2'nd ooc: High school blues
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Sure, I understand ya, Cats. But you know what I mean, right? I only want people to specialize so everyone can have a part, i.e. character classes in D&D. There's the fighter, and the cleric, and the wizard... and there are bladedancers and paladins, but none of them are equal in strength to the straight men... and when, for example, the wizard casts Mordenkainen's Sword to go fighter-style, it only lasts for a while. Thus, Lea as a supermove would be tantamount to that last example. I'm not trying to be a bitch... I'm just worried about my characters being unimportant. Slap me if I'm paranoid. ^_^
Anyway, on the top of Ch'i and Ki, just cuz...
Well, note that the Japanese learned a lot from the Chinese. The ancient Chinese considered the Japanese sort of a bastard child -- that's one of the reasons why the Japanese miltary, during WWII, was quite happy to ravage China.
Anyway, I don't think it's fair to say that the Japanese used body energy whereas the Chinese used mind energy... kung fu is a genre, not an art, and can be both soft and hard. Besides, what about judo and aikido?
Also, the mind and body are very deeply interconnected, so the different between a "body energy" and a "mind energy" may be, in fact, completely not existant... anyone who's used drugs could tell you that.
(I'm refering to, of course, the way that chemicals affect the way you think without you even realizing it. The relationship of the mind and body is not that of a "ghost in the machine," to quote Gilbert Ryle.)
Anyway, uh, this isn't important at all, so yeah. ^_^ But seeing as nobody has posted in this thread for five days, I thought I might as well say something.
Anyway, on the top of Ch'i and Ki, just cuz...
Well, note that the Japanese learned a lot from the Chinese. The ancient Chinese considered the Japanese sort of a bastard child -- that's one of the reasons why the Japanese miltary, during WWII, was quite happy to ravage China.
Anyway, I don't think it's fair to say that the Japanese used body energy whereas the Chinese used mind energy... kung fu is a genre, not an art, and can be both soft and hard. Besides, what about judo and aikido?Also, the mind and body are very deeply interconnected, so the different between a "body energy" and a "mind energy" may be, in fact, completely not existant... anyone who's used drugs could tell you that.
(I'm refering to, of course, the way that chemicals affect the way you think without you even realizing it. The relationship of the mind and body is not that of a "ghost in the machine," to quote Gilbert Ryle.)
Anyway, uh, this isn't important at all, so yeah. ^_^ But seeing as nobody has posted in this thread for five days, I thought I might as well say something.
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Yea the entire class system is understood but I've never played D&D.
As for the mind and body being conected they are in terms of the soul. Your WW2 refrence is a logical falacy and thus I will ignore it because it's a tangent. Just because some one uses there mind to fight dosen't mean there weaker then thos in touch with there bodys. Infact most experts claim the oposites. I can't rember who said thsi sadly but all the same, "Ki is limited to how strong ones body can become but Chi like a persons mind has no limits."
Also judo is a mental combat sport. It's a method of useing leverage and the opnets power rather then your own. Kungfu is lots of mind over matter. Some skills like the "iron shirt" takes years to develop. Both of these focus on Chi rather then Ki.
As for the mind and body being conected they are in terms of the soul. Your WW2 refrence is a logical falacy and thus I will ignore it because it's a tangent. Just because some one uses there mind to fight dosen't mean there weaker then thos in touch with there bodys. Infact most experts claim the oposites. I can't rember who said thsi sadly but all the same, "Ki is limited to how strong ones body can become but Chi like a persons mind has no limits."
Also judo is a mental combat sport. It's a method of useing leverage and the opnets power rather then your own. Kungfu is lots of mind over matter. Some skills like the "iron shirt" takes years to develop. Both of these focus on Chi rather then Ki.
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Huh? My argument wasn't that ki is stronger than chi, in fact, that would be counterproductive to my argument... I was merely making a note that the Japanese learned a lot from the Chinese, and they have a close relationship, not altogether good, either.
And when I talked about "mind and body being connected," I was talking in scientific terms... thus the drug analogy. So whatever so-called Ki or Ch'i is, a "body power" or a "mind power" would be the same anyway. Besides, the Japanese supposedly have those techniques too, Cats... as do the Koreans... saying that the Chinese have a monopoly on "mind over matter" would be unfair, was my point.
Besides, what is body power but mind power, anyway? If you've ever been involved in athletics, you've probably been able to reach a point where you're going on autopilot and not even actively thinking about what you're doing, and doing really well. That's satori... reaching the ultimate capabilities of your body only occurs through expelling self-doubt.
So I doubt that for martial artists, whether real or in this game, there are two seperate forces, Ki and Ch'i... assuming there are any forces at all.
And when I talked about "mind and body being connected," I was talking in scientific terms... thus the drug analogy. So whatever so-called Ki or Ch'i is, a "body power" or a "mind power" would be the same anyway. Besides, the Japanese supposedly have those techniques too, Cats... as do the Koreans... saying that the Chinese have a monopoly on "mind over matter" would be unfair, was my point.
Besides, what is body power but mind power, anyway? If you've ever been involved in athletics, you've probably been able to reach a point where you're going on autopilot and not even actively thinking about what you're doing, and doing really well. That's satori... reaching the ultimate capabilities of your body only occurs through expelling self-doubt.
So I doubt that for martial artists, whether real or in this game, there are two seperate forces, Ki and Ch'i... assuming there are any forces at all.
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Well if the borowing coment wasnot ment to be a point just a simple note it's still a fallacy, a red hearing. I have a test on fallacys come monday so I'm pointing it out as a way of studying.
As the mind and body being linked, you would be suprised. Sadly I'm not good with names but one scientist beavles we stor emotions in organs beside the brain. In your example of runing at the point were you stop thinking and reaching your full petental you reached the bodys limit not the minds. The mind power comes into play when your raceing a freind your body gose faster because you want to win.
Also I'm not claiming any side has a monpoloy the japanese don't have a monopolly on the bodys power and china dosen't have one on the minds power. The way martail arts is now neither side will have a monpoly.
As the mind and body being linked, you would be suprised. Sadly I'm not good with names but one scientist beavles we stor emotions in organs beside the brain. In your example of runing at the point were you stop thinking and reaching your full petental you reached the bodys limit not the minds. The mind power comes into play when your raceing a freind your body gose faster because you want to win.
Also I'm not claiming any side has a monpoloy the japanese don't have a monopolly on the bodys power and china dosen't have one on the minds power. The way martail arts is now neither side will have a monpoly.
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huh?
well that is a lot of long comments
well that is a lot of long comments
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We're just complex and intense writers. And HSB's universe is important enough to entail this kind of discussion.
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Blargh. Sorry I haven't been posting in HSB, by the way. I've been a little wiped out, and I think I will be for a while. I'll try and recover, though.
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Well I'm done with argueing, I would like to say I normally don't argue and it's my classes fault but then I'd be lieing.
Any how JC is right on all points but calling them the same. Both arts are incredibly related to each other. As most forms of martial arts are.
Yes the story is going qquite slow but aslong as the three of us are here I think we could pick it up and play the story. Of all the threads I've been in this is the only one that I think can't die. Prehaps the three of us have to much passion for the charaecters in this thread. But in the end if we are here so to will be this thread.
Any how JC is right on all points but calling them the same. Both arts are incredibly related to each other. As most forms of martial arts are.
Yes the story is going qquite slow but aslong as the three of us are here I think we could pick it up and play the story. Of all the threads I've been in this is the only one that I think can't die. Prehaps the three of us have to much passion for the charaecters in this thread. But in the end if we are here so to will be this thread.
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Haha, personally, I'm not worried at all about the thread dying. Though, admittedly, there are certain things I, uh, regret.
Even so, I'm just sorry I've been AWOL for a little while. I dunno if I'll have the gumption to post on HSB tonight, either, but... well, we'll see.
Even so, I'm just sorry I've been AWOL for a little while. I dunno if I'll have the gumption to post on HSB tonight, either, but... well, we'll see.
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Heheheh. Thanks, hun.
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What the hella re you saying I'm pressureing you two to post....... Okay so I lied, and I'm to worried about posting. Like I've said in the other threads take your time and come back the skilled writer you normally are.
I've noticed a decline in my own writeing as of late. Prehaps I am in to many threads.
I've noticed a decline in my own writeing as of late. Prehaps I am in to many threads.
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Okay, I'm going to try and post tonight. Whew. Here goes.
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I've done some thinking about your plans to continue with a second group of students. I don't know whjy but the iea seems more apealing now. I'm asumeing we'd do it in a second thread still for some reason.
Mia would be the main chara and Yakma would try to romance her. Eiji, Touji, Lee, and the otehr would be off in some collage for combat. Maybe come back between their semesters for a big adventure.
I guess the idea really took shape in my had all the suden.
Mia would be the main chara and Yakma would try to romance her. Eiji, Touji, Lee, and the otehr would be off in some collage for combat. Maybe come back between their semesters for a big adventure.
I guess the idea really took shape in my had all the suden.
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I think it'd be better if we kept it in the same thread. I'd rather not do that right away, though... and it may turn out that Tetsuru and Yoshiro aren't going to go to college, depending on what happens at the end of this chapter and in the next...
Bahahaha, but the idea of Mai and Yamanaka being the main characters sounds very cool. ^_^
Bahahaha, but the idea of Mai and Yamanaka being the main characters sounds very cool. ^_^
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I'm sure it's a great distance off. Three chapters atleast.
Collage may be difrent. Infact scratch it all togeather. Tetsuru becomes even richer by poseing for centerfolds in swim suite magazines. Then Tetsuru, Momiji, and Rikku all force Lee to marry them. Lee sadly acepts rather then haveing his ass kicked by three girls. Yoshiro starts a magic shop. Yakma gets Mai over a depressed Milo who had more in comon with Lea based on age. Oh and Touji and Eiji end up in a van down by the river. yes thats what the future holds.
Collage may be difrent. Infact scratch it all togeather. Tetsuru becomes even richer by poseing for centerfolds in swim suite magazines. Then Tetsuru, Momiji, and Rikku all force Lee to marry them. Lee sadly acepts rather then haveing his ass kicked by three girls. Yoshiro starts a magic shop. Yakma gets Mai over a depressed Milo who had more in comon with Lea based on age. Oh and Touji and Eiji end up in a van down by the river. yes thats what the future holds.
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cats said:I'm sure it's a great distance off. Three chapters atleast.
Collage may be difrent. Infact scratch it all togeather. Tetsuru becomes even richer by poseing for centerfolds in swim suite magazines. Then Tetsuru, Momiji, and Rikku all force Lee to marry them. Lee sadly acepts rather then haveing his ass kicked by three girls. Yoshiro starts a magic shop. Yakma gets Mai over a depressed Milo who had more in comon with Lea based on age. Oh and Touji and Eiji end up in a van down by the river. yes thats what the future holds.
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