have forgotten how to be an artist. And maybe it's time to relearn it from those "newbies".

don’t hurt yourself getting down from that horse.

 

[Voboy]

This is all written with an even tone. A real writer enjoys reading and learning about their craft. They don't do status quo. They thrive in uncomfortable positions. They don't do a lot of conforming to conventions. They question, challenge, push back, and create something fresh. Maybe if you have an issue with this you have forgotten how to be an artist. And maybe it's time to relearn it from those "newbies".

Your opinion is noted.

The thing about opinions? Everyone is entitled to their own. And I like mine better than I like yours. You can't blame me for that; after all, you feel EXACTLY the same way.

And if you don't think you sound defensive? Well... reread the edit on my previous post, I suppose.

 

[JayJams78]

I didn't come to that definition by way of opinion. I learned it by watching, listening to, and being taught by some amazing poets laureate and published serious writers. Oh and from urban, inner city artists whose poetry and spoken word performance makes most published authors look lie chumps and some slam poetry champs look like rookies. In other words, I've been blessed to learn from the best who proved the worth of their opinion by their work.

 

[JayJams78]

Stop playing with the newbies.

To Jay,
Who do you want to reach with this thread, and why here? What's the advantage (except for riling things up a little, and shaking up the oldies) for having this thread here, instead of on the designated place?

First, and once again, for the last time, I. AM. No. FUCKING. NEWBIE! I was here for years until 14 years ago. I came back and am learning Lit is devolving into an ego driven click club.
As to what I wanted, look at the first post. That says it clearly. These arrogant "old hand" self-absorbed asses decided to turn MY thread into an instructional as to their conventions without so much as reading my work or giving any constructive critique on that work. This coming from the board that brought you "Would you e-bone the person above you" and other such literary discussions.
So yes, I object to their stomping all over my thread because they don't like where I put it. I am not the one creating a row by my pushing back, they are creating it by their rude behavior.

 

[Voboy]

So yes, I object to their stomping all over my thread because they don't like where I put it.

See, but that's the thing. You KNEW you were posting in the wrong place. You posted here anyway. And then you had the cheek to be offended when people told you so?

That behavior strikes me as odd. I'm apparently not the only one to react that way.

If you're not happy here... then why are you here?