15-minute cities

[JohnnySavage]

I suppose the more people that are slotted in their spots in cities, the less that will be roaming free in my woods.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

I feel the same way. I don't need people accidentally discovering my poached deer...

 

[LLCox]

Fifteen minute cities is a dream of the Klaus Schwab World Economic Forum crowd. Another maneuver that will control how far you can travel. With this and CBDC you will have zero freedom. I think they have bitten off way more than they can chew.

 

[Chernosoth]

I'd rather have the second 6" of my pecker cut off, than live nut-to-butt in a city. People are stacked on top of each other like hamsters.

Without cars, most of the rural living will be farming and herding. Living far away from food at human or horse walking speed starts at difficult and gets worse.

 

[HisArpy]

Fifteen minute cities is a dream of the Klaus Schwab World Economic Forum crowd. Another maneuver that will control how far you can travel. With this and CBDC you will have zero freedom. I think they have bitten off way more than they can chew.

It's ancient feudalism repackaged with a new name then wrapped up in shiny mylar with a velvet bow on top and placed under bright lights.

It's also the dream of someone who has never been to Montana, Utah, Kansas or any of the other big states with low populations.

 

[DeluxAuto]

It's ancient feudalism repackaged with a new name then wrapped up in shiny mylar with a velvet bow on top and placed under bright lights.

It's also the dream of someone who has never been to Montana, Utah, Kansas or any of the other big states with low populations.

That's why they're called 15-Minute Cities and not 15-Minute States, Derpy.

You tried.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The 15 minute urban village concept appeals to some people in the US, but it’s more acceptable in Europe and other parts of the world. In the US, the prevailing American Dream is owning a single family detached house with the proverbial “white picket fence.” Families that prefer an alternative to the “rack ‘em and stack ‘em” city life live in the suburbs.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

The 15 minute urban village concept appeals to some people in the US, but it’s more acceptable in Europe and other parts of the world. In the US, the prevailing American Dream is owning a single family detached house with the proverbial “white picket fence.” Families that prefer an alternative to the “rack ‘em and stack ‘em” city life live in the suburbs.

Big suburbs are only possible with heavy government subsidies. I don’t care if people want to live out in the middle of nowhere, but it’s unfair to ask the rest of us to support that lifestyle.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Big suburbs are only possible with heavy government subsidies. I don’t care if people want to live out in the middle of nowhere, but it’s unfair to ask the rest of us to support that lifestyle.

Support that lifestyle? Where do you think the food the city folk eat comes from? FFS

Go ahead and say it... "The Supermarket"

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Without cars, most of the rural living will be farming and herding. Living far away from food at human or horse walking speed starts at difficult and gets worse.

Cars are great rural transportation, but they ruin cities. It’s not about getting rid of cars EVERYWHERE but about making them unnecessary for city life.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Support that lifestyle? Where do you think the food the city folk eat comes from? FFS

Go ahead and say it... "The Supermarket"

Why are you trying to make this country vs. city? If you want to live in the country and drive everywhere, I don’t care. However just as the food for cities is grown in the country, the cars that make it easy to get around in the country are built in cities. We need each other.

 

[HisArpy]

Why are you trying to make this country vs. city? If you want to live in the country and drive everywhere, I don’t care. However just as the food for cities is grown in the country, the cars that make it easy to get around in the country are built in cities. We need each other.

Do you understand that the GND doesn't make any allowances for the difference because there won't be any way to harvest the food you eat or transport it to your supermarkets?

Do you understand that your 15 minute city won't allow you to move out of great grandma's house unless you carry your stuff on your own back? Or call a plumber to fix a leaky pipe or clogged drain? Buy lumber and other materials to add-on to great grandma's house so you have more room for the new baby's crib?

Life isn't about you beebopping along with your iPhone and wireless bluetooth headset thinking life's just grand. Solutions which aren't any more thoughtful than what's up next on your playlist aren't going to work in the world beyond the boundaries of your microcosmic existence.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Support that lifestyle? Where do you think the food the city folk eat comes from? FFS

Go ahead and say it... "The Supermarket"

Leave the Hills, Billy, and you will see that farms thrive alongside big cities. For reals.

 

[schism666]

Hamsters seem to be happy and they fuck an awful lot...

you'll never be a hamster

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Do you understand that the GND doesn't make any allowances for the difference because there won't be any way to harvest the food you eat or transport it to your supermarkets?

Do you understand that your 15 minute city won't allow you to move out of great grandma's house unless you carry your stuff on your own back? Or call a plumber to fix a leaky pipe or clogged drain? Buy lumber and other materials to add-on to great grandma's house so you have more room for the new baby's crib?

Life isn't about you beebopping along with your iPhone and wireless bluetooth headset thinking life's just grand. Solutions which aren't any more thoughtful than what's up next on your playlist aren't going to work in the world beyond the boundaries of your microcosmic existence.

As I already said, 15-minute cities aren’t about getting rid of ALL cars everywhere, it’s just about creating places where you don’t need one to do simple things like go to the store or get to work.

We know it’s not a fantasy because millions of people live in walkable cities already. It only seems that way if you’ve been conditioned to accept car dependency as a fact of life, instead of a policy choice. When people who live in car suburbs imagine life without a car it seem so inconvenient! But that’s because their suburb has been built to force car ownership. It’s learned helplessness.

 

[techiedude71]

Perhaps the five boroughs that comprise New York City can be used as some example here.

With the pending legislation for enacting the congestion pricing plan that is supposed to curb pollution, no more driving into downtown Manhattan. If you want to pass 60th street you’ll have to pay if you drive.

What’s amazing is it takes me an hour to drive from my home into Manhattan. This drive should take 15 to 30 mins but the only time I ever had that was at the height of the pandemic.

Amazing tidbit when I lived in the Bronx which borders Manhattan it took an hour and change to subway into any borough due to the atrocity of public transportation.

Perhaps NYC can serve as an example that in order for this to work you need interested parties involved who use and actively support public transportation instead of scumbag politicians who enact these changes upon their citizens and take limos themselves instead.

 

[Chernosoth]

Cars are great rural transportation, but they ruin cities. It’s not about getting rid of cars EVERYWHERE but about making them unnecessary for city life.

Until they run out of oil. That is why 15 minute communities will eventually happen everywhere, because nothing else will be possible in communities.

 

[jaF0]

The Walton Klan destroyed America's tradition of 15 minute towns. Ustacould walk almost everywhere in many rural towns. Post Office, banks, grocery stores, hardware stores, schools, parks, swimming pools, an assortment of restaurants and cafes, clothing shops, gift shops were all on Main Street and generally next door to each other. People lived within just a few blocks.

Then the Walton Bastards descended like a plague of locusts and drove all the little shops out of town with their too low to be real prices.

 

[Chernosoth]

^Temporarily. Walmart, Amazon, and all the rest of those big chains with global supply lines will be wiped out by the same lack of oil that shuts down most of the car traffic. An intermediate step is dollar stores replacing the big stores, on their way to becoming the new general stores that survive the return to locally owned retail.

 

[jaF0]

Thinking back to when I lived in a major metro area, population was over a million then. There was of course a very huge and vibrant downtown. But within the city limits, there were several 'regional downtowns'. There were major shopping areas with stores like Federals, Wards, Kresges, Sears, clothing stores that specialized in women's, men's or children's. Dedicated shoe stores like Thom MCann, jewelry stores, banks, hardware stores, even niche places like Heathkit and real record stores. There may have been 30 or 40 stores within a few blocks. You also had tire stores and other car repair shops along with car dealers of all brands. And yes, I could walk to all of the stores in the areas closest to me. You generally took a car though since you didn't want to carry so many bags home. A few blocks the other way was a grocery and drug store. Bars, restaurants, cafes, bakeries and a number of other places were nearby.

I've looked on streetview a few times in recent years and a lot of those stores are vacant, or demolished. Others have new businesses, but none are as vibrant as they once were.

 

[Chernosoth]

Some of the pushback is against the bureaucrats' term "15 minute city." There are other terms to fit most pairs of feet: walkable neighborhood, traditional American town, etc.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Big suburbs are only possible with heavy government subsidies. I don’t care if people want to live out in the middle of nowhere, but it’s unfair to ask the rest of us to support that lifestyle.

Similarly, we resent our tax dollars being thrown to the big cities as federal grants to prop up corrupt Democrat fiefdoms whose main activity seems to be providing crumbling infrastructure and whose main hobby seems to be looking down their noses at everyone else...

 

[VinnyVeritas]

The Walton Klan destroyed America's tradition of 15 minute towns. Ustacould walk almost everywhere in many rural towns. Post Office, banks, grocery stores, hardware stores, schools, parks, swimming pools, an assortment of restaurants and cafes, clothing shops, gift shops were all on Main Street and generally next door to each other. People lived within just a few blocks.

Then the Walton Bastards descended like a plague of locusts and drove all the little shops out of town with their too low to be real prices.

Yeah. Lower prices leading to more discretionary income for the average household was probably the worst thing to ever happen to this nation. It led to all sorts of supercilious free time and way too many varieties of hobbies and entertainments.

Good Damn the Waltons all to hell. The should have stayed up on their mountain with John-boy...

 

[Chobham]

While I can empathize with the notion put forth in the thread the entire proposition is highly unlikely to work in any but the most upscale neighborhoods, the economics just don't work on multiple levels.

 

[Chernosoth]

With the pending legislation for enacting the congestion pricing plan that is supposed to curb pollution, no more driving into downtown Manhattan. If you want to pass 60th street you’ll have to pay if you drive

Congestion tax is a big clue of living in an overpopulated city.